Jeremy Igo
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There has been some chatter about a possible Josh Norman holdout this year. As someone who has spent a good amount of time speaking with Josh over the past year, I thought I would chime in with my two cents.
Josh has not signed his tender, does that mean he is holding out?
No, it means he has not signed his tender. He has until July 15 to sign.
Why would he not sign his tender?
Signing the tender would all but erase any leverage he currently has in negotiations for a long term contract.
Will Josh miss Offseason Team Activities (OTAs)
Very possible, although the first weeks of OTAs are not mandatory to begin with. The Panthers have had 100% full voluntary participation for several seasons now (except for rookies finishing school who were not permitted to attend). Josh could very well end that streak.
If he misses OTA's, isn't that a holdout?
Technically, no. As Josh has not signed his tender he is not under contract. You cannot holdout from a contract that does not exist.
OK, so when will we know if Josh is holding out?
You will know at the start of training camp. Long time Panthers fans remember the panic surrounding Jon Beason and his brief holdout. It happens.
But hasn't Josh promised not to hold out?
I have heard this said, but I have seen no quotations on him saying it.
It looks like it all stems from this good Jonathan Jones piece in the observer. Jones says...
QuoteNorman put two ideas to rest in the Friday interview. The first is the specter of a training camp holdout if he and the team don’t reach a long-term agreement by July 15. A holdout, he said, would do nothing for his contract situation or his teammates.
but there is no Josh Norman quotation given from what I could find.
So language becomes a big factor here. Did Josh Norman say he had no plans on holding out? Well, plans change. That is not a promise. Did Norman simply say "a holdout would do nothing for my contract situation or my team"? Well, thats not a promise either. That is a really nice PC answer that would not create more tension in contract negotiations between parties.
OK, Igo, enough with the talk. Do you feel Josh will holdout?
Yes, it could happen.
Best case scenario is Josh and the Panthers come to a long term agreement. This is unlikely as they have been worlds apart on numbers starting last season.
Worst case scenerio? No deal is reached, Norman holds out into the season. Again, unlikely as this will hurt both parties involved.
So, what we have here is an old fashioned staring contest, Gettleman vs Norman. You know how competitive and "win at all cost" Josh Norman is on the field, well, that applies to every aspect of his life as well.
Therefore, some sort of holdout into training camp is a definite possibility. I have spoken in depth with Josh over what this next contract means to him. You cannot overstate how important he feels it is, and I can see where he is coming from. I honestly would not blame him for doing anything he can possibly do to land an acceptable long term deal. This is why the business side of football is not televised... it isn't enjoyable to watch.
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5 minutes ago, tiger7_88 said:
I like both picks, but since our 3rd round pick this year is almost (basically) a 4th rounder, I don't see it having enough value to move us up from the second-to-last-pick in the 2nd round to picking in the top four to five picks in the 2nd round.
But if Big Dave can do it, then I'm all for it.
Didn't say it would cost only our third rounder. Possibly more.
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This season with so few holes to fill in creating a Superbowl contending team, Dave Gettleman can concentrate no truly grabbing the best players available for the Panthers scheme.
Without further ado, my Carolina Panthers mock draft rounds 1 - 3.
Round 1
Hunter Henry
TE - Arkansas - 6'5 250
Henry is by far the best tight end in the draft, and he is projected to be selected from the late first round to the early second round. Henry is a complete tight end. What makes Henry too much of a bargain for Gettleman to pass up is his blocking ability. Henry is a monster when it comes to run blocking, something desperately needed at the tight end position. In two tight end sets playing opposite Greg Olsen, suddenly the Panthers have twice as many play choices at their disposal.
This is not to say run blocking is his only skill, Henry had 51 catches in 2015 with zero drops. He can run every route on the field, too big for linebackers to cover and too shifty for defensive ends.
Grabbing this kid now to learn behind Greg Olsen, especially when it comes to work ethic and what it means to be a professional, it is a win - win - win.
Sign him up, Dave.
Round 2
Shaq Lawson
DE - Clemson - 6'3 - 269
What? Shaq Lawson in the second round?
Yep. But not in the late second round. Dave Gettleman will once again trade up, costing the Panthers their third round pick (surprise!). Lawson is the 4th highest rated DE in the draft, and fellow Clemson DE Kevin Dodd will be a first rounder. Lawson will last into the first few selections of round two and Gettleman won't be able to resist. Just like in 2015, he will trade up to grab a player he feels is a first round talent.
Many places are saying Lawson will go to a 3-4 team to play outside linebacker, but they underestimate the creativity of Ron Rivera in placing "hard to define" players in positions to succeed (see Shaq Thompson). Lawson will allow the Panthers to sneak in and disguise some of those 3-4 looks that they are so fond of doing from time to time.
Lawson isn't a huge defensive end, but he is bigger than Charles Johnson as a rookie. In fact, if you read some of the scouting reports positives and negatives, it seems like you could be reading Johnson's bio.
BTW, since Lawson won't be able to be called Shaq on the defense (name is taken), I already have a nice nickname for him.
Law Dog
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24 minutes ago, Riverboat Ron said:Sorry, he'll be gone by the time we pick.
Many people said that in the Shaq Thompson topic last year.
I think it is a given that any player could be gone at any pick. It really doesn't need to be said in every single draft thread.
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Every year around this time I begin to spotlight players I think may fit the mold of a Dave Gettleman draft pick. Last season my first spotlight was Shaq Thompson. Lets see if lightning strikes twice.
Up first...
Kevin Dodd - Defensive End - Clemson
Clemson actually has a couple of defensive end prospects coming out in the draft this year. Only one fits the Dave Gettleman profile. When looking at anyone on the line, I look for size.
Dodd is listed at 6'5 and 275 pounds. This is the physical prototype for a rookie 4-3 defensive end. As good ole Dave says, it takes big men to win games.
Dodd finished the season last year with a sack in the final 5 games of the year. He also put up 3 sacks against Alabama. That tells me he rises to the occasion, an intangible that should not be overlooked.
Dodd is currently projected as a late first round to early second round pick right where the Panthers could grab him. He would not only be the best player available, but fill a huge need as well.
Charles Johnson was nearly invisible this past season, and now his status as a Carolina Panther is up in the air. We have yet to see if the Panthers will keep him around or release him. His large 2016 cap number tells us something will be done with him. Addison, Horton, Delaire, all backups at best. The Panthers need a full time starter opposite rising star Kony Ealy.
The biggest downside to Dodd is his lack of experience, which may be why he drops to the Panthers position in the draft. History tells us that Gettleman won't hesitate to choose a player high on ability but low on experience. You only need to look as far as Kony Ealy to validate that statement.
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3 minutes ago, Bartin said:
I sure think he's got a great chance, but I caution against assuming one great game in a big moment means future dominance. Larry Brown, Ricky Manning Jr, Chris Matthews and Malcolm Smith all come to mind. Not to say it means nothing because Malcolm Butler and Justin Tuck both went on to become stars after big moments in the Super Bowl.
Looking at his entire body of work from the 2015 season is what leads me to believe he is on his way to becoming a stud rather than a MVP-like performance in the Super Bowl, but it is easy to get caught up in the hype since he was our only real bright spot from Sunday.
You read the first line and stopped, huh
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After a Superbowl MVP type performance, there is a major buzz around Panthers defensive end Kony Ealy.
I thought it might be helpful to take a look at the early career stats of the Panthers last two marquee defensive ends, Greg Hardy and Charles Johnson.
Greg Hardy
2010 - 30 tackles, 3 sacks
2011 - 50 tackles, 4 sacks
2012 - 61 tackles, 11 sacks
Charles Johnson
2007 - 2 tackles, 0 sacks
2008 - 25 tackles, 6 sacks
2009 - 25 tackles, 4 sacks
2010 - 62 tackles, 11.5 sacks
Now lets compare with what Kony Ealy has accomplished.
Kony Ealy
2014 - 12 tackles, 4 sacks
2015 - 32 tackles, 5 sacks
It appears Konly Ealy had a nearly identical season, stats wise, as Charles Johnson's second and third seasons. Greg Hardy has more tackles, which is not a shock considering how well Hardy played against the run, lining up at defensive tackle much more frequently than Ealy. Hardy's defensive tackles were Fua and McClain. Ealy's are Star and Kawann. Not exactly the same neighborhood... or universe.
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Looking at the big picture, Kony Ealy's early career performance lands somewhere between Charles Johnson and Greg Hardy, which is not a bad thing to say the least.
Conclusion: Ealy could indeed be set for a breakout season in 2016 with double digit sacks if past trends of Panthers defensive ends continue.
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9 minutes ago, KBRed said:So that's what it feels like to not have a huge gap of no Panther football.
It is nice, isn't it.
Just think, the rest of the NFC South has been in this mode for over a month.
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Here are a few key dates to keep an eye on this offseason as the Carolina Panthers prepare for the 2016 season.
February 22 - Franchise or transition player tags can be designated. Josh Norman relevance here
February 23-29 - NFL Draft Combine. NFL prospects rise and fall depending on their performance.
March 7 - NFL Free agency begins. Starting at noon, teams can contact and enter into contracts with NFL free agents. Don't look for the Panthers to be active on this day, but rather a couple of weeks later.
April 18 - Offseason workouts can begin for the Panthers
April 28-30 - NFL Draft in Chicago
May 6-9 - Rookie Camp. First look at the new guys and many others trying to get a camp invitation
May - June - OTAs. Panthers meet and engage in "no contact" practices. Our first look at the new squad. Exact dates TBD.
Late July - Training camp begins. (exact dates and schedule TBD)
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1 minute ago, Cracka McNasty said:
Point 2 if - Johnson doesn't take a pay cut he's gone. The stuff about his relationship with Richardson is irrelevant considering Gettleman already axed Smitty, who Richardson loved.
Gettleman trims fat and it got us to a super bowl.
That is what I was saying. I think the strong relationship they have is the reason he may get an offer for a cap friendly deal. If not for that relationship, he would be axed immediately.
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1 minute ago, The Huddler said:
How do we know Dave "wont" sign Norman long term?
Everything I have heard from sources indicate they won't.
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Now that the Carolina Panthers offseason has begun, it is time to look ahead to the team's priorities.
1. Josh Norman will receive the franchise tag paying him 14 million. Dave Gettleman won't sign Norman long term, although it could be easily argued Norman has earned it. Instead, he will be franchised for at least one more season. This is not ideal for either party, Norman or the team itself. But, this is sometimes a necessary evil in today's NFL. Yes, Josh Norman gets a nice pay check for a year. The problem for him is he is coming up on 28 years of age and could risk being injured this season. That would mean an unlikely top paying long term contract in 2017. There is a risk here for Norman to lose tens of millions of dollars overall in his career. Keep an eye on this. It is possible Norman could demand a sign and trade to a team that can afford his services long term, like the Oakland Raiders for instance.
2. Shore up the pass rush. Dave Gettleman told us this in so many words at his press conference yesterday. Kony Ealy showed tremendous promise in the Superbowl with a performance on par with the Superbowl MVP Von Miller. Ealy is just now coming into his own, and like Charles Johnson and Greg Hardy, could break out in his third year in the league. Charles Johnson will either be released or will be extended at a very cap friendly deal. Normally I would say Johnson would be released for sure, but his relationship with Panthers owner Jerry Richardson has me second guessing it. There isn't a stronger mutual player/owner respect in the league. Look for the Panthers to make a strong push in free agency for an up and coming player or spend one of their top 2 draft picks on a defensive end. Remember, free agency sets up the draft.
3. Find your future runner. Gettleman told us one of his three pillars of a winning philosophy is running the ball. Jonathan Stewart will likely be retained for one more season, but after that the Panthers currently do not know who their future feature back is. Cameron Artis-Payne saw mixed results during the season, showing an issue holding on to the ball. Brandon Wegher they like, but the fact that he was only active for one game tells me they see him as a long term backup. Does this mean that both have no shot at being a feature back? Of course not, but it does mean that the Panthers will look to minimize the possibility of not having a true feature back in 2017 and even 2016 if Stewart is injured. I can easily see the Panthers signing a quality free agent runner or spending a top 3 pick on a running back.
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Wow, what a season.
This final Along the Sidelines is brought to you in Black and White. Mainly because I feel like it fits the tone of what Panthers Nation is feeling right now. The inevitable Carolina Panthers Superbowl Victory will be brought to you in brilliant color.
Without Further Ado....
Along the Sidelines - Superbowl 50
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16 minutes ago, CRA said:
you should be prepared for that. It will be a heavily slanted Denver crowd.
Denver's fanbase is closer and Denver is going to get a huge chunk of the "corporate" crowd which dominates Super Bowl attendance.
I am not so sure. A good number every year pull for the "cool team". Right now that is the Panthers hands down.
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I like Colorado, in the summer anyways. Fantastic state to visit if you enjoy the outdoors.
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Here is some of my favorite moments from the Panthers media day from social media.
Atta Boy, Bene!
Josh Norman gladly wears a Mexican wrestling mask that a reporter gave to him.
Kid tells Cam Newton he dabs just like him. Cam gives him good advice.
Solid quote from Josh Norman
Luke still sounds like Luke in the locker room after a preseason game. The kid is just as steady as they get .
Broncos kicker gets attention....
and finally, the greatest selfie ever taken.
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Each week I bring to you what fans of the opposition are saying about the game. This week, Denver Bronco fans discuss the Carolina Panthers.
On why the Broncos will win...
Quote1. We're underdogs-Panthers have everything to lose and we don't. We lose to the Panthers we lose to arguably the best team 15-1 All the pressure is on them. I'm already hearing people say it will be another loss like the seahawk superbowl.
2. Team that blows out in opponent in conference championship generally has history of losing the superbowl. 1990 bills blow out Raiders 51-3 lose to giants superbowl
3. 2012 we had the best offense in history playing the best defense in the seahawks. We all know what happened. Fast forward to today, We have the best defense this year and the Panthers have a top scoring offense.
4. Everyone knows this is Probably Peyton's last game....ray Lewis, jerome Bettis affect? I also believe peyton has a great game because he's due and he'll be in warm weather. Thomas and Sanders will have a good game as well. Plus No one Is talking about the offense so I think their due.
5. Seemed like everything fell into place. Peyton comes in the san Diego game at the end looks good and has started ever since. Patriots somehow lose to the Dolphins and we end up with home field throughout. Maybe the NFL is looking for a storybook ending. Cam will have more chances at a Superbowl.
6. I think Vernon Davis steps up his game since he's back in SF again as well as Demarcus Ware for this might be their best shot at a ring.
Just my thoughts. We win 28-17.Six reasons here, not one of them has to do with football. The past, emotion, destiny, etc. If you do your best to come up with six reasons to win and none of them have to do with the skill of the players or the efficiency of scoring points... it won't be a good time for you.
On Josh Norman
QuoteNorman is overrated and honestly very average.
Josh Norman has shut down receivers twice as good as anyone on the Denver roster all season long. I am not sure he is someone you want to throw shade at. He tends to get a bit worked up.
On the Panthers run game...
QuoteWe can cover their recievers, not worried about their run game either. Cam is another animal though. Olsen is a top 3 tight end
Denver has not played a running QB all season, unless you count Andrew Luck. In addition, the Panthers have better rushing games against 3-4 defenses as they have a power run game. Fewer really large men on defense is to the benefit of the Panthers.
Denver should be very, very worried about the run game. If the Panthers can run the ball, the game is all but over.
QuotePanthers are too confident and aren't battle tested. The Broncos have beat better teams too. I want the Panthers believing it's going to be easy. Same way the Cheatriots did.
Not battle tested? This is the third straight year the Panthers are in the playoffs. Also, they had to defeat two teams that are better than the Broncos to get to this point in the postseason.
QuoteWe'll treat Cam like we did Aaron Rodgers.
Yeah, you do that. Rodgers is a pretty athletic guy and runs well to buy time, but Cam will gash you for 30 yards up the middle if you just try to contain the edges.
Here is the bottom line, and all you really need to know. The Denver defense is built to defeat the New England Patriots, and it worked. They have a lot of speed to keep up with the Tom Brady passing attack. The problem is, they are not at all built to play against a big, physical team. The Panthers offense isn't the highest scoring offense in the league due to finesse. They put a helmet on a helmet and physically punish you methodically. Basically the opposite of New England's arena ball offense.
This won't be a close game, folks.
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The Carolina Panthers practice today included a few things of note.
First and foremost, the Panthers stretched and got lose to 2Pac and Dre Dre's "California Love"
Clearly the guys are looking forward to Santa Clara next week.
Ron Rivera broke down the huddle. This week has seen increased focus by the team and coaching staff.
Thomas Davis participated in a few light drills and was then carted off. It was a good sign to at least see Davis get in a bit of activity, however limited.
Jared Allen saw plenty of action. It does appear he is a go for the Superbowl.
Overall is was a sharp practice. Here are a few more photos for your viewing pleasure.
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There have been a great number of music videos sent to us this season, mostly rap or hip hop tunes with a Carolina Panthers flavor.
I came across this unique song this morning, and really thought it was well done. The artist, Patrick Carroll, took the Sweet Carolina victory anthem of the Carolina Panthers and put it through an "Adam Sandleresque" filter.
"Except Atlanta" had me laughing Nicely done Patrick!
You can follow Patrick on twitter or on his YouTube
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6 hours ago, Kevin Greene said:
The competition for field passes/photographers etc must be intense.
To say the least. Press box and such is pretty easy. Being on the field.... a whole different animal.
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Still not sure I going. Hopefully it works out.
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Each week I bring to you the best of what my camera lens finds.
This week, the Carolina Panthers defeat the Arizona Cardinals in convincing fashion to move on to the Superbowl.
This is the largest "Along the Sidelines" I have posted. Stick with it, there is plenty of photography goodness from beginning to end.
Without further ado...
Along the Sidelines - NFC Championship Game
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26 minutes ago, AviationMX said:
Just a reminder of the B/R prediction in April
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2438860-week-3-v-new-orleans-saints/page/17
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This is OUR time, and now the nation knows. A little Dab will do ya
Panther nation- today is your day- leave nothing in the tank tonight
See y'all at 3
Chris and Sherry
Are you under the impression that BR is an actual publication?
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I am pulling for Denver also. Not interested in the media masturbation over another Patriots Superbowl appearance this week.
Plus my oldest brother is in Denver. Should be a fun two weeks of smack.
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A Josh Norman holdout looming?
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Sounds perfectly in line with my OP.