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He is by no means perfect, to me it looks like he is very poor att what he is poor at and very good at what is is good at. I take that over everything good but nothing above good. 

Fit is a question, Young is not at toss it up gunslinger. It is easy to imagine a 1000+ season with a guy like (prime) Wilson or Jake.

6 hours ago, strato said:

Fair enough.

However, the threat of a allowing a quick one if you screw it up, is there? Or is Not there? 

Big effect on the defender. An actual threat needs to exist.

This is the key, average starting corners makes $10M a year (see Jackson, Donte). Unless they regularly gets beat deep, as every talking head will find a pff-type stat "it's a concern he was was best deep three times last season" to sound smart.

We sometimes forget these guys are first and foremost looking out for themselves. And seeing a burner on the other side of the los will make everyone back off a little, regardless of what the coach said about the deep accuracy of the QB. And the cb like just as bad 5 yards behind the receiver even if the qb overshoots him by 10 yards.

He will be fine as a "pick up 4-5 yards"-guy with our new guards, but I for one is very tired of him running straight into the safeties. It is like he runs out of gas after eight yards and stumbles to 11 on his best runs.

We need a homerun threat, if Sanders is not it I'm fine with a high draft pick.

Tens, if not hundreds, millions of dollars goes inte draft evaluation. And even with that half of the first 50 picks busts.

Either everyone is stupid or it is just plain hard.

Our problem is lack of a consistent plan. Campbell can hide a poor pass blocker on the offensive line because if he can maul the plan still works. Making a bad pick looking solid to good.

Tepper got rich in hedge funds, in which cutting your losses and throwing money in another direction can work as long as you get lucky more and when.

Sadly for all our sanity, he still thinks that applies here.

Time to let it good.

There is nothing wrong with the trade with the Bears, we traded for the opportunity to draft a franchise QB and we got it. We just picked the wrong guy.

14 hours ago, electro's horse said:

Sexual harassment in the workplace is literally a federal crime and has been for sixty years. 

Yes, and that did not stop him from commiting the crime for twenty years before he was forced out. And do you seriously think he is the only owner committing it? Yet, he is the only one being forced out.

So the guy was drunk 9 years ago and made a fool if himself. There is nothing to see here, he does not have to run for re-election.

Richardson's crime was never asshole behaviour. It was thinking he was entitled to asshole behavior.

19 hours ago, 0kBoomer said:

He signed a one year deal no?

True, I missed that 2024 was voidable.

He gone 

Chark has a smart agent, all his cap next year is already payed so we save exactly $0 if we cut him.

So he stays, and we hope he can be a decent number four.

20 hours ago, Khyber53 said:

We're eventually going to have to let this go. We need to let a lot of stuff go.

Jon Kasay and one particular kick.

Jake Delhomme's really bad playoff game on his birthday.

Julius Peppers heading to Chicago.

Steve Smith, Sr. whooping a teammate's ass.

Steve Smith, Sr. whooping another teammate's ass.

Maybe a third time.

Steve Smith, Sr. in Baltimore telling us to take our asses back to NC and mow his danged lawn.

The whole Dave Gettleman thing.

We need to let Cam coming back go and remember him for the ascendent talent he was while he was.

We need to let our bad feelings about Teddy Bridgewater, Sam Darnold and Baker Mayfield go... maybe it wasn't them after all.

We need to let go of carrying hate for Matt Rhule and let him spiral off into the cornfields of Nebraska.

We need to let the trades of CMC and DJ go,

We can't hold onto these things. It just hurts ourselves, the fans.

We might, however, have a right to be mad that a know it all Yankee hedge fund guru bought this club and has made a hash of it all so quickly and so decisively.

(Can't just throw all the bitterness away at once I guess.)

I'm so over all that.

But Cotchery caught that **** ball!

This question makes about as much sense as asking if you want a RB awesome running over people up the middle but awful at receiving and making guys miss. Or a vice versa. This might be true in the 5th round but in the 1st you can have both. 

Yes, Campbell is a 10 in leader of men, but he is also an 8 in idiot savant.

As a fellow European. This is actually the first, and possibly only, thing to feel good about for the upcoming season.

And don't worry about the quality of the game, we are starved enough for real football to enjoy a game between this years Panters and the 76 Bucs. Plus the beer helps

1 hour ago, Luuuuuuuuuuke59 said:

In order of desirability for potential head coaches:

1. Chargers

2. Patriots

3. Seahawks

4. Commanders

5. Raiders 

6. Titans

7.  Falcons

8. Alabama

9. Memphis Showboats

10. Weddington High School

11. Panthers

Hey, I hear the ESU Timberwolves are out there looking at well!

Sadly he was overdrafted as a wildcat qb, before everybody learned wildcat doesn't work.

Imagine had he entered NFL today as a late pick, with no expectations, to a team with a creative OC. There is no reason not to think he would have had a solid NFL career as a gadget option.

Tag him and trade at the deadline, something contender will be desperate and give us at least a second.

4 hours ago, jb2288 said:

Everything in the NFL is luck. One thing about Tepper I like is he will lean into a sunk cost. I’d say more than 50% of the owners would have given Reich another year. I remember how we all on here knew Rhule was trash early into season 2 yet he got a third year where Tepper had to do a mid season firing. He learned his lesson there at least 

Yes, but the problem is he learned it to well and overcompensate in the other direction.

Most people will, if possible, avoid places with that kind of irrational behavior in the management.

He had shown he is worth one more year, especially considering we really have no option. Worst case we ride him to the first pick in the 2025 draft.

I don't understand the "let him walk and give the money to DB/Luvu"

The tag is $20M. He is easily worth that, and it is no problem at all to sign all three. What else are we going to do with the money, it is not like we have a bunch of stars om rookie deal coming up soon.

For the long term, the question is not "is he worth $30M" (he is not given today's play). The question is "can we get better value for $30M free agency". Sadly, nothing suggests that we can.

For reference that we can afford all three, these contact come off the books and cap is increasing. (Even with Fitt pushing a lot of cap for mediocre played to 2024).

Dead Money

2 hours ago, Stuart Smith said:

Why is Brown not up there? 

PFF is all about consistency performing the, assumed, assignment.

Get pushed back 5 yards 3 times followed by splash play killing the guard and a tackle for 4 yards loss (usually ending the drive) grades worse than standing your ground with no tackles.

Brown is a drive ender that lacks a little in consistency.

4 minutes ago, 4Corners said:

Worst trade in team history 

The trade was fine. We got the chance to pick a franchise QB for two firsts and Moore. Anyone needing one would take that.

The pick however...

We can afford all three, sign long term deals for burns and luvu. After short I am a little hesitant to heavy physical freaks. Money does things to guys and it must be a lot of work keeping that body in playing condition. Will he really keep doing it.

23 hours ago, Paa Langfart said:

Someday soon the Panthers won't exist anymore, and THAT will be a shame.

So you think Teppers play is to do a Major League and move the team to Miami. In that case he has actually been brilliant.

18 hours ago, BrianS said:

You're wrong on multiple counts. 

Cam was toast and needed to go.  We didn't handle it well, at all, but the decision was the right one.  The potential compensatory pick for Cam is a flea on the a^# of the issue.

Bridgewater had a three year contract.  He should have been here for all of it.  How much did we sacrifice for deciding Bridgewater wasn't our guy after one year?  The mistake wasn't signing Bridgewater, though perhaps we overpaid a bit, the mistake was getting rid of him. 

How many draft picks did we surrender by cutting TB5?  How many players did we then get rid of because of it?  How much dead cap did we incur?  It was an absolutely horror show, and it all goes back to our owner not being patient.  Make no mistake, our owner drove the QB frenzy train.

 

We lost the third round comp pick for Bradbury by signing Teddy. That's the real cost, not the cash.

But are real problem is drafting.

If I claim we drafted 0 above average starts since 2021, can anyone real argue? Sure, Horn if he was ever healthy but other then him? Heck, I can change it to 0 average starters and, expect maybe Ikem, it still holds up.

This kind of representation is a very good way to prove a point that might not be there. If you show the entire axle 0 to 100% you can see that the difference between worst and first is surprisingly small.

Just check the raw numbers, even for the fastest and very well scheme Miami offense 6 throws in 10 is NOT open.

Yes our receivers are awful, but if you cannot hack throwing mediocre receivers open you will not have success in this league.

13 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

Board's gonna be swimming in Pokemon jokes if he plays, isn't it?

No, we have evolved from that kind of behaviour