Billy Goat

There will probably be a run on rushers early in the second round so the question is if they trade up or not. If they do it's probably best to do it before the run starts and have their choice of all of them, rather than panic trade when there's one or two left.

39 minutes ago, SOJA said:

Verge is reporting the walker interest is a giant smokescreen

A smokescreen in order to draft someone (Williams) nobody in the top 10 is going to touch. That's not really how smokescreens work.

27 minutes ago, DaveThePanther2008 said:

I don't buy that Morgan or anyone else said we'd give a F'ING discount. That's the most absurd thing I have heard all week. No front office is going to say that. Probably more networks trying to manipulate the draft. 

I CALL B. S. 

The moving up/down talk always goes crazy the closer it gets to the draft because it's the most interesting thing to talk about for the media heads. Once it gets to draft night none of these moves end up happening. I'd say the odds are still heavily in favour of us picking at 8.

11 minutes ago, imminent rogaine said:

Would love that. 

All depends on who they trade with. If it was with the Bears as is speculated from Joe Person then it's only moving down two spots, so you probably would only get their 3rd rounder and would likely have to give them some day 3 picks. Or swap 1st/2nd rounders and give them a day 3 pick.

I don't think they're going to get a second rounder unless they trade into the lower half of the 1st round, but it seems like most of the movement is from teams around them. In that case the trades are likely going to be mediocre.

As I said in another thread, you can pretty much guarantee they'll package some picks to move back up if they move down. So they won't be drafting more guys, just drafting more of the top 100 talent. 

We will probably get a late second rounder to move down in the first and then package a 3rd and one of the 4ths to move back into the end of the 2nd round to have three 2nd round picks.

3 hours ago, MHS831 said:

Verge has really spiced this up a bit with her Mykel Williams prediction (based on an inside and an outside source) and the fact that she called Jalon Walker a "smokescreen" (or agreed to that description).  The fact of the matter:  I see neither as a good fit based on their college play.

If Graham goes off the board at 7, I am praying for a trade back.

With all due respect to Verge and her sources, there's too many people (those in the media who would actually have a clue) saying Walker is the guy for me to believe any talk of Williams being the preferred choice. Maybe if their absolute goal is to trade down then I can buy it, but I don't think that is in any way linked to creating a smokescreen around Walker. Nobody in the top 8 is going to draft Williams so why create smoke around Walker to blow them off the scent?

My personal reading of the situation surrounding our first pick would be as follows

Option 1 - Draft someone not expected to fall (Graham)

Option 2 - Receive a good deal to trade down

Option 3 - Jalon Walker

I think the only thing that throws a spanner in the works is if Graham falls to us, which seems a distinct possibility at this point.

47 minutes ago, CmC2k said:

I think we trade down to #12 with Dallas for a 3rd. When you look at the Pick value chart picks 12 and 76 from Dallas work almost evenly for pick 8. Then watch us take Walter Nolen at 12 and try and get his teammate Princely Umanmielen in the 2nd. That would leave us with left 2 3rds 2 4ths and 3 5ths to address depth and other needs. 

 

I think if they trade down there's a high chance they trade back up into the second or third. That's why I'm not really fussed about trying to trade down and get more picks because they'll most likely be used to move around on day 2.

They're probably looking at his RAS scores every day and salivating. The nightmare early pick.

You can't be serious about improving the defense and then offer a guy a contract who just had his worst season ever. I hope they get a deal sorted with Blackmon.

37 minutes ago, Bear Hands said:

Yeah it’s a fair observation. Overpaying for FA vets at positions in the first wave that are strong in the draft.  

Did it last year as well with the IOL (although I think Lewis was a great move)

It just limits the impact a deep positional class could give us. Seems like we treat the FA in isolation and then let those moves dictate the draft, rather than projecting where the draft can best help and being more careful about FA signings.

They have more control over what they do in free agency. The draft can throw up any number of outcomes in terms of what position gets drafted the most/earliest. If lots of DL come off the board between 8 and 57 they leave themselves needing to use assets to trade up or missing out on all the good prospects.

What's his RAS score? This isn't another RAS pick, is it?

The roster is in desperate need of another WR that's for sure, although I could still see them adding one in free agency so I'm not sold on them drafting one early.

13 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

I would make him a swing tackle first, reserve guard second.  We have Zavala, who played well.  The OL is set.

Corbett, Mays, Lewis, Hunt, Ekwonu, Moton, Zavala, Christensen, Nijman

I doubt we keep more than nine on the roster, so these hybrids are valuable.  I expect the Panthers to draft a RT to play behind Moton and to take the RT job in a year.

HOWEVER, BC can play RT and at age 29, he could compete for RT.  I wonder if this depth behind Moton prevents the Panthers from drafting a RT this year? 

I hope we did not overpay--no more than $3-4m.

1 year $2.78m fully guaranteed.

I think i would still go Graham if he's there, second preference being the top WR and after that trade down. Im not convinced by any of the pass rushers (the ones that will be left on the board) to be drafting them at 8.

3 minutes ago, Aussie Tank said:

7 sacks last year 

5 in the first 4 games and then 2 for the rest of the year.

3 years $51m for Moehrig.

Other teams are trying to get in on the deal according to Dianna Russini. Not a good sign. They probably jumped the gun and he'll end up elsewhere.

I feel like this Horn situation is going the same way as Burns, meaning a player expecting top of the market money when they're not really worth it. They might be better off using that money on pass rushers in FA and use 8 to draft a CB.

Probably came back just to prove David Newton is a liar who likes to creep on players in the changing room.

Ranked 63rd in pressures, with 30 for the season. Seems to be solid in defending the run but we need pressure from our OLB.

3 minutes ago, PleaseCutStewart said:

Apparently we are going to use every free dollar we have in cap to sign him if we do trade for him... Which means somehow get ready for an even worse defense next year

Or they'll be looking at the cap in future years and work something out? I mean it wouldn't be hard to give him a big signing bonus to lower the cap hit in the first year.

Great tweet. Not only throwing shade on Newton's weird behaviour but also exposing him for the hack he is by discrediting his story (Corbett wanting no competition).