CPantherKing

On 1/17/2024 at 4:35 PM, CamTheMan said:

In fairness to him (kind of), he was at best a WR3 or WR4 serving as a WR1 and was injured. He definitely sucks but the fact the WR core consisted of Devin Funchess, Russell Shephard, Brenton Bersin, Kaelin Clay, and Damiere Byrd… IN A PLAYOFF GAME… shows how god damn awful Gettleman was (and how good cam was).

The year was 2017.

My boards told us to draft Jarvis Landry (2014) & Martavis Bryant (2014) instead of Kelvin Benjamin & Kony Ealy. Chris Conley (2015), Stefon Diggs (2015) & Josh Robinson (2015) instead of using 3 picks on Funchess. Hunter Henry (2016) & Austin Hooper (Hooper) instead of Vernon Davis. CMC (2017) & Cooper Kupp (2017) over Curtis Samuel.

I was always looking to get 2 receiving threats for Cam every year until he had 5 good playmaking/route running/good hands targets to get 85% of the targets like Greg Olsen & Steve Smith. Big targets like Benjamin & Funchess were never the answer.

Would have been CMC, Stefon Diggs, Jarvis Landry, Cooper Kupp, Greg Olsen & Hunter Henry in 2017 if I had my way. Jonathan Stewart, Chris Conley, Martavis Bryant & Austin Hooper would have found themselves sharing 10% of the targets in 2017.

On 1/19/2024 at 8:32 PM, Castavar said:

We really did man. Protecting him with the likes of Byron Bell and Nate Chandler , drafting him slow ass receivers, pairing him with dumbass Shula, etc. We wasted such a generational talent. In a way, it's kind of poetic that we missed on Stroud, because we would have just ruined him like we did Cam.

Hurney protected Cam with Jordan Gross, Travelle Wharton, Ryan Kalil, Geoff Hangartner & Jeff Otah in year 1. Bell was a rookie backup in 2011 who was forced to start due to Otah not being able to stay healthy. Hurney had an OL in place to build from, but he was fired a year and a half into what turned out to be a foundation for a SB roster because it went 1-4 to open the season.

Hurney expected Beane to replace him, but that's when it all went off the rails & we rode out 4 seasons of roster building mediocrity on the back of Hurney's team. That mediocrity led to Tepper, Rhule & Fitterer as the final wrecking ball.

3 minutes ago, top dawg said:

This was his first full season as the starter. You're nuts!

Careers are short in the pro game. You don't get past 5 seasons as a starter playing like that in the clutch moments of a game. Reality. Not many chances in the NFL. Can never have your QB do that if you want to win a championship. That's why Purdy is the QB & not Jimmy G or Sam Darnold.

1 minute ago, LinvilleGorge said:

There was zero chance of that ball being completed. You just have to chuck that into the stands and go to 2nd down.

Yep. Horrible QB brain there. Panic set in.

1 minute ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

Jordan Love your time is up!

A QB who makes a reactionary decision like that in a clutch moment is never going to win a championship 

Wilks & CMC are pieces to a championship team. Tossed out the wrong ones.

Jordan Love is not it

Can Wilks defense seal the win?

Just now, Hoenheim said:

oh poo. They scored too fast!!!!!!!!!!! green bay has a minute and 3 time outs left!!

Do you think Love is Montana/Purdy like?

CMC, Conley & Purdy on that drive... wanted to draft all of them as Panthers. We had 1 of them.

Purdy with a drive saving pass

Oh no Kittle

49ers planning on this being their final drive

Receiver didn't know which route to run. He would have been open.

12 minutes ago, Hoenheim said:

Something that amazes me is how insanely open these Packers WRs are. I saw the same phenomenon on some of the plays with with the Texans in the regular season.

Seeing the Panthers struggle so much with separation and seeing other teams have dudes almost all alone on a section on the field makes me blame the offensive scheme a LOT. Theres not THAT much of a difference in separation just from raw speed alone. 

Its LaFleur & Stenavich. They come from the offensive philosophy of Shannahan & McVay. Rooted in Bill Walsh.

It's all footwork & timing. Receivers are choreographed to break into a defense's openings based on film & tendencies. Up to the QB to hit that back foot & hitch while trusting the receiver will be open at the exact time the coach has designed it.

This is why QBs like Montana, Gannon & Cousins replace DeBerg, George & Griffin.

1 minute ago, LinvilleGorge said:

He's just not very good IMO. Very much a game manager surrounded by ELITE offensive weapons in a very good offensive system.

It's just funny because the moved on from Goff to go all in on Lance and Purdy is basically a poor man's Goff.

Goff? You mean Jimmy G?

Officials allowed the Packera to injure Samuel with unnecessary roughness?

How many times do they have to blow the whistle, wave their arms & spot the ball before they throw the flag?

Dan Morgan has made this team look like his failed pizza business

Texans defense is getting in Lamar's head. That's not a good sign for the late 4Q for Ravens if it's a close game

Just now, BY9Franchise said:

Lamar is gonna choke this one away

We'll see. It's likely given his past & his weaknesses, but Lamar is primed to be the next QB to win a SB for the first time. He's going to need to keep his calm & focus to be ready to win the game at the end. Desperation & panic are what Lamar needs to avoid.

CJ Stroud to Garrett Wilson would have been welcome as Panthers with CMC & Moore working with them.

Instead, we get Bryce Young protected by Ikem Ekwonu with CMC & Moore traded away.

I wouldn't have made the trade for a QB, but if the Panthers did I identified the only 2 options.

1. Trade for Lamar Jackson who is the most primed QB per NFL history/data to win his first SB.

2. Draft CJ Stroud if you must take a 1st round rookie.

The best scenario I suggested 2022 offseason was to draft a #1 WR & TE to pair with CMC & Moore, draft 2 on the OL day 3 & load up on 3-4 young QBs to go for the 1999 Rams model moon shot. Garrett Wilson was that WR with true leadership. My top 2 TEs were Jelani Woods & Jake Ferguson. QBs were Purdy, Ridder, Glass & Coan. The OL additions were Zach Tom & Jamaree Salyer. Add Michael Mayer in 2023 (Jack Coan's other college TE)

Purdy, CMC, Wilson, Moore, Ferguson, Mayer, Tom, Christensen, Bozeman, Corbett, Moton would likely be the Panthers starting offense now.

I would have used the draft capital spent on Bryce Young to strengthen the defense.

The smart move would be to keep Bozeman, move Ekwonu to guard next to Moton with Christensen & Corbett on the left side. Better blindside pass blocking & a power running right side of the OL. Easier running audibles to kill a pass play & get leverage on the blitz. Need an offensive coaching staff that will go with a power running game.

1 hour ago, Brooklyn 3.0 said:

So what you're saying is that a hypothetical team with CMC, DJ Moore, Baker Mayfield, Steve Wilks, and Joe Brady could be half way decent?

A playoff coach & roster has always been a possibility over the past 2 seasons. Teppers & Fitterer just kept making the bad choices & firing/trading the wrong people, or holding on to them too long like Rhule, Robbie Anderson & Brian Burns.

1 hour ago, CPF4LIFE said:

Seriously, we gotta talk about how the packers just replace great qb with great qb every 10 plus years. Its really not fair. Lol

I have explained this. QB is not hard to find when you know how to identify necessary NFL qualities & pair them with the skill position players that do the work & act as an extension of the QB. Walsh taught what he learned from the 60s. The current Packers GM learned this from the Holmgren/Wolf era. Both Holmgren & Wolf learned from Walsh early in their careers on how to build a team.

All of these coaches & GMs from the path Walsh traveled are not simply getting lucky 80% of the time.