WOW!!

They will find anything to tarnish Hardy for the good of the League. The NFL is trying to save face, and look ethical about all players involved in last seasons fiasco. This is about saving the NFL image, nothing more. I think the league owes about 12.2M dollars of Cap space to the Panthers, if no evidence is found against Hardy.

But they have to battle the NFLPA as well.. So unless they have hard evidence they will lose..

No, this is still about the domestic violence.

As I said, all that has been proven us that he paid holder and she went away.

League is evaluating whether tgere us enough there to warrant a suspension.

Remember Rothlesberger was suspended even though he was never found guilty.

Not saying he should it should not. Just what I think the league is looking at.

Nobody knows what the settlement was..

If they couldn't prosecute without her testimony how is the NFL going to find fault with the evidence that wasn't enough to go forward with in the case...

Ben was on his 3rd accusers when they finally punished him..

Will they take into account that the PIcs presented as evidence were taking 10 unaccounted for hours after the original 911 call by Hardy..and that the police at the scene of the crime saw no reason to arrest anyone at the time..

Actually, we don't even know that a financial settlement was reached. DA didn't say that there was one, just that they had reason to believe there was one.

And that settlement cannot be contingent on her not testifying or not showing up.

The only thing we know for sure is she quit talking to DA after saying she didn't want another trial and that she didn't show up

Get'EM Ray... A lot people spewing opinions that aren't facts in this thread..m

We don't know what he is guilty of. All we know is that a financial settlement was made with Hokder and she disappeared. In some ways it makes it look worse for Hardy.

Not really .. but in your mind it probably does..

It was a paid suspension not a paid vacation.

The exempt list is for the NFL to stash you away so they don't have deal with constant media attack that the player is still active.

The NFL will try to suspend him but t will go to the courts which Hardy will win.

AP pled no contest. Which is why the NFL ultimately suspended him. Because he admitted guilt and only wanted to trial to move faster so he could be back on the field.

Hardy has retained his innocence throughout the process.

The NFL suspension will not stick.

He might get 2 games at the most but the NFLPA has a firm base to fight a suspension for Greg because he retained his innocence. .

Some people seem really emotional about not wanting Hardy back. Not really sure why.

I get having the educated opinion or belief that he won't be. But some of the posters seem to emotionally attached to the idea that he can't come back no matter what.

This is a guy that makes us better as a team. He has some warts. And if he leaves so be it, we will survive. But i am not excited at the prospect of him walking and possibly signing with a team we have to face in the future

And than the whole argument that people who would like to see him back are the emotional ones is crazy..

I'm sorry guys that i want to find a way to keep a top 5 defensive pass rushers that we develop on the team.. I'm sorry that I read the testimony and followed this case from the beginning and feel like the accusers is a lair and full of crap..

It really pisses me off that real domestic violence victims get a bed at a women shelter and years of fears and damage emotionally and physically. .and not trips to Colorado skiing and shopping sprees in NY..

Sticking their necks out? Good lord.

They are asked if they want Hardy back. They say yes. Guess what, they will say the same about Byron Bell and Thomas DeCoud as well. In fact, they will say that for any single player on the roster.

Billy is reporting these players are actually going to Jerry and voicing their opinions to him.. Billy is saying they are telling Jerry they want him back.. this isn't just they are being asked about Greg..

Ive asked.

So you know for sure he wasn't working and talking to teammates away from the building. .

Hardy looked pretty sad in his rap video. You know, that other career he worked on while away that made him pretty happy. Happy enough not to be seen at the facilities all season.

Wait, if he was missing football and his team so much... Why not show up and lift weights and such.

Too heartbroken I imagine. Would be embarrassed to be seen crying.

How do you know he wasn't. . And now we're seeing that he did have contact with his coaches and other players ...because they are fighting for him to return. . Guys like TD Olsen Kali and CJ are putting their necks out for him...

Voth talking about it right now.

http://wfnz.beasleyi.com/

Billy was the biggest one saying this won't happen...and now more and more Billy is having to admit more and more that it's a possibility. .

Don't ignore the word "proof". It's important here. The NFL cannot suspend anyone based on hearsay, which will be the case of they go on the accuser's testimony alone.

And that reality may not be a reality at all. It is why a judge overturned the private entity's decision in the Ray Rice case. The NFL's punishments in cases where it's not that clear cut are not final.

A testimony that change 3x during the duration of the case...

Again, in my post I said that in order to suspend Hardy, I think the NFL needs the court documents. This includes bench trial transcripts and police reports.

You keep using the word "proof". The NFL is not a government entity. They are a business. They are a business that collectively bargained with their union workforce to give the commissioner the authority to make a judgement call (again, not a proof call, a judgement call) when suspending players for conduct that the commissioner believes to be detrimental to the league.

I am not saying I agree with it, but it's reality.

When looking at the testimony and transcripts they will notice how her story change 3x and how police on the scene of the crime didn't see enough to make a arrests.

While the NFL is looking at Pics of Holder will they take into account those pics weren't taking at the scene but 10 hours later after trying to call Greg 20x and than deciding to report him...

Ben Roethlisberger was suspended without ever being charged.

Honestly I imagine the NFL can suspend someone even if they are acquitted.

Ben was also on his 3rd rape accusers.. People tend to forget 2 other poor victims that Ben didn't get punished for...

Doesn't matter. She's a woman and they never lie about this sort of thing.

Duke lacrosse. .. The truth will come out..

I don't think there is any way you can read the transcript and decide that there wasn't a physical altercation of some sort in his apartment along with lots of unsecured weapons present while both of them were drunk and maybe high

You can see :

1. No arrests at the scene of the crime. .

2. No mention of weapons at the scene of the crime. .

3. Story change 3 times during the case...

4. 10 hours unaccounted for after the 911 call and her going to the hospital and filling a report. .

5. Scared for her life but calling Hardy and his handlers 20x before filling yhar report. .

And there will be many more uneven facts to read..

Understood.

That can actually work both ways, as is evidenced by those times when other team's fans get excited about a former Panther player or coach, but fans on here say 'buyer beware'.

Just a question Scot...

When reading the circumstances and transcripts of this case (like the league office will do) .... What is your interpretation of what happened that night..

Devalued is not the same as obsolete.

Obsolete is not drafting or bringing one it in at all....

I'm saying drafting one later in the draft for depth purposes. . Totally different. .

The position may be devalued by the rest of the league but it isn't by our team. Our offense is driven by the running game, and Cam can not be the focal point.

Our offense won't take the next step until we get better in the passing game.. We have the weapons in the running game to be successful. .. all we need is depths at RB and a better Oline... I don't want to spend a high pick on RB depth in a devalued position. .

You win. It's your world brother so have at it. Peace!

Duke lacrosse that girl got away with that lie didn't she...

I don't. Why should anyone? Brain Williams? Really?

So that doesn't totally go against your point that the media can say anything and no one will care right. .

You're assuming I'm emotionally invested in this as you obviously are. You also seem to be under the illusion that I give a sh*t one way or the other. Scot and I were simply trying to remind you of the fact that the media does not care about facts, truth or the rule of law. They, like politicians, know that the majority of the listening public will believe anything they spew and will not take the time to actually research the facts. Not one single entity with a voice that's heard by the masses gives one iota of the thought about what really happened that you keeping preaching. But you go ahead a scream to all that's Holy about the injustice being done to Hardy. Everyone else is moving on.

At what point do you realize we're doing the same thing with different opinions??

Side note:

People don't care that Brain Williams lied about what he did in The middle East and during Katrina either...

Oh wait......

The same as Ray Rice initial suspension?

That'd be a PR nightmare for the NFL.

Like I said I Sig bet he only gets 2 games if that. . Like I said the NFLPA isn't going to sit back and let a player who hasn't admitted guilt nor can be proven to be guilty take a 6 game suspension. .

I bet either 1 of you Scot or Borat.. if he gets any suspension it's 2 games at the most. ..