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    NFL News: 2023 Season

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    Well, this could get interesting.

    Austin Ekeler after 34-36 loss to the Dolphins:

     Our coaching hasn’t always been the best. Our play hasn’t always been the best. And when you have a combination of those, then guess what? You’re going to be inconsistent.”

    Accountability is always refreshing. But when a player throws coaching under the bus, especially on a staff where the head coach is already on the hot seat, that grabs people’s attention. Ekeler also called out the players, but that isn’t uncommon. Staley and his staff already have their feet to the fire after that playoff loss to Jacksonville, where they squandered a 27-point lead. When a star player publicly shows a lack of confidence in his coach, the end is likely near.

    https://deadspin.com/austin-ekeler-chargers-dolphins-week-1-1850835539

    NFLPA Exec Director calls out the league over the turf

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    22 minutes ago, Jackie Lee said:

    I he sits out people are gonna be pissed

    If Messi does miss out on the match against Charlotte, it might benefit Charlotte FC from a competition standpoint but ticket buyers would surely be upset. Charlotte FC opened the upper deck of Bank of America Stadium in the immediate aftermath of Messi's announcement that he was coming to Miami as ticket demand skyrocketed.

    The cheapest tickets for the match are around $150 for the upper deck seats. The lower deck seats are almost completely sold out and resale tickets are listed from around $300 with many tickets being listed for well over $1,000. For comparison, Charlotte FC's next home MLS match against Los Angeles FC has tickets from $15 to $200.

     

    Messi, who plays for Miami’s MLS team, has since stated that he doesn’t mind playing on turf.

    Read more at: https://www.charlotteobserver.com/sports/nfl/carolina-panthers/article279282059.html#storylink=cpy

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    NFLPA Exec Director calls out the league over the turf

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    Just read this on The Athletic...not sure where to put it so will put it here:

    What’s notable about that injury and Rodgers’ tear is that both players had calf issues leading up to the injury. Rodgers missed time in June with a calf strain. Calf strains don’t always serve as a precursor to Achilles ruptures, but they can contribute. Any sort of inflammation or minor tears in the calf muscles put more pressure on the Achilles. Even if it’s not much, it can be enough to weaken the Achilles. This is why during calf strain recovery it is very important to follow a strict recovery plan that avoids putting undue pressure and stress on surrounding structures.

    https://theathletic.com/4854996/2023/09/12/achilles-injury-recovery-timeline-aaron-rodgers/?source=dailyemail&campaign=601983

    NFLPA Exec Director calls out the league over the turf

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    As was stated in the thread about the turf issue for Jourdan Rodrique's Athletic article. the Jet's field was  the worst type.  The NFLPA had already called it out but nothing done.

     .An NFLPA-led movement using the hashtag #SaferFields called for the immediate replacement and ban of the slit-film turf surfaces currently in use by seven NFL teams: the New York Giants, New York Jets, Detroit Lions, Minnesota Vikings, New Orleans Saints, Indianapolis Colts and Cincinnati Bengals. Slit-film surfaces are often referred to as “grabby.

    https://theathletic.com/4074335/2023/01/11/nfl-turf-fields-injuries/?source=emp_shared_article

     

    Also...grass might not always be the best.  This year will be a good test in Tennessee:

    ..........the Titans explored a number of solutions to improve the natural playing surface. Nashville exists in a transition climate zone, which makes growing a consistent grass surface throughout the entire NFL season nearly impossible.

    In more recent years, after player/coach concerns, an increase in injuries, and persistent issues with the undependable surface, the Titans amped up their research with data to determine the best, and safest, plan moving forward. Looking at statistics from the 2018-2021 NFL seasons, Nissan Stadium had higher lower extremity injuries than each of the monofilament synthetic turfs in the league.

    The conclusion: Putting in a new, cutting-edge field turf that will be installed in time for the 2023 season.

    The project – replacing the grass with monofilament, Matrix Helix Turf with organic infill – will provide players with a consistent playing experience year-round. This fall, Nissan Stadium will become the first NFL stadium with the technology of a synthetic turf system that incorporates organic infill.

    https://www.tennesseetitans.com/news/why-the-titans-are-switching-to-turf-at-nissan-stadium-starting-in-2023

    It will be interesting to see how the players like playing on that surface and see the data about injuries. There is a learning curve I am sure to find the right equipment, cleats to use for each different surface and see how it changes with weather and temps.

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    Field of nightmares: Inside the NFL, player divide over playing surfaces

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    My take on this so far is that all artificial turf is not equal...some are better and some are worse.  The research is really ramping up on this. There will be new ways of evaluating the fields and some new standards for turf.  Not sure how long that will take.  The Rogers thing may amp it up a bit.

    Grass is not always safe.  I remember a game a few years ago where the Panther field was in terrible shape and fans blamed an injury to a prominent player (don't remember who...think it was a LB) on the field.

    The Titans changed to an artificial turf....I posted info o that a couple of weeks ago.  Their grass field seemed to have some safety issues later in the season.

    I know I might be blasted for this comment but.........everyone criticizes the owners for being about the money. (And they are)  When was the last time we heard that a free agent went to a team (or did not go to a team) due to turf safety? Everyone likes money. Those who have a lot of it want a lot more.

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    Field of nightmares: Inside the NFL, player divide over playing surfaces

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    36 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

    My worry here is that the NFL might take a (deliberately) shortsiggted approach.

    To be specific, their public read might be that it's only the field in Met Life Stadium which needs fixing. All the other turf fields are just fine.

    In the article the mentioned 7 teams who have the same type of surface...which seems to be the worst (according to players):

     seven NFL teams: the New York Giants, New York Jets, Detroit Lions, Minnesota Vikings, New Orleans Saints, Indianapolis Colts and Cincinnati Bengals. Slit-film surfaces are often referred to as “grabby.

    Field of nightmares: Inside the NFL, player divide over playing surfaces

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    https://theathletic.com/4074335/2023/01/11/nfl-turf-fields-injuries/?source=emp_shared_article

    Lots of info and a timely article from our old friend.

    The debate between natural playing surfaces versus turf caught fire again this season after a slew of high-profile non-contact injuries. Half the league plays its home games on a variety of turf fields, but players have been especially outspoken throughout the 2022 season in their desire for a wholesale move to natural surfaces.

    “There are turfs I’ve played on where it actually gives in certain spots,” said former Bengals and Rams left tackle Andrew Whitworth, a 16-year NFL veteran who just completed his first year as an analyst for Amazon’s “Thursday Night Football.”

    “There’s no way to navigate it,” he continued. “Yeah, you’re gonna have ate-up parts of grass. But what happens there, most of the time, is you just fall. The problem with turf is that if you land a little wrong on turf, there’s no give. It’s immediate. And immediate stopping and starting is where people get hurt.”

    There is only one standardized test required to assess the overall safety of NFL playing surfaces: firmness. This evaluation, called a Clegg test, is conducted by each team’s own field management lead and reported to the league in the days ahead of a scheduled game. Any other measures taken to ensure player safety, including Scott’s pregame walk-through, are up to the club.

    “The current field inspections do not account for performance and safety,” NFLPA president J.C. Tretter said in a Nov. 12 statement, “so we should stop saying that these fields are safe to play on based on the fact they passed said inspection.”

    A 2018 study for the American Orthopedic Society for Sports Medicine (AOSSM) found a 16 percent increase in lower-extremity injuries on turf versus grass using data collected from 2012 to 2018. The American Journal of Sports Medicine ascertained that “playing on artificial turf increases the risk of lower-body injury” and that “field surface has a causal effect on injury rates due to synthetic turf’s lack of ability to release an athlete’s shoe” in a 2019 study using data collected from 2012 to 2016.

    Amid increased outcry about playing surfaces, the NFL in November released data showing a “statistically insignificant” difference between injuries on synthetic versus natural surfaces during the 2021 season. Jeff Miller, the league’s executive vice president of health and safety affairs and executive VP of communications, public affairs and policy, echoed that position last month.

    “There has been, over the course of the last few years, a decrease in the difference between injury rates on synthetic surfaces and those on natural grass to the point now where we really talk more about answering the question, ‘Can we decrease injuries on both?’ as opposed to one or the other,” he told The Athletic. “That is a complicated conversation that includes discussions about type of surface, the characteristics of the surface, the sort of cleats players are wearing, the activities they’re involved in, probably some atmospheric and weather issues (and more).”

    As a part of the collective bargaining agreement, the league and its players have a committee dedicated to discussions around playing surfaces. Both bodies also employ engineering and biomechanical consultants to help study the issue and disseminate available data, according to Miller.

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    ..............An NFLPA-led movement using the hashtag #SaferFields called for the immediate replacement and ban of the slit-film turf surfaces currently in use by seven NFL teams: the New York Giants, New York Jets, Detroit Lions, Minnesota Vikings, New Orleans Saints, Indianapolis Colts and Cincinnati Bengals. Slit-film surfaces are often referred to as “grabby.

    One league executive, who was granted anonymity to speak openly on the subject, said for decades injury incidence rates on synthetic surfaces were consistently around 13 percent higher than those on natural surfaces. The executive noted that in recent years — as the league received data from IQVIA — these rates decreased from a 12 percent difference in 2019 to a 7 percent difference in 2020 to a 1 percent difference in 2021.

    An NFL executive told a group of league personnel at December’s league meetings that the 2022 data is also trending toward a 1 percent difference in injury rate between playing surfaces, according to a person with direct knowledge of that conversation who was not authorized to speak publicly.

    There is no general agreement among teams on which artificial playing surface is best. Miller said the league is currently conducting “a substantial research effort” 

    Panthers owner David Tepper changed Bank of America Stadium’s playing surface from grass to turf in 2021. Carolina players met with Tepper last spring to communicate their preference for a natural grass field, though they were not immediately optimistic about future changes.

    In Week 16, as Charlotte temperatures dipped to historic lows, visiting Lions players criticized the “cement-like” turf and noted that it seemed below NFL standards, especially pregame. The NFLPA plans to file a grievance against the Panthers and the NFL over the condition of the turf, saying it failed a pre-game inspection, two officials with knowledge of the filing told The Athletic. There are no current league-mandated standards for equipment utilized by a team to attend to such field changes (such as a tarp or heaters); responses are up to the teams.

    “We have to raise the standards, period,” Tretter recently told The Athletic. “The NFL can’t say that they care about health and safety and do things like allow a game to start when it failed the only test we have for field surfaces. 

    Some league executives believe widening the scope of data and advancing the technology behind it could lead to new standardized safety measures similar to when the NFL banned 10 different models of helmets in 2018, citing player safety. This could in turn lead to an agreed-upon playing surface, as well as heavier investments in the engineering of that surface.

    “The best thing that can happen for turf fields is what has happened with helmets,” Demoff said. “We paid a lot more attention to data, designs and encouraged people (toward) new designs that take advantage of the best of technology to make them as safe as possible.

    “I think turf is the new helmet.”

    Roger's hurt, and out of game.

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    15 minutes ago, t96 said:

    There are 53 players on a team along with a coaching staff of several dozen, you’re gonna put team success all on the shoulders of 1 single player who was literally voted the best player in the entire league 4 times? Lol. And before you bring up regular season vs playoffs take a peak at Rodgers’ career playoff passer rating vs Brady’s. Hint: 1 is significantly higher than the other and it’s not the guy most would expect. Again, he has more than earned his arrogance. You don’t have to like him but he’s one of the best NFL players of all time period.

    You like his arrogance and I don't. Nothing to debate.

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    Roger's hurt, and out of game.

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    GB drafted Rogers when no one else wanted him.  He went to the most storied franchise in the NFL.  He trashed GB as a place no one wants to play for except for the chance to play with him. The city of GB was not big enough for his enormous ego.  He has no respect for anyone and believes the world revolves around him. He does not want to play for a team he wants to run the team.  Jets were dumb to sign him.

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