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Just now, Riverboat Ron said:

I’m going to base everything on this one game and make outlandish knee jerk reactions to everything.

-Carolina Huddle (forever)

The huddle already made knee jerk reactions from preseason. Just would be par the course for them to base season projections on the first game too.

2 minutes ago, Wolfcop said:

All in on Bryce, but not his supporting cast. 

Wish we had a few guys with more speed and who can stretch the field. The lack of ability to separate from most of Carolina's WRs is concerning, especially with Chark out.

Near 2017 end of season levels of bad. Cam Newton was incredible being able to make something out of those jags.

Hoping Bryce Young finds some of that magic too. 

Game one of a new regime.

Whether you're optimistic or pessimistic, it's the start of a new era. One where Matt Rhule is no longer terrorizing the Carolinas, and one where Bryce Young is the hope of the future.

Excited to see the beginning of it, no matter the outcome.

Let Burns walk and watch this defense turn into a bottom 25 overnight lol.

We get it. Burns isn't Bosa, that much is obvious. Realizing that this defense literally would not function without burns is also something to note. 

Whatever contract he gets, it's worthwhile at this point from a team impact value standpoint. Not a single defender on this team is better than him.

Otherwise it'll be amusing to see just how bad this defense will look without him, because it'll certainly be a tragic comedy.

Does Burns have his issues I'd hope he fixes after a big payday? Very much so, and I hope to see him take a step up in a theoretical system that suits him better.

Just know that good DEs don't grow on trees, and 31 other teams would kill to have Burns on their roster.

Name a better player on defense than Burns. I'd be hard pressed to name one.

Yeah, he'll get paid. The Panthers would be dumb at this point not to.

Some interesting nuggets from the latest Athletic article.

https://theathletic.com/4832487/2023/09/04/panthers-brian-burns-hold-in/?source=user_shared_article

On what $$$ Burns is eyeing vs Panthers FO

"General manager Scott Fitterer has said repeatedly that he wants Burns around for the long term. But while Burns is eyeing Bosa-type money at the top end of the edge rusher market, the Panthers are seemingly more comfortable with a deal that pays Burns about $23 million a year, similar to what Maxx Crosbyreceived (a $23.5 million annual value) when the Las Vegas Raiders extended him last year."

On a potential financial incentive for Brian Burns to go to Training Camp while holding out now:

"By coming to training camp, Burns avoided the fines that Bosa and Kansas City Chiefs defensive lineman Chris Jones have racked up. The 49ers have said they would waive Bosa’s fines, which the NFLPA allows for players on their rookie deals."

On consequences if Burns continues to miss practice or potential games:

"The Panthers could fine Burns if he continues to skip practices. If he were to sit out games, he would forfeit nearly $890,000 a week — or 1/18th of his $16 million salary that was guaranteed when the Panthers picked up his fifth-year option.

On timeline for a resolution:

"Thompson believes a resolution is needed by Wednesday when the Panthers’ Week 1 work will begin in earnest: 'We know he’s gonna be out there at the end of the day,” he said. “He knows he’s gonna be out there at the end of the day. And everybody upstairs better know he’s gonna be out there by Wednesday. He’s a big factor (in) this defense. He’s the one it really starts with, him and Derrick (Brown). They’ll make it right.'"

He showed promise but had too many lowlights. Understandable to move on.

Wish him luck. I had high hopes for him. Maybe the Chiefs will bring that potential out.

20 hours ago, bythenbrs said:

On one protection during the Detroit game, BC passes his man off to Bozeman and steps back to pick-up the DE that beat Icky wide.  Whether that was planned or just situational awareness, damn, that was impressive.

Oh yeah, Brady has definitely shown great traits. Solid guy.

Overall, I think the o-line will be more akin to last season. I'd like to presume the first two preseason games were an anomaly rather than the norm.

Excited to see how they perform during the regular season.

Thielen TD!

Bryce looks so fugging natural out there. So excited to see his potential.

This guy is commentating? Ew.

LMAO they want the McCaffrey special.

Not gonna happen.

11 minutes ago, AceMan said:

The 2003 Carolina Panthers SB team went 4-0 in the preseason. The 2015 Carolina Panthers SB team went 3-1 in the preseason. Anomalies though!!

The 2008 Lions and 2017 Browns were 4-0 preseason warriors.

Guess their regular season record?

Yep. 0-16.

2009 Colts were 1-3 their preseason.

Their regular season record? 14-2, and went to the Superbowl.

What does this mean?

Preseason success does not indicate regular season success whatsoever.

While I'm pretty much on board with not making any judgments until the season starts, since schematic issues and miscommunication can be adjusted for, on 1v1 efforts it's a bit concerning to see the oline falter, especially Ekwonu.

I remember someone saying that a large reason for the o-lines success last year was due to a huge emphasis on the run. By allowing the o-line to use their strength and big bodies, they were able to be successful when they did not have to pass protect as much.

But when it comes to making athletic plays, the o-lines lack of such is evident when opponents use stunts and athletic maneuvering around them.

Now, part of that can be made up for with proper schematic placement and organization within the o-line. They need to be on the same page. Today's preseason showed a lot of miscommunication and mental errors, especially from Icky.

Hopefully it's just preseason jitters and not a continuing trend. I'm still firmly of the belief the staff will adjust and compensate for the team's weaknesses come regular season. There's too much experience not to.

Otherwise, a lot of questions will need to be answered for.

1 minute ago, PantherBoy95 said:

I'd be very curious to see the statistical correlation between preseason and regular/postseason success. 

It's pretty hard to correlate when coaches go into games with different mindsets.

Perhaps some coaches want to evaluate certain schemes in different situations, some may just want to get through it healthy, others may want to boost morale.

With the preseason hinging on a very wide variable of coach intent, it's hard to really get a good statistical hypothesis on team success based on that.

1 minute ago, Chief Keek said:

This is another game where the Offense looks better in the second half. Are Reich and Brown still splitting playcalling duties?

Yep, Brown's in charge of the second half.

1 minute ago, Bear Hands said:

A legit concern is that a lot of player are simply losing at the point of attack.  Position coaches need to get on that this next week.   

Yep, the only valid concern that I'm sure will be adjusted for and corrected.

15 minutes ago, Panthers Fan 69 said:

What game are you watching? Preseason regular season or flag football. These guys aren’t good. 

I'm watching a preseason game, where good teams don't care about the score and just want to get out of it healthy and a better idea of what their players look like in 1v1s.

Half effort? Who cares, as long as people are healthy. The players are clearly fine on the sidelines and not freaking out about the score. I suspect that they've been drilled to keep healthy, and to not worry so much about a preseason score.

It's preseason. Come cry if they look like this during the regular season and I'm ready to cry with you all. I expect the coaching staff to adjust when games count and for the team to look much better resultingly. If not, then it's panic mode time.

But for now, it's just typical preseason football. Not worried at all.

4 minutes ago, amcoolio said:

I get not showing anything in preseason, but the lack of execution is alarming. The defense in particular looks awful. Every unit. Hopefully they are just playing half-speed to limit injuries, because on basic 1 on 1 battles every defensive position group is getting smoked

Yep, another valid theory. Chances are perhaps the players have it drilled in them to consider their health above all during these meaningless preseason games. 

We don't know what the coaches plans are. A sign that the players are chill and relaxing on the sidelines indicates there's not much care to the score, but more so to get it out of the way until it really matters.

Again, doom and gloom if the Panthers look like this in September. I'd like to give a benefit of the doubt that perhaps, they may actually be much better when the games count.

Any coach that coaches to win in preseason and not evaluate weaknesses/strengths is a fool.

Again, preseason matters zilch. 2008 Colts proves it. Good coaches use preseason to evaluate, not win.

Nothing matters until the regular season. For those of y'all quitting before game one of the season, well I don't know what to tell you.