CPantherKing

Top 20 starters? What division would he be the 3rd best QB in? Bryce Young, Caleb Williams, Daniel Jones, Kyler Murray, Trevor Lawrence, Drake Maye, DeShaun Watson, and Gardner Minshew are the bottom of the league starters for their divisions to start 2024. Young is better than Minshew. Young is easily 30 at best. There will be rookie QBs better than Young in 2025. Young is trying to edge out back up QBs in 2025 like Cooper Rush, Jameis Winston, and Andy Dalton. Can you give me a key area of a QBs game that he has at least established consistency - nevermind improvement relative to the league? TO% over a few games is all I see, and that will have to be greater over the course of 10+ games to matter.

Don't point out his 3rd down splits, 1st down passing production, redzone efficiency, passer rating, opening drives and clutch 4th down drives. I'm learning about these new stat categories of 'moral victory drives', 'dealing touches', and 'improvement rating'. Can you help me find these categories and where Bryce ranks? I feel we're in for at least 2 more 3 to 5 win seasons of this stan riding at the QB position. Apparently everyone is holding an "improving" Young back, and apparently the common factor of Young isn't holding everyone else back.

Thielen ran an amazing route to be open on 4th down. Young throws it late, short and behind on a drag route. Ekwonu with an illegal block. Then we also have XL with a huge drop. All 1st round offensive picks cost the Panthers in the clutch. The old undrafted free agent is the only clutch player of the bunch. Disappointing to say the least. How many 5 win or less seasons do you need until you realize Young & Ekwonu are huge 1st round disappointments? Canales' offense is getting receivers open. Need a QB, RB, and LT who can consistently win in the clutch. Add WR to the list when Thielen is gone.

Eagles game plan has been to run clock, pressure Young to make mistakes, and pass on Evero's soft 34 umbrella with come back routes/Hurts runs. Eagles have full control of this game. Challenging Young to win consistently

Ugly offense in the clutch. Young will get another chance, but who has hope he'll show signs of being a franchise QB and not a game managing place holder?

I think you mean getting a ball tipped at line and air mailing an INT for a huge mistake. That's 11% of his completions. Hurts has the better passer efficiency in this game so far. Where is this "dealing" metric?

Seeing Young followed by Hurts, you can see what a championship game QB v a pick up game QB looks like. As long as Young is having fun and smiling, too many Panthers fans are going to celebrate and settle.

They're suppose to

Was a TD, but the call stands without conclusive camera angle

Young still cant look off a safety? He just keeps reverting to a college QB Flash with zero consistency on pro QB fundamentals and responsibilities.

You'd do the same if you were aware of Young's inability to get 1st downs, horrible 3rd down efficiency, and bottom of the league passer rating. Flash will never make a franchise QB. Consistency, clutch & control are the priority for an NFL QB. Young's key stats can't be debated.

Drafting projects in the 1st 3 rounds will never be acceptable to me. Flashbacks to the Biakabatuka project

Hospital floater. Didn't look off safety. This isn't college

Young can't beat the DL on naked bootlegs

You're correct. He shows flashes. Maybe 1 play every 4 to 5 drives. If you were a coaching staff facing a QB who only passes for a TD on 15% of their drives, completes less than 60% of his passes, and has a redzone TD% of less than 25% while getting to the redzone 30% of their drives, what's your game plan?

We need a column for moral victories on the stat sheet. Packers and Chiefs. Bucs last year and this year. Maybe next season Young can pull out 5 wins & 5 more moral victories.

How many clutch chances did he have in this game? How many short fields? How many drives did he come up clutch? How many passes did he deliver to keep those drives alive? Clutch drives are opening drive, 2 minute drive at half, opening drive in 3Q, comeback drives in 4Q, 4 minute drive to close out a lead in 4Q, short field drives on TO, and GWD. This is why you pay a QB at the pro level. Otherwise, just get an inexpensive Sam Darnold type, stack defense and double down on the running game to carry the QB. Young tanked the opening drive (scripted). Stalled on 2 drives in the final 2 minutes of 2nd half (one was a short field TO chance). Came up empty on the opening drive of the 2nd half. Failed on another short field after a TO. A 3 and out in 4Q while trailing. A go ahead drive for a TD in 4Q with 3 minutes to go. Left too much time on the clock for a 3 point lead. 1 for 7 on clutch drive opportunities & only 2 of 26 completions that resulted in a TD drive. Is this a winning QB, nevermind a championship QB? Consistent success? We can all agree he was inconsistent in the redzone. 3 of 9 for 21 yds and 0 TDs. 1 rushing TD. 4 redzone visits. Is this your standard for a franchise QB? I can't change any goalpost when we're staring at the hard facts and not ignoring everything but the few highlights you're gripping tight to. He is the QB and needs to CONSISTENTLY step up in these moments to be considered a franchise QB. Unless that franchise wants to be a perennial losing organization. The stats and drives would tell us Young was a factor in the loss given his opportunites. Drive enders outside of Young were Hubbard, Moore, Ekwonu, and Hunt. Moore, Ekwonu and Hunt were only responsible for ending 1 drive each. 13 total drives. Young and Hubbard were responsible for killing 8 drives. 27% of drives need to be TDs to be a good team. The Panthers offense led by Young and Hubbard were at 15.4% against the Bucs. Panthers were 17.4% for TD conversion before today and that will be lowered. The Panthers offense was slightly above Giants and Browns level of offensive production against the Bucs. That is a clear perspective of where the key offensive leaders, Young and Hubbard, stand as an offense. Coker, Thielen, and J.Sanders have been successful as receivers, but there is no core leader at receiver with Johnson still being the most targeted receiver going into today's game. The offense converted TDs at a higher rate (20%. Better than the Steelers/Texans and just under the Vikings) with Dalton at QB absent Thielen. Keep that in mind too. Bryce Young highlights and moral victories mean nothing going into year 3. He has every drive to prove himself better than back up QBs in their 30s. Bring performance based numbers and splits to prove these numbers insignificant. He's not going to be ready to compete in the league at a playoff level for at least 4 more years based on his numbers and low rate of improvement. The defense will have to carry a QB on Young's sub par level to win.

He's showing he's a bottom 10 league starter at this point. There will be rookies better than him next season. A franchise QB wins on drives consistently, leads bad teams to wins against good teams, and can beat top 10 defenses in close games. The bar is so low. Bryce Young is a tier below Ryan Fitzpatrick. Do you think he surpasses that level, and how many years will that take?

He's still inconsistent and loses games. Being happy he doesn't get blown out and ragged dolled is a keeper? How many years until fans realize Young is a sub par starter and a career back up? I'll keep watching, but he needs to show he can compete with and beat the best when his team puts him in that position. He's easily replaceable with QBs like Andy Dalton, Baker Mayfield, Sam Darnold, Cooper Rush, and rookie QBs. We had PJ Walker doing better than Bryce Young in fewer starts. This is the hard truth. If he suddenly becomes consistent, I'll recognize that turn around. I'm just not okay with waiting 4 seasons to see just a little bit of consistency at the QB position. I expect QBs to show they're clutch by the 2nd year too, and we're still not seeing that from Young. We're all just happy he's better than the garbage play we saw for a while, and among the bottom 10 starters in the league.

Inconsistent players/coaches going to be inconsistent. Young, Hubbard, Tremble, Moore, Ekwonu, Evero, Horn, Clowney, Wallace, Johnson, Jewell, Jackson, Tuttle. Oh well, at least we're a competitive losing team now.

Chuba with a horrible mistake

Thielen still got it

Prayer throw & acrobat WR again

Bryce throwing plays away now. Come on!

I want to see consistency Bryce