top dawg

I am pretty sure that Sporting Charts does the same thing, so I wouldn't exactly say that PFF is more accurate. It's a subjective opinion. Their drop rates are usually within a few percentage points.

I think that I know what you're saying, but there is a difference between targets and "catchable passes". Doesn't sporting charts only have pros on it? I do believe that they base their drop rate on "catchable" passes also. Sometimes they and others differ on what a "catchable" pass is.

The drops may ultimately just be too high though. I don't know. I guess we will see which way the needle swings according to media reports during workouts.

Oh. OK. I got it now, though still a 4 target discrepancy. Brandt just took the total targets. So I am back to square one. The good thing for Perriman, according to Brandt, is that Perriman apparently didn't drop any passes the last four games, including scorching NCSU. Not saying that this will ultimately matter (only if we draft him), but Gettleman noted several times that one of the things that he looked at with Kelvin Benjamin is how he progressed during the season.

And you still haven't shown me one source, much less a credible one, that questions the kid's football smarts. I have seen scouts question other players' "football IQ" implicitly. I have still yet to see that with Perriman. You can jump the Grand Canyon and make big leaps all you like, I like to base opinions on evidence. Perriman is not unlike other players who have to be taught to be pros in different aspects of the game. Being able to learn is different from can't learn.

Well what the hell is Brandt talking about then?

In case you don't know, knowledge and IQ are not the same thing.

They have knocked him for his work ethic, not his football IQ. Where the fug are you getting your info from?

This drop rate discrepany is maddening. Apparently there is CFF also that came up with a 14% figure, and PFF that came up with the 8 out of 99. I am going with Gil Brandt for the time being.

You're counseling me on making arguments when I contradict your baseless one about Perriman's football smarts? Priceless!

Just to get the record straight, the 8 drops on 99 passes was calculated by Pro Football Focus which should make a lot of people feel better about Perriman. I am pretty sure that the other figure came from some other hack who didn't watch every pass and came up with the number based on what he saw. Anyway, an 8% drop rate is still a little high, but it was less than Kelvin Benjamin's in his championship season.

I was actually referring to KB's last year in college when I mentioned the +9% drop rate.

Loose comparisons can be attributed to just about every receiver, but when you dig a little deeper, then you will start to see the differences. Hill was a vertical-only receiver that looked more like a track star than a football player. His last year was his only claim to fame. Though Perriman had a good last season as well, he also made a good accounting of himself the year before, as well as a little noise his freshman year (while improving every year). Ironically, he is a track star that pays football, but unlike Hill who looks uncomfortable at times, Perriman looks very fluid and athletic. Greg Cosell said that his stature and movements reminds him of Julio Jones, and no one has made any such claim about the more gangling Hill. It's like natural versus forced. That being said, the real similarity unfortunately for Perriman are drops. If you listened to Gil Brandt however, drops were not a problem yesterday.

Even the slightest bit of research disproves a Stephen Hill comparison. Why don't you try comparing their college stats at the very least?

What a stupid and immature response.

And here is Gil Brandt: "Perriman (6-foot-1 3/4, 212 pounds) was clocked between 4.19 and 4.27 seconds in the 40, but the official times being forwarded along to teams are 4.24 and 4.27. He had a 36 1/2-inch vertical jump and a 10-foot-7 broad jump. He did 18 reps of 225 pounds on the bench press. Perriman -- who has 32-inch arms and 9 5/8-inch hands -- caught the ball better than expected during his positional workout. Some people thought that he didn't have very good hands, but you didn't see that today in his workout. He also showed very good change-of-direction skills." http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000481537/article/breshad-perriman-of-ucf-uses-fast-40-to-boost-draft-stock

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-12-20/sports/os-ucf-breshad-perriman-beef-bowl-1221-20121220_1_george-o-leary-herman-moore-brett-perriman

Very little football smarts? Where the hell did you read that? He has a football pedigree.

The more things change, the more they stay the same. It's akin to KB debates all over again.

And yes, he is a natural hands catcher according to reports. A CP comparison is just wrong.

You're way off base. Perriman not only runs better routes (even now), but he has no problem getting separation. He will get separation based on speed alone, just think what he can do once coached up.

To have such a dynamic duo with a play making vet in the slot, or even one of them in the slot, would make for a valid triple threat, not to mention Olsen being left one on one underneath. Man. I can only dream.

I don't know what they showed you, but it wasn't twice as much. Benjamin was over 9% while Perriman was over 12% (closer to 13, maybe). I know that number didn't come from all his plays, just a sample if I am not mistaken.

I can't say that for sure. We will know in a few years at latest, but I always suspected that he was more explosive. I can't remember who it was that convinced me that it was more an illusion due to his level of competition, but I don't believe that there is really any argument that Perriman is flat out more explosive and exciting.

Both being gone is a real possibility. If nothing else, it will make round one that much more interesting, if not just downright suspenseful and tense, for Panthers nation. I know that I am getting ahead of myself, but I wonder if or how our compensatory picks could play into this.