MasterAwesome

5 minutes ago, Wes21 said:

The numbers are not that far off between the two.  The real difference is that New York completed fuged themselves and it was an unspeakable hell, so now when they get their numbers down closer to Florida they look like frickin heros. 

I think I’m starting to understand the disconnect now. Whenever I use the term “trends” and reference NY, you seem to take that as me handing them a shiny gold “Most Improved” trophy. That’s not what this is about...this isn’t some feel-good Disney Channel “Worst to First” redemption story. I couldn’t care less if we’re talking about NYC going from 10,000 -> 500 daily cases vs. some middle-of-nowhere town in South Dakota going from 10 -> 3 daily cases. All I want to see are promising declining trends which indicate that a city or state is getting this virus under control. As of now, NY is exhibiting that trend. Florida? Not so much.

37 minutes ago, Wes21 said:

You say I'm using a strawman but then use a strawman. LOL

Okay, here are the recent numbers I'm finding on the interwebz from June 12th thru June 26th comparing deaths in New York vs Florida.  Please tell me how these numbers are so significantly different from eachother, and why these numbers mean Florida is a raging hell hole while NYC "basically is COVID free" as I saw one poster put it.

6/12 - 83 vs 30

6/13 - 50 vs 47

6/14 - 37 vs 6

6/15 - 41 vs 7

6/16 - 46 vs 55

6/17 - 48 vs 25

6/18 - 46 vs 43

6/19 - 67 vs 43

6/20 - 15 vs 40

6/21 - 41 vs 17

6/22 - 53 vs 12

6/23 - 46 vs 64

6/24 - 32 vs 45

6/25 - 27 vs 44

6/26 - 48 vs 37

Yeah, strawmen are annoying and weasly right? So how about you not go down that road next time. Don’t play dirty and expect me not to get in the mud with you if that’s how you want to play it.

The operative word in all of my posts has been “trends”...everything you’ve posted thus far demonstrates to me that you have no clue what trends are, and I’m not gonna help you with something that you can google on your own time. I’ve repeatedly stated that NY is trending in the right direction, Florida however is not.

So you went from arguing a strawman to now making me argue someone else’s claim about NY being COVID-free. Jesus, how about you just clue me in on what exactly you would like me to argue cause I can’t keep up with your ever changing version of it.

Man, I gotta say....I've heard so many ridiculous rants lately about how masks are depriving people of oxygen, which I originally dismissed as ignorant babbling...but based on these responses I'm having to deal with in here, a lack of oxygen to the brain would actually explain a lot.

5 minutes ago, Wes21 said:

So what you are saying is that Florida should have completely screwed the pooch right out of the gates like New York, that way the current numbers would be down instead of up?  That's the point you were making?

I mean sure...if that's an easier strawman for you to argue against, we can pretend that.

But I'm sorry...my attention is invested towards preventing the deaths of more American lives going forward.  So go ahead and sit here and thump your chest about absolute numbers and how Florida is doing such a great job cause they have less total deaths while I'll continue to monitor present trends...since those are a tad bit more relevant than citing statistics from months ago.

You are sounding even more nonsensical than the other guy.

24 minutes ago, 45catfan said:

He was engaging in pretzel logic and managed to get himself all twisted up.  He may restate it after he figures out how to untangle himself.   Apply WD-40 and a shoe horn. 

 

If me explaining your logic doesn't make sense to you, then that's an indictment on your logic bro lol.  But sure, wear it proudly like a badge of honor!

37 minutes ago, Wes21 said:

Is it possible for you to restate this?  It didn't make sense to me.

Someone said Florida has more recent cases than all of Europe.  His reply was pointing out that NYC has had more deaths to date than the entire state of Florida.  While factually true...that's clearly sensationalism, not reflective of the trajectories of NYC vs. Florida, which are trending in complete opposite directions.  Then he goes on to complain that the media emphasizes TOTAL cases rather than ACTIVE cases, because they are so sensationalist and just want headlines.  He's doing the exact same thing cause it supports his agenda.

*Active cases are way more relevant than total cases*...just like *CURRENT death rates are way more relevant than TOTAL deaths*.  Hint: Florida has had more than twice as many deaths as NYC in the past week, and the gap between the two is only going to continue to grow.  

2 hours ago, 45catfan said:

And less deaths in the entire state of Florida than NYC alone.

1 hour ago, 45catfan said:

It's amazing the number of outlets where you can easily find accumulative case counts and number of deaths, but you have to really dig to find the number of recovered cases.    Secondly, you would think total case count (while important) would be secondary to the active case count.  But, you know, that doesn't drive headlines and fear mongering.

Lol so you engage in sensationalism nonsense using the total death count of NYC vs. Florida instead of recent trends and then 2 posts later cry about the media being sensationalist by using the total cases instead of active ones. Way to drive some headlines there...sounds like you might have a future in mainstream media after all.

11 minutes ago, SheepWearMasks said:

Oh, I know what to believe. I have two things for you.

April 8th 2020 - New York reports 779 more deaths ... the same day the Dow gains 779 points

Then more recently ..

June 10th 2020 - NASCAR bans Confederate Flag then the day after (June 11th 2020) the Dow plunges 1861 points ..

1861 .. like the Civil War .. the day after the most watched sport in America (NASCAR) bans Confederate Flag

lol

Its a rigged system my friend

 

Trump is the 45th president. 4 + 5 = 9, which is the number of lives of a cat.  CAT backwards = TAC.  TAC = Tasmanian Aboriginal Centre, which is in Australia. Anagram of Australia = Ultra Asia.

Ultra Asia? Umm if you STILL don't believe Coronavirus was artificially created and leaked deliberately by China in order to eradicate most of the global population so that they could emerge as the leading superpower, secret cure in hand, then WAKE...UP...SHEEPLE! Ultra Asia is right around the corner and you mask-wearing idiots are too stupid to see it!

The same people faux-outraged and clutching their pearls at Dr. Fauci initially misleading the public about the efficacy of masks are the same people who have never worn masks since day 1 and still refuse to wear masks under the guise of "muh libertiessss".  They now just have a convenient excuse to try and justify the action (or inaction) that they had already committed to.

9 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

A huge downside from all the large gatherings to protest will be a major spike in COVID cases over the next two weeks.

Enormous gatherings of people in every major city standing shoulder-to-shoulder screaming at the top of their lungs in the midst of an incredibly contagious respiratory viral pandemic...what’s the worst that could happen?

I wholeheartedly support the protests and I can’t think of a better cause than fighting injustice, but damn if these protests aren’t damn near optimal conditions for the spread of the virus...

27 minutes ago, Wes21 said:

They got it from the grocery store, or the curbside takeout, or the Amazon delivery.

Okay sure...that doesn’t change anything. Let’s be as charitable as possible and say the grocery store is ground zero for every recent infection in the country. What percentage of those infections do you think we’d see if everyone was wearing a mask and properly sanitized their items before use? 
 

Still boils down to people not taking the necessary precautions...i.e. not taking this seriously.

1 hour ago, 45catfan said:

That's the thing, people are much more likely to catch it from family than say spending 20 minutes in the grocery store.  Folks tend to let their guard down around people they know well such as family members, not to mention spend longer periods of time with them.  We were going to go to my in-laws over Mother's Day, but since they are getting up there in age, decided against it.  Chatted on Zoom with them instead.

And where did their family member get it from?  That was always the concern...going out, contracting the Coronavirus, then coming back to their home and infecting their family members.  That's why this issue is so delicate and why half-measures don't cut it...you could have a mother, father, and daughter staying home during the lockdown and still getting infected cause the teenage son isn't taking it seriously and opting to sneak out with his neighborhood buddies.  Boom...all of their families are infected now.

I think we should just draft JStro or DGreeBe.

Why are people concerned about Ealy not getting much push at DT? Guards are among the strongest players in the NFL, I wouldn't expect a 270 pound DE to be able to get push on a straight bull rush against a guard. Ealy's success at DT comes from his explosiveness and being able to get around the guard BEFORE they can put their hands on him...he's not going to be able to straight up overpower a guard who has the strength to hold off 300+ pound DTs.

Unless I'm misinterpreting what you mean by Ealy not getting much "push"..."push" to me sounds like a straight 1 on 1 bullrush-type situation. Hardy can get push on guards cause he has almost 20 pounds on Ealy and is more of a power-rusher (compared to Ealy I mean...Hardy can really do it all). Ealy's strength is not his....well, strength; he's a finesse rusher.

With that logic, this game isn't a must win either.

Well of course it's not a true must-win game since we could go 1-3 and win 12 straight and make the playoffs.  It's not MY logic...it's a fact.  I would say we definitely should win this game if we want a realistic chance at the playoffs...the Cardinals are one of the weaker teams we play on the schedule for the remainder of the season.

All I'm saying is to think every single game of the season is a "must-win" is extremely naive.  The fact that there have only been 3 or 4 undefeated teams in the regular season in NFL history proves that.  Every team loses games, it's just about winning enough of them to make it into the playoffs.

I think your statement must not have been intended literally, whereas I'm taking it as literal.  Otherwise I'm not sure I follow your logic that every game is a must-win.  There are only what...5 undefeated teams right now?  So at least 7 teams who already have 1 or more losses will be making the playoffs.  I feel stupid having to actually type this stuff out since it's common sense, but I'm trying to clear it up from my side.

If all games are must-win, then does that mean our season is over? Our team should be VIEWING every game as a must-win, but if every game really is a must-win then the Playoffs would be full of 16-0 teams . That's my Captain Obvious statement of the day...but I don't understand when people say every game is a "must-win". Our team sure as hell needs that mentality though...

Is Tori Mobley presumed to make it?  Did he look decent in preseason?  I thought he was basically just a camp body but we really have like ZERO depth at o-line if he gets cut too...I think one extra guard and one extra tackle.