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52 minutes ago, Martin said:

Brinson put out his final mock this morning and it is perfection for us. Trading back with the Jets to get our 2nd rounder back and we still get Neal at pick 10. Would blow my mind. Jets is an interesting trade back partner that I hadn’t thought about as much before.
 

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/news/2022-nfl-mock-draft-3-0-jets-trade-up-to-select-first-wide-receiver-derek-stingley-jr-soars-up-draft-board/

 

 

I’ve looked at a few of these and I think the Jets are definitely moving up off of 10. They’re going to want an impact rusher and an impact receiver. If Walker, Thibs, Hutchinson, Wilson fall past #5 then imo they’re coming up. 
 

Not sure it’d be for Neal. Sounds like maybe Cross is preferred unless Neal is just that much of a stud that all teams are trying to tank his stock.  

The Willis hype being pushed by his agent is REAL. The dude is a project QB and is being hailed as in the same class as Vick, Cam, Josh Allen. 

5 hours ago, poundaway said:

Getting two firsts would be nice.

Getting both of those 1sts would require us throwing in a player piece. The problem is we don’t really have great depth at any position unless we’re considering trading CMC. If you trade CMC you’d be dumb to draft one of these rookie QBs. He’s basically their only chance of succeeding. So….not sure how we get two 1sts.

If you do the points we’re about 350 points off the Eagles two 1st round picks. That’s a mid-second round pick. So question is do you start dealing picks next year in order to move down and acquire picks this year? 

30 minutes ago, Zod said:

If we draft another right tackle I'm going to punch someone in the ovaries.

This FO really seems to love boom or bust options. Darnold, Henderson, trade down for a potential boom or bust LT in order to get another boom or bust QB at the bottom of the 1st or 2nd. 

7 minutes ago, chknwing said:

were gonna fleece New Orleans.  Dont care what the pick is as long as we screw them.

Part of me thinks the Eagles are going to be the trade partner. 

2 hours ago, musicman said:

Barring major injuries, we are not picking in the top 10 next year. Maybe mid round, even with Sam if we get a LT and stay healthy. So, having a Malik or good QB to sit the year, or at least a 1/2 year is a benefit to Rhule this year. If he's not here next year, he don't care about losing an early pick in 2023. 

I'm just saying we walk away with a top LT and still get a QB later in the 1st or early 2nd, they win the PR move and improve the team. Better would be trading for Jimmy G or Baker and not trading the pick but after Teddy and Sam, I think they don't want a re-thread again.

I'm NOT saying I want them to trade next years pick, I just think that could happen.

Who are the guaranteed wins next year? If CMC gets hurt we’re not winning any games. If he stays healthy then we’re probably a .500 team realistically. Probably split with the Saints and Falcons. We play the NFCW and AFCN. Every team in both of those divisions is going to smoke us. We will for sure be picking in the top 10.

22 hours ago, raleigh-panther said:

As much as I despise Rhule and would like nothing better than for him to rot in the bed he made, neither the players or the fans can stomach another year of Darnold 

don’t forget those players have incentives in their contract and some actually aspire to, you know, make it to a playoff game, and that is absolutely not happening with Darnold. 

Too, do not expect the fans in the stadium to be anything other than opposing fans 

why travel to see the worst qb in the league look like the worst qb in the league 

it’s called Hope…and right now, this franchise and it’s fans, have none.  

losing hope in September is a helluva lot worse for a pro football team than losing it in December 

 

 

 

That’s fine. Find a way to trade for Baker or sign JG once he’s released if you need “hope.” But trading day 1-2 picks next year imo has to be off the table. Maybe someone like Corral or Howell starts free falling to the bottom of the 3rd and you make a deal for a 3rd next year and our 4th this year to move up. But beyond that I don’t want to see it…

7 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

You can read the full breakdown here: Sam Howell

Here's what they said in the "Technical" section (touching on his deep passing near the end)

Very quick feet to move around the pocket, can slide/climb to avoid rush and reset very quickly. Flashes the ability to manipulate defenders with eyes. Adequate decision-making considering a system that didn't give him many answers. Flashed ability to anticipate with throws early in the year. Quick throwing motion and shows above the line velocity on underneath to intermediate throws, able to squeeze into tight windows between the numbers. Outstanding accuracy underneath to protect WRs and create YAC for players in motion. Gets outside the pocket well and can throw accurately off-platform. … Backpedals in most drops. Rarely made it to a third read, scrambling if initial read was covered. Plays hero ball, especially in clutch situations, leading to poor decisions. Lost trust in receivers throughout the year (reasonably) and stopped anticipating with throws. Limited throwing mechanics, overstriding with overly-wide plant step, pointing plant foot across body, and opening hips early, significantly decreasing torque. Kicks back leg. Uneven shoulders on deep passes. Poor weight transfer. Mechanical issues compound on deep passes, causing limited accuracy.

 

Here’s the Q. If you have confidence in Christensen as a future LT do you make a trade down…try to pick up a 1st next year and a 2nd this year. Then hope you can get Linderbaum/Strange to plug in at OG along with a QB prospect? 
 

I wouldn’t hate that gameplan. But I still think getting one of the top OTs this year and then a QB next year is the way to go. But they may not see a huge difference in the OT position if they really are sold on BC as the future. 

Nope. If they’re realistic they’ll know that trotting a rookie out there (especially Willis) will end in us getting another top 5 pick that was then handed over to the Packers. 
 

Rhule made his bed with Darnold. Get the LT. Let McAdoo do his job and roll with the cards he dealt himself. There is no way wirh next years QB class that Tepper and Fitt let him trade a future 1st. 
 

Young, Stroud, Richardson, and maybe Rattler are ALL better than the top QB in this class. You do not trade that pick. Period. Sorry Matt…

The Walter football guys compared Cross to Ronnie Stanley. I think out of the tackles the thought on Cross is he’s the most agile and while he may not be a great pass blocker that’s attributed to him needing to bulk up. Idt you’re going to go wrong with either him or Icky at 6. No matter what we should come out of this draft with a stud starting left tackle…..finally. 

On 4/21/2022 at 9:37 PM, Captain Morgan said:

 

gonna pull for that guy no matter what team he goes to.  What a great smile.  

 

If he’s not gone by 6 (its hard to believe he wouldn’t be) Fitterer needs to sprint to the podium. Screw trading down. Figure out QB later. The entire OL is set for the next 5 years. The LT spot is set for 10. 

On 4/21/2022 at 4:06 PM, Panthers Rhule said:

I always call for Pickett, buuuuuut Ekwonu is my fav LT of the big 3. He's a beast and he's a nasty m'fugga. After listening to Camden and based on him being my LT choice I would have to say if he is there then we take him and kick the QB can down the road a little further. Adding him to the roster would at least allow us to run the dang ball for once. That way, whoever is trying to pass for us at least won't have to do it too often. 

I think he's just too good to pass on there. Even for a QB. By QB I mean PIckett. 

People that don’t get excited about tackles need to pay attention to the niners with Shanahan and now the Phins with McDaniel. Who did both of those offensive gurus prioritize in free agency? Trent Williams and Teron Armstead. Icky has basically the same dimensions as Williams and has the same descriptor. He’s nasty. He’s physical. You can put him at OT and he’s quick enough to pull as a lead blocker in the run game. He’s elite. The entire niners offense is predicated on Trent Williams and Deebo. 
 

This is a copy cat league. Make our O about CMC, DJ and Icky. The end. Screw who’s at QB. Run the ball into the ground, control clock, don’t turn it over and play elite defense. Don’t overthink this pick. If Icky or Neal are there this team better sprint to the table. 

6 hours ago, PantherKyle said:

Neal/Cross/Ikey

please

It’d be awesome if all 3 are there and we somehow trade down to 10 with the Jets bc they’re trying to come up for a DE, CB, or WR. 

I think it’s becoming more and more likely that someone trades to the Giants spot (NO, Pittsburgh, Atlanta) and gets ahead of us for Willis and drops the exact player we need right into our laps. We take Ekwonu or Neal and start prepping for next year with the roster and figure out if there is another veteran to bring in on the cheap (draft pick-wise). 
 

I think there will be a real discussion about Willis IF he’s there at #6. But I think the Steelers, Saints, and potentially Falcons all like him enough to try and get up to #5. Which imo would be great news for us…Finish the OL and take another stab at a QB next year likely in the top 3 picks (bc we’re gonna suck). 
 

9 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

...says Phil Snow, on the advice of Steve Wilks

Let me say for the record that I respect the hell out of Steve Wilks.

And with that said, I disagree with this decision.

We’re gonna trade down and draft Nakobe Dean or Lloyd aren’t we? What do we have…two linebackers on the entire team who can play significant snaps?

If there is a tackle on the board. Which…increasingly it appears there will be I just don’t know how we end up with one of the QBs. Idt Tepper is letting them trade future assets. 

16 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I don't see him in the roster, even if he's outright cut. We didn't learn anything from the Teddy debacle. You can't openly poo all over a guy while he's still on your roster.

TB was different. He’s a proven vet. Everyone basically thinks Darnold is terrible. 

The problem with Jimmy G isn’t that he can’t play or that he doesn’t possess elite skills. Imo he does. He’s very mobile in the pocket. He has a good arm. He’s smart. 
 

The issue with him is that he’s the CMC of QBs….he can’t stay healthy and he just had major shoulder surgery. He averages like 8 games a season.

12 hours ago, Jon Snow said:

Now let's not go crazy here. We are not set on the line by any means. That NC State kid is a mountain of a man that you cannot pass on.

Yup. Neal and Icky are classic “Ozzie Newsome” type players. If Christensen really is good enough to start at OG then the left side of the line is solved for a decade. The entire line is probably solved for the next 5 years until Moton starts going downhill. 

1 hour ago, davos said:

I have a suspicion a lot of teams REALLY like a few guys including Sauce Gardner, Garrett Wilson, Bernhard Raimann, & Zion Johnson.  They're that blend of smarts, passion for the game, hit all measurables, just the full package at their positions.  

Personally love hearing we may potentially be looking at Raimann if we trade down.  He's a stud. 

If a trade is made, I HAVE to think Wilson, Raimann, Zion or Corral are the targets on our second block on the big boards.  Then a trade up for Howell with the new capital gained if Corral isn't R1.  

 

Or….Stand pat and have two first round picks next year in a much better QB class. 

6 hours ago, Verge said:

It would be a little rich for sure. A trade down option people may not be considering is us picking up a 2nd+ this year and a 1st next year for our current spot. Strange will fit in that early 2nd round. He is a guard/center hybrid.

Better be with a team that is going to suck next year. The only way I’m ok trading out of that 6th pick and not getting a 1st this year is if it’s with a team like the Texans or maybe the Falcons if they draft a QB and miss on a veteran. There is a good chance teams like the Giants, Jets, Jags all take significant steps forward this year and are drafting outside the top 10.

26 minutes ago, TheSpecialJuan said:

 

This is the exact correct take. Take the LT. Give up no capital. Get Baker. Do or die for the current staff. If we don’t win then start over. 
 

If we do win then great. Sign Baker to a team friendly deal similar to what the Chiefs did with Smith and the Titans initially did with Tannehill….and draft the replacement.

I would happily trade RA and that contract straight up for BM. Let Terrance Marshall get in and thrive. 

4 hours ago, Shocker said:

Little Todd starting to get a little big with the mouth lately.

McShay is a mouthpiece for the owners who have made him who he is. He isn’t impartial in the least. I’ve been saying this for a year….the idea that Tepper was going to roll in here and make every other billionaire look small without backlash was impossible. 
 

He immediately became richer than any other owner and let everyone know it. He gave Rhule a massive deal that drove the price up for the bottom rung owners. They can’t stand it. 

The knock on Howell (from Nystrom) is essentially that he ran an extremely simple system and when he didn’t get the look he wanted he didn’t know what to do.