WOW!!

I wouldn't trade Cody unless it was for someone really good. I think he is a good cog on a team. Still super young and developing.

But for the most part I agree.

I really do love the core of this team. Lock up mkg.

Cody is playing like a complete pussy.. He one of the most athletic 4' in the league and constantly tries to layup bull poo instead of dunking on people. . And where the fuging is his post game?? Has he used it one time yet??

Doesn't matter who we have when Clifford plays the worst guys on our roster in the 4th every single fuging game.

I agree. . Hopefully we can get the garbage off the team so he can't keep making these dumb mistakes..

Kemba suck ass

Why hasn't Chuck been banned yet??

At this point we need to find out who are keepers and who can be traded..

MKg, Kemba, Vonleh, Biz, and H arriston are keepers and Core players for me..

The rest can be traded imo..

I'm so pissed at this team..

Look at Al dumbass face as he watches a 6'2 guy jump over his fatass for another Rebound..

This team completely sucks and has no heart..

Al is being guarded by a 6'6 player. .

Al is such a ducking waste.. He is no leader..

I can't believe I have to debate about a Jag.. Dude has had 2 good season in a 7 year career..

No. You're trolling at this point. There are only 20 things wrong with this post. You already know that but simply can't admit hartline has speed.

Either way when it gets to a point where your evidence is another football player it's obvious the convo is going nowhere.

We will just have to disagree on the fact that 4.48, while constantly gaining seperation, Brian hartline is slow.

Where is the link to a 4.48??

And your only evidence is highlight reel really? ?

The entire highlight reel is from one season ago. Did you even watch it?

I have provided overwhelming evidence of hartline not being slow, including 40 times, a recent highlight reel that gives visual to his ability to create seperation with his speed and a great article that breaks him down as a player.

What evidence do you have that he's slow? Or are you just unwilling to admit your error?

Miami paid 60 million for Mike Wallace.. That's my evidence. . Who pays 60 million and trade for a speed WR when you have one in Hartline right??

i wonder why people think hartline is slow. well, at least he's gritty and deceptively athletic

Isn't that another way to say he isn't fast??

Hartline is not slow...lol you must have never watched him play he is so much faster than Cotchery it isn't even debatable

I want way faster than Crotchety.. like low 4.4 or 4.3..

The Hartline links say 4.58

Five minutes of his highlights puts that theory to rest.

Crotchety has a highlight reel as well.. What does that mean..

Cecil Short is slower and shorter then Hartline.

http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/cecil-shorts?id=2495341

http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/brian-hartline?id=81831

Draftscouts has him running a 4'45 and a 4'50 and another guy in this thread said Hartline was a 4'58..

He ran a 4.52. That's not slow, it's average. Again, who would you bring in?

Kenny Britt a 4'4 guy who is 6'5 and cost the same amount. .

Cecil Short who is a 4'4 guy who runs great routes and had pro bowl season with bad QB's.. Who will also cost about the same money as Hartline. .

Hartline was a track star at Ohio state. Please stop referring to him as slow. It's making you look like you have no idea what you are talking about. 6'2" and 4.5 speed isn't breaking records for size/speed, but it isn't bad either. Kid does everything well. Including getting seperation and tracking the deep ball. Which is exactly what we need.

Wtf does that mean.. " He was a track guy in college" so was Crotchety... Was he a deep threat this year for us??

He was a high 4'5 guy coming put of college (which again is slow for a WR) . He probably isn't even that fast anymore..

He is a jag..I'm sorry if it hurts the Hartline family to know their family member is no better than a 4th wr on a good team. . Which we are trying to be..

He's not slow...

I want to bring him in to COMPETE at number two. If the draft pick covers that, then great. I don't agree with vet minimum, but 3 mil per year would be great. He would replace cotchery (I believe we save money from that as well) and bersin would be gone as well.

We will just have to agree to disagree.

4.58 40' for a WR is slow.. and that was 4-5 years ago when he was drafted. . With age he is probably a 4.6 guy. .

If he is in competition for our #2 WR spot than we failed in bringing in better talent. .

Only way I'd bring in Hartline is if we get rid of Cotchery and Bersin.

If he comes in for the vet minimum and we get rid of the other slow possession type WR which Hartline is.. Than I'm ok with signing him..

You can't have too many slow WR who don't play special teams on the roster. .

Again, Target, not Macy's. We aren't going to sign Jerry Rice this offseason. They don't need to be elite.

Also, again, because we sign one WR that doesn't have elite speed (though he is fine on speed) doesn't mean we don't draft one/ sign Ginn/ Jones type player.

Look at the highlight vid above. The man has a lot to offer and better than some one trick pony speedster.

So again, who do you have in mind that is overall better (price, skill) than Hartline?

And again in my opinion he is a younger Cotchety.. Which is a younger version of a dollar store WR..

And let's not forget you want him as our #2 WR option.. So you can talk about making other moves as well but in your opinion we won't get a better WR than him.. Which again would suck...especially with another good draft and FA period for WR.. If Hartline is the best we can get than we Failed. .

Based off of what? What about him wouldn't be worth bringing him in? Who would you rather have?

He doesn't have elite speed or size he doesn't offer special team abilities... He doesn't have many season of being a number 1 option wr.. All he is... Is a younger slightly better version of Cotchety or a jag player..

If we are cutting Cotchety and Bersin and only paying him league minimum and he is a 4th wr option than cool..

If he is brought in as a number 2 wr and we still have Cotch and Bersin .. Than we failed in the getting Cam weapons and speed theme of this off-season. .

Target, not macy's. Also I think Hartline would do wonders here. We aren't getting Cobb.

He's dollar store not target I'm sorry..

KB, Hartline, draft pick, brown, Ginn/jacoby sound like a pretty good WR Corp to me.

That would absolutely suck.. I'm sorry when Gettlemen said give Cam weapons Hartline as a number 2 is a slap in Cam's face.