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6 minutes ago, KatsAzz said:

I was really wanting Sewell and we came close but getting a much needed ,top notch CB like Jaycee Horn was not all that bad.

There should be some good offensive lineman we can draft in the 2nd Rd that will complement our 1st Rd pick.

Yeah, take JC was a start. We still have 7 picks. This is going to be guuud.

Folks raging like the draft is over, and all we got was JC. Man, I love this joint.

5 minutes ago, Shocker said:

He was amazingly average...I think he will be very average and be a league leader in penalties.  At 8 he is not an impact player.

4 minutes ago, CRA said:

I’ve loved every Gamecock we have acquired in the past.   And defended many of them vs the huddle mob.   I’m a Panther fan.  I don’t give a poo where players come from.  I hate Ohio St.  I lobbied for Fields. .    

I watch a poo ton of Gameock football.  I married one.   My family packs into Willy B on Saturdays.  I even catch some when the games are suppose to be decent because I just like football.  

Not liking Horn at 8 given the options...has little to do with his uniform in college.   I can tell you Gamecocks right now that aren’t even talked about....that are going to be good players coming up shortly.  Pending they stay. 
 

 

You both have your biases. I respect it. But I don't have the energy to argue your lack of evaluation ability.

We needed CB, and we got one of the best. Sorry you cannot be happy.

4 minutes ago, Shocker said:

Watch any SC game last year.  This guy os pretty much invisible.  No impact.  None.  Again, our new GM doesn’t understand impact on winning...not sure anyone does.

How many of his games did you actually watch last year? JC is a top rated CB. We needed one, we got one. Yea us.

The QB folks are mad we didn't take a QB.

The OT folks are mad we didn't take an OT.

The rest of us are happy we got one of the best CB on the board. At a position, in our Division, of extreme need.

But man, this thread was gold. Gold I tell ya.

2 minutes ago, CRA said:

Maybe.  But we ain’t got the bodies to run a lot of press man right now.  

my reaction to the pick is what we are now. 

Dude, your reaction is typical Clempsun bs. Just because JC played at USC you claim he is not any good. He was the highest rated CB coming in. Just go with it, and maybe do some homework. And not go off your bias.

4 minutes ago, Happy Panther said:

Somehow we take Jimmy Clausen at #8

BANT

3 minutes ago, run-run-pass-punt said:

No.

The draft is always an unknown. So why would I be upset about something that could be either a positive or a negative?

And the universe loves me, so good or bad for the Panthers, it's always good for me.

Oh shut the heck up. Or go be transcendental elsewhere. lol

Rage? Any number of stupid things could make me rage. But quit? I have way to much invested in this here bi... to actually quit.

5 minutes ago, Proudiddy said:

I agree for the most part.  Who knows?  We could pick a generational player in the 3rd or 4th round.  Maybe 6th.  Which is why I say Rhule better be the coach he contends he is...  because what it did cost us was leverage potential assets.  That's all I'm saying.  This isn't panic, this isn't whining...  I was simply pointing out how costly that win was.  That's all.

If everyone agreed up in here, it wouldn't be nearly as much fun. There is just something about folks blaming that WFT win for us not getting a premo pick that gets to me.

To me, one win here or there is not going to change our franchises trajectory much. If at all.

I guess after 70 years of marriage, I am picky upon which hill I wish to die. And a meaningless win late in the year is not much of a hill to me.

7 minutes ago, Proudiddy said:

Scrub nuts?  Nice.

An alternative would've been starting Grier.  If he wins, that game is a lot more palatable and tolerable.  Going there with a proven loser who just happened to avoid just enough of his usual horrible mistakes to win a game that only hurt us cost us far more than we gained.

What did we lose? We are picking at 8. We are going to get a really good player. 

Treating the win at WFT like it cost us a generational type player is funny to me. We are not going to fall off the end of the world picking at 8 instead of 4.

23 minutes ago, Proudiddy said:

Yes, because we still were in contention at that point and Teddy hadn't shown how horribly inept he was at that point.  At Washington, the season was over, qe were out of contention, most everyone was already over Teddy and ready to move on, and we literally had nothing to gain by winning that.

 What about that LIon win? That made us 4-7. We were out of it by then. Why is it always the WFT win?

Recency bias. It was our last win. So it was a stupid win.

3 hours ago, Proudiddy said:

Whatever they do, it's gonna screw us.  With them taking whoever they get, and the Falcons taking Lance that win against Washington really fuged us.  No matter what we get at 8, both of them got better and did so ahead of us.

This will really be the test of how good of a coach Rhule is.

How come nobody complains about that pesky 3 game win streak when they harp on that WFT win? Are they somehow different?

1 minute ago, Jon Snow said:

It's going to get ugly no matter who we select.  I expect to add a few more trolls to my ignore list tonight while laughing my ass off the entire time.

 

I have never put anyone on ignore. I grew up believing that everyone has a voice. No matter how stupid it may be.

I am stocked and ready to go. I just can't decide when to start. Start too early, and I can sound like any other idiot. Start too late, and I won't have nearly as much fun. 

Decisions, decisions.

13 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

Oh I'm well stocked.  I'm prepared to have lots of laughs tonight at the overreacting that will take place on this board.

Not going to lie. It will be bad at 8. But man, if we trade down, the drunken raves will be epic by the time we pick.

Just glad I have no life, cuz I wouldn't miss tonight for nothing.

12 minutes ago, Panthers Rhule said:

Absolutely. We all saw it time and time again. It was a combination of things.

 

For the record, I definitely want us being better than 5-11 every season but considering our circumstances last season i.e. completely rookie staff, bad roster, covid protocols etc., I wouldn't call that season abysmal as we were much better than I e3xpected us to be all things considered. 

 

100% agree. I think that's what the point of the discussion is really about. We all agree we need to fix both things but the question is it which order in the draft? Can we improve LT more at 39 than what we have at CB at 39? Are the added picks worth any difference between what we think to be available? It's about total value. Elie LT + good CB or Shut Down CB + good LT + good WR/TE and maybe a pick in 2022.

 

Yea, abysmal may have been a tad harsh. How about extremely frustrating?

I would think that if we pass on Fields, Sewel, or Slater at 8, then it is probably a CB at say 15ish. Then LT at 39. Not saying that is what I want, cuz normally I don't get what I want. But this may be how things work out.

Normally I would go ahead and take the QB, or franchise type LT at 8. But this year is different. I may just go with the trade back and grab more assets. 

Unless they some how mess this up. Then it wasn't my idea.

9 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

I am not that high on any of them but the hope is that perhaps they can be at worst a solid #2 CB. 

Horn, Sertain, Sewel, and Slater have the best shot at succeeding. However, there are others who have a chance as well. Just a longer shot to do so.

If you can get one of those 4, you good. For me it is trade back for Horn, and then LT. I should hope to come out of that with 2 top shelf starters. And still have draft capital to still make some noise.

2 minutes ago, Panthers Rhule said:

Does it? I'm not saying that you're wrong but how much of that can we absolutely put of the offensive line? Surely some of it. Not being able to push it in on the goal line for example. But I'd also say a lot of it was not have a legitimate red zone threat coupled with a conservative QB who wasn't able to "put it in there" or "run it in there". 

That short yardage package was no where near a thing of beauty, that's for sure. And it definitely played a role in our lack of point production. 

IMO, I would put it on a par with our Defenses inability to get off the field as equal partners in our abysmal 5-11 record.

Fix one and we are better. Fix both and we can be competitive. 

8 minutes ago, 45catfan said:

One will be there, likely Horn.  I think this is the reason we are trying to trade down because the value isn't there at #8, but a team may want to move up for a player with that #8 value.  That way we get the corner at the correct value (not reaching) and gain some additional draft capital as well.

I think the trade down has gained some speed lately. Getting extra draft capital would help this team out tremendously. 

The 2 nickles over 1 dime paradigm.

9 minutes ago, Captain Morgan said:

 

after the pc last week, I feel CB is very much on our mind in the first.  I think Surtain and Horn are the targets, and one of the two could be there at 15.  It's a gamble.  

I'd take Newsome in the late first, and would move up to get him if we get enough capital in the trade and get a LT at 15.  

I wouldn't be surprise if Parsons wasn't even on our board but I haven't heard that.

 

 

Man, how many options are in front of us? Sewel, Fields, Horn, Chase, or that other guy. I'm downright giddy with anticipation.

8 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/catcrave.com/2021/04/18/carolina-panthers-washington-perfect-trade-partner/amp/
 

This site has it as a 4th... kind of lame.

If it's a 4th, they are out of the running. Step up, or step back.

2 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

Me too.  If I can't have Sewell, I want 3 starters and enough 2022 picks to make Darnold free.

 Not that's a haul. lol

I would druther have lost out on Fields. We can get a capable LT early in the 2nd.

2 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

Me too.  Funny, when I do mocks, I trade and end up selecting 14 stud players and getting a full 2022 draft.  I sent them to Tep.  Let's see if I get offered a job.

 

It's nice to have a dream. But, trust me. You don't want to put all your eggs in that one basket.

10 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

Yes--I am sure we have rated these players.  I would give players point values that include need and position value as well as draft spot.

Screw the Draft Chart. I want a haul. I deserve a haul. I want to fleece somebody. If I am giving up the 8th pick, I want somebody to pay big time.

4 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

2022 1st plus some 

Man, that's the rub. What does "plus some" come to? Is an extra 2nd, and 3rd enough? Maybe the further we fall, the more it should cost?

I want to be greedy. lol

IMO, it all comes down to compensation. I ain't movin back for peanuts. You make me happy, and away we go. 

The right haul gives us the opportunity at half a dozen good to great players. I think I can live with that.