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2 hours ago, CRA said:

Shows 3 last year.  One of those was a 40+ yard XP.   

end of the day, he has been a solid kicker the last 2 years.   K hasn’t been a weakness 

5 in the 2 year span you'd originally referenced.

The 40+ yarder was part of the ATL fiasco 2 years ago. 

Last year he made 86% of his FGs and 85% of his XPs. That's good for 22nd and dead last in the NFL respectively. 

You can say Kicker hasn't been a weakness but it sure as hell hasn't been a strength. 

Now dude wants to hold out for more money? Good luck on your next venture. Theres a reason he was passed around the league before he landed here.

4 hours ago, CRA said:

he missed 1 FG under 50 all season last year. 

he missed 2 FG under 50 the year prior

and made most of his 50+ both seasons

I think Pinero is just wanting off the worst team in the NFL.   Competitive teams are looking for a reliable kicker.  Seems like he is just playing that card.  

 

Don't forget the 5 missed Extra Points. 

(2nd most in the NFL last year btw)

9 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

If you're not playing you can't be considered bad. Aaron Rodgers didn't play either.

I'm just saying I watch a LOT of NFL football and I can't recall anyone not named Jimmy Clausen who looked worse and I'm not just talking stats. I'm talking about judging talent. A guy can put up ugly stats and still show flashes of the prerequisite talent. That's what was disturbing about Clausen and Bryce. They just flat out didn't look like they had NFL QB talent.

Aaron Rodgers was sitting behind Brett Favre. He also wasn't on my list. 

JaMarcus Russell not being able to beat out Josh McCown and Jake Locker not being able to beat out 36 year old Matt Hasselbeck are apples to oranges man. 

Clausen was atrocious. Up there with Tony Pike, Brian St Pierre and Will Grier where you just knew we had zero chance every single week. 

I dont feel that way about BY just yet. Like I said originally, dude was bad last year and if he doesn't get substantially better won't be starting this time next year, he at least flashed though. 

The GB game, the drive in the rain against the Falcons, the drive to ice the Texans. I never saw anything close to that with Clausen. 

Anyway, we may just agree to disagree man. Have a great day.

11 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

A lot of those guys barely played as rookies.

I'd argue that not being able to beat out an incumbent starter despite being drafted in the first round could also be quantified as a "bad" rookie season. 

Still, 12 of those guys played more than 10 games as a rookie. 

Again, Im not saying hes a world beater here, in fact I'd wager he's more likely than not to be another name on this long list of 1st round busts, but I also don't think he's even close to being the worst rookie QB since 2000.

Brandon Weeden - 15 games 

Josh Rosen 14 games

Paxton Lynch - 5 games

Kenny Pickett - 13 games

Trey Lance - 6 games, starts 

David Carr- 16 games 

Joey Harrington - 14 games

Patrick Ramsey - 9 games 

Kyle Boler - 11 games

JP Losman - 4 games, no starts

Matt Leinart - 12 games 

JaMarcus Russell - 4 games, 1 start

Brady Quinn - 1 game, no starts

Josh Freemen - 10 games

EJ Manuel - 10 games 

Jake Locker- 5 games, no starts

Johnny Manziel - 5 games, 2 starts

Sam Darnold - 13 games

Dwayne Haskins - 9 games 

Zac Wilson - 13 games

Mac Jones - 17 games (probably shouldn't be on here, actually had a solid rookie year)

25 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I made it to "Jimmy Clausen and then Bryce Young as basically the worst rookie QBs since 2000..."

 

That's such a hyperbolic statement too.

Bryce was straight ass cheeks for probably 93% of last season (and I'm probably being generous) but I could still give you a dozen QBs drafted in the first round since 2000 that were far, far worse than he was.

Hell, Pickles was a 2nd rounder, so if the threshold is any round then I honestly don't think BY even cracks the top 5 of *our* worst drafted QBs since 2000. 

5 hours ago, CPcavedweller said:

Jack Plummer was surprisingly underrated in this draft. He didn’t exactly have the best team before he got to Louisville and given one more year at Louisville I feel he would’ve been drafted. 

100% would not have been drafted lmao. 

Dude was terrible. He only got picked up in the portal because Brohm was hired late in the cycle and he knew the offense. 

He would not, and should not have been drafted. Louisville often times won in spite of him. 

He has prototypical size. Thats it. Bryce Young has a stronger arm than Jack Plummer.

2 minutes ago, App Panther said:

Yea. He's super ass. I just remember that ACC Title game and wanting to gouge my eyes out and I'm an FSU fan. 

Was so hard to watch. Team often managed to win in spite of him. 

Hes good for a half dozen missed deep balls, untimely turnovers and at least 1 wide open missed receiver in the end zone per game.

Ugh I just can't escape the nightmare that is Jack Plummer.

Random fact I can share as a Cards fan this is the 3rd Louisville QB we've had on our roster.

Stefan LeFors

Hunter Cantwell

Jack Plummer

He is 1000% the worst of the 3 too.

whoah

Texans getting: 

Diggs 

2024 6th

2025 5th 

Bills

2024 2nd

I know he's 30 and going to probably demand a new top dollar extension but sheesh.

As lackluster as this trade is....

I still make this trade before/instead of the "haul" we got for CMC. This isnt revisionist history. I was very vocal about that. Hated it then. Hate it even more now. 

Best of luck to Burns in the future but I'm not broken up about losing him.

The only upsetting thing about today was Luvu not being re-signed. 

150 for 5? fug that lol

2nd and a 5th? Also fug that.

That Rams deal was absurd to pass on then, its more absurd now. 

Factor in the peanuts we traded the OPOY for and all I gotta say is I hope Fitterrer steps in a puddle wearing a sock every day the rest of his life.

Jamari Thrash is a name to keep an eye on. 

Indifferent. 

I've been burnt too many times by this franchise. Said I was done after the CMC trade and yet I still stuck around and watched every game. The run at the end of the season gave me a semblance of hope. Trading up to number 1 led to being a prisoner of the moment and relit that little flame of optimism. 

I spent most of last March-August wearing rose colored homer glasses and huffing copium living in a world I that turned out to be nothing more than delusions. "All Star staff" "Super Processor" "Steph Curry of the NFL" "Doesn't need a number 1 WR because he's a distributor"  

I've learned over the last 2 years my connection to this team is much more sentimental and emotional due to memories with my dad over the past 20 years rather than any player, coach, GM or even owner. Those memories I'll cherish forever so I'll always be a Carolina Panthers fan, but my days of blind optimism are long gone.

They haven't earned that back and frankly don't deserve it. 

Hope the hire works out. Won't be surprised if it doesn't. 

9 hours ago, WUnderhill said:

I believe if Evero gets hired as an HC elsewhere we get a draft pick, so I’d be down with that.

Has to be here for 2 years before we'd get the comp pick.

Part of why they're blocking lateral moves for him I'm sure. 

Hell be retained as DC for whoever we hire if he doesn't get the job. 

I am whelmed. Honestly hard to care about anything this franchise does anymore.

Its the good times that still keep me around and since Dan was a part of some of those here's to hoping he'll be the guy to bring them back. 

Harbaugh, Slowik, Johnson, Macdonald, Monken in that order for HC.

Would be happy with any of those 5.

Fug Burns. Should have taken that Rams trade and kept CMC and DJ. That was the nail in the coffin for Fitterer for me. Said it then and ill say it again. 

Now with that said we don't have a GM or HC. I think it's fairly obvious he's implying those are the number 1 and number 2 priorities for the team. 

JJ Jansen should get some love too. 

Troy Hill and Gabe Jackson played really well off the street for us this year. 

Every other player can be loaded onto a rocket and launched into fuging orbit for all I care. 

fuging perfect encapsulation of this entire season right there. 

I honestly don't know how it could get worse. 

I am so done with DJ Chark. 

God 4:25 can't get here soon enough. 

19 hours ago, mrcompletely11 said:

I am not sure what that means by "transition".  Is he sticking around no matter what?

Almost all pro personnel and college scounting departments stay in place during the first year.

The draft and FA start in a few months. There just isn't enough time to replace and restart the process of scouting, researching and building a profile of every single FA and Draft prospect. 

After the draft and FA is when you traditionally see new people brought in to replace the old crew. 

Dan may stick around for another few months to help the transition but unless he gets the GM job itself I have a hard time imagining he stays longer than that.

The biggest thing about today and something far more important than the final score was the Carolina job became more attractive today. 

The Bryce we saw today put some really, really good things on film. Not to be a prisoner of the moment but dare I say flashes of greatness worthy of that Number 1 selection. 

If he continues to build on this game today (just as he built off that final drive last week) over our last couple games we may all of a sudden start to hear some glowing remarks in terms of the opening rather than the mostly universally negative we have thus far.