Billy Goat

Think the pick will be Darius Rush. If he's gone then Henry To'oTo'o.

There's still some good FA rushers available so I'd have taken the WR with big upside as well if it was a choice between the two. Need to sign someone in FA now though. We have the cap to do it.

1 minute ago, Ocpanthertew714 said:

I love this pick.

it says the staff believe they can get more out of YGM 

Lets goo!

Makes it more likely they'll sign a vet rusher in FA if anything.

Hope we don't trade back. If we're going to do any moving around I'd try and package our 3rd with one of the 4th round picks and a 5th to move higher up in the 3rd.

I'd keep drafting for the offensive side of the ball. We have the cap to sign an edge rusher and there's still some decent options out there who'd probably have more of an impact than any second rounder will in their rookie year. I'd take a TE or guard with the next pick. Very tempting to be able to get the top guard in the draft (if he's still there).

Just now, PantherOnTheProwl1523 said:

I would tend to believe someone that has more football knowledge than either of us. And by the way you must enjoy saying a false statement about CJ being a dud which is totally ridiculous and lame to even say something stupid like that.

I'm not saying he's a dud, I'm saying the data points to him being a dud. If they've carried out 100s of tests and all the low scoring players haven't been a success then everything I said is true, he'll either be an outlier or a failure like the rest of the low scoring players. Nothing controversial about that.

11 minutes ago, PantherOnTheProwl1523 said:

There was talk on NFL radio this morning and the test was brought up. From what was said about that test it doesn't determine how good IQ of a QB will be or how well he will play. All of this is a big distraction and a ridiculous reason to cause any QB to just freefall in draft positions.

Well that seems wrong. It's not an IQ test and everyone who has scored low hasn't succeeded in the NFL. If Stroud really got a low score (which seems accurate at this point given his answer) then he'll be an outlier. The data they've collected thus far points to Stroud being a dud.

Reddit managed to screw over Wall Street with the GameStop shorting. These odds moving is small potatoes in comparison. Really nothing to see here.

The person who started this rumour has probably cashed out and is laughing counting his money.

1 minute ago, therealmjl said:

#1 is a lock

#39 Fitt will be trying his hardest to trade down into the late 40s.

I thought we'd try and trade down from 39 as well but after hearing Fitterer say the sweet spot of the draft is between 20 and 45 I'm not so sure anymore. I suppose it depends on how the board looks and how many of their 20-45 prospects are left.

11 minutes ago, Gerry Green said:

So what I'm hearing is; CJ gets the ball out because of scheme and talent.

 

Bryce doesn't get the ball out because of a lack of scheme and talent.

 

Seems legit.

Scheme is a big part. If I remember correctly PJ Walker had the quickest release time of all QBs during his run of starts last year. Is that because he's a great QB with poise and calmness in the pocket or because they set it up for him to get the ball out quickly?

17 minutes ago, therealmjl said:

Ugh thanks a lot Tepper for making us trade up and take the best quarterback in the draft

Yeah it's not like it's a left field pick. We're picking the general consensus best prospect and QB in the draft. I think it would be more worrying if they decided to go in another direction out of fear of the unknown and settled for potentially good (Stroud) instead of potentially great (Young).

10 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

and the s2 guys said all the qbs did well, somebody gots some explaining to do

I suppose they've got client confidentiality to adhere to so can't say much apart from generic statements like "every did well".

1 minute ago, SuperBowlBound said:

 

That seems like nonsense considering the owner/creator of the test said they all scored well this year. Not to mention you'd probably have to be close to brain-dead to only get 18%.

If I was the Texans and had all those picks this year and next I'd be looking to trade out of two for another 1st next year. Fill out the roster this year and draft a QB next year. They'll probably suck enough this year for another top 10 pick in 2024 and they will have 3 first rounders. More than enough ammo to move around and get a QB next year.

A trade is never happening with those picks on offer in that scenario. I don't think they see Stroud and Young as equals so the incentive to trade down would have to be something too good to refuse, like an extra 2nd/3rd rounder this year and a 1st next year. The Texans won't do that.

32 minutes ago, CarolinaRideorDie said:

I fully believe that Young is the correct choice at QB for us and I'm glad he is the pick. However, what did Stroud do to fall so out of favor? If Houston doesn't want him at 2, was Stroud overhyped? 

In the early mocks Levis was 2nd QB off the board in a number of them. A few had Stroud dropping to us at 9. A good combine coupled with us hiring Reich and moving up to 1 (along with the Reich prototype theory) propelled him to first pick status. Maybe it's just a case of the hype falling away.

18 minutes ago, toldozer said:

He's going number 1. To Houston.  Still holding out hope

A team open to trading down from 2 aren't going to be trading up to 1. The only way Young ends up in Houston is if we pass on him, which at this point seems very unlikely.

Working link.

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4 minutes ago, PootieNunu said:

But I heard from all the BY fan boys that Stroud sucks under pressure, I guess it's just something else they made up to help the guy that is built like a slot receiver. 

He has a 41% completion rate under pressure, which is why this statistic seems a bit vague. If it's their completion percentage when a blitz is called it's not really telling you anything if you don't know if a defender(s) actually reached the QB or if the pocket collapsed.

What does "when he got blitzed" even mean? What if a blitz was called but nobody got home and the OLine held up? We know his completion percentage under pressure is in the low 40s. Seems a bit of a useless statistic if accuracy in a collapsing pocket is a lot worse.

29 minutes ago, Wolfcop said:

And there are several who really like CJ in the organization. I bet it’s going down to the wire. 

Is it enough though? We know McCown is one judging by the scouting video he did but he'll have little say. It's assumed Reich is one based on the fact he's the correct size and weight. Most reports seem to suggest Fitterer, Tepper and Brown are in the Young camp.

Ultimately I think there's more big hitters in the Young camp than the Stroud camp and that's what has/will swing the decision.

Different test. Fields scored high in the AIQ test, not the S2.

42 minutes ago, JawnyBlaze said:

I mean, no one thinks he’s actually playing north of 200.  Not even the staunchest Young supporter in the media thinks his combine weight was anything but temporary.  NFL defenses are a whole different animal from college defenses even if there are some guys that are going to be in the NFL. With that said, I don’t think the 15-20 lbs difference between his combine weight and playing weight means he’ll automatically snap like a twig the first time someone hits him.  Some little guys are just tough, maybe he is too. CMC was supposedly too small to be running up the middle and yet he did all the time and his only injury problems have had nothing to do with being too small and getting hit. 

By the same token his college playing weight most likely isn't going to be his playing weight in the NFL. If you look at Wilson and Murray they've both gained at least 10lbs since entering the league. Wilson has at times been 20lb heavier than his combine weight.

I saw a clip of Breer on The Herd yesterday. He said at this point it's "highly unlikely" Bryce Young falls to the Texans.