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I don't want to mortgage our future for Guentzel.  He is now "the top" forward, but I don't know if he gets us over the top.  He's good, but we also have to remember he's played with Crosby most of his career....

I like Buch better with term and probably a lower cost. 

I'd also look into what Vatrano and Reilly would cost.  Reilly just hasn't found his place in Pittsburgh, maybe he could here?

I think the Penguins would want Perets BTW - they are goalie needy too.

3 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

Right.  If Detroit really wants to compete in that division--with Love, Caleb Williams, and ???? in Minnesota--probably Wilson, they know they need an elite pass rush.  Burns at 25 for the 29th pick would be a steal for any GM. 

I think Burns would bring back more than just that #29 pick from Detroit, not a lot more but another pick or possibly a true depth guy for the team.

2 hours ago, kungfoodude said:

What are the odds we unload KK? Would like to get that salary off the books.

Honestly, when KK is playing well he is being paid fairly - it's just he needs to bring that kind of play every night.  He's inconsistent and won't reach the ceiling scouts thought he had, but (and I know people hate when someone says this about an athlete) he has flashes/games where he has shown what he is capable of.

I spoke about trading Pesce or Skjei, but we just can't this year even though I believe the time is somewhat right to move on from Pesce as much as I like him....Skjei is the better player we need to retain.

I agree with Chief above that I would be willing to move Morrow and Philly's 2nd round pick we own this year and maybe a second or third in 2025 for a scorer a la Guentzel or Buchnevic.  Less for the other forwards on the market.  I would hope if we do trade Morrow we sign Chatty and Skjei in the off season because I believe we may be one D man down to start 24-25.

2 hours ago, kungfoodude said:

What are the odds we unload KK? Would like to get that salary off the books.

Honestly, when KK is playing well he is being paid fairly - it's just he needs to bring that kind of play every night.  He's inconsistent and won't reach the ceiling scouts thought he had, but (and I know people hate when someone says this about an athlete) he has flashes/games where he has shown what he is capable of.

I spoke about trading Pesce or Skjei, but we just can't this year even though I believe the time is somewhat right to move on from Pesce as much as I like him....Skjei is the better player we need to retain.

I agree with Chief above that I would be willing to move Morrow and Philly's 2nd round pick we own this year and maybe a second or third in 2025 for a scorer a la Guentzel or Buchnevic.  Less for the other forwards on the market.  I would hope if we do trade Morrow we sign Chatty and Skjei in the off season because I believe we may be one D man down to start 24-25.

No Pono or Nikishin.

We have some other prospects and draft picks that can get us there I believe.

8 hours ago, panthers81 said:

I'm in the camp of let's wait and see what this week brings. That 3rd period vs the jets is a one off, no way is that a metric to justify throwing in the towel on Necas or Jarvy. I feel like you'll have to move one of them if you're going to get an impact scorer. I think they need to make a move but I don't want to move any of our forwards lol Maybe throw TDA or Pecse with Pono out there and see what you can get in return. 

I don't want to throw in Pono on any deal because I think he has upside that hasn't had a chance to be seen.  I think it would be a mistake.

TDA is definitely out there for a trade and I'd almost think that whatever is going on in the background with Pesce and Skjei could make them available although it would have to be for the best forward on the market.  Pesce hasn't had a great season and doesn't have the leverage he had before the season started.

TDA, Raanta, maybe Suzuki and maybe a 2nd round draft pick is what we have that I can see us using for a trade.  Maybe Pesce to land a top 6 forward.  I'd also include KK at this point, but I am not sure there is much of a market for him - I don't think he'll ever get to where scouts had his ceiling.

I was a little surprised we'd pay $1.3M for a 6th round pick to help out Toronto, but did we also do it to curry favor with the Ducks?  There are possibly 3 targets on the Ducks that *could* help the team:  Henrique, Vatrano, and a flier here:  Zegras.

Not saying this was the reason, but a 6th round pick barely moves the needle in any kind of trade and the chances of hitting on a player as a 6th rounder is low, low, low...although I will say the Canes have been very good at picking players and stashing them when they have some belief they will develop further.

3 hours ago, Harbingers said:

So Vancouver essentially talked him down 400,000?

The magical powers of Jim Rutherford. 

15 hours ago, MillionDollarCam said:

No inside info but I think the package would have been something like Necas, Nikishin, Nadeau, two first round picks, and one second round pick.

and that is way too much for EP who wants somewhere in the neighborhood of $12M/year. 

He doesn't fit with our salary structure and isn't worth everything you listed, especially Nikishin, 2 1st round picks and a 2nd?  That is crazy on our part.

Necas, a prospect not named Nikishin, and a draft pick maybe, but for EP for the playoffs and then having to make sure to be able to extend him for the $$ he is looking for is a pass for me.

2 minutes ago, Stingray3030 said:

This is actually better for us on the Burns situation - non-exclusive tag him....teams are more likely to give him $30M which means TWO FIRST ROUND PICKS FOR US.  We have to build this team to win in 2-3 years, not 2024.....there is ZERO chance we can gather enough assets this offseason....we need picks and cash for 2025.  This would solve both issues

I think it's more realistic that we tag and trade rather than non-exclusive tag him.  I don't know of any team that has an appetite for giving 2 1st rounders and Burns the $$$ he wants.  I may be totally wrong, but we aren't talking about an elite QB here (who had shown multiple seasons of being great).

Bridges needs to just behave and understand he's a professional.  The Hornets need to re-sign him, that's the best move.

Hornets did what they needed to do before and at the trade deadline - good moves for the team moving forward.

I know the season is far from over, but I do want to see how the new ownership directs the new GM/President of Basketball operations now that Kupchak has stepped down.

I actually have some excitement for the Hornets now.....go figure!

$25M is the max I would offer, anything more than that is insane....and that $25M offer is being overly kind to the performance he has given the last few years w/o Reddick on the other edge. 

Otherwise, trade him - tell him and his team to go find a team that really wants him and will sign him.  If you can't get what is fair tag him and then trade him. 

10 minutes ago, rayzor said:

I just don't want to mess with it.

Tag and trade sounds like a good idea ...but what if you can't get a trade partner then you're stuck.

I mean it's not like it would be as hard as letting pep go because he was such a part of our identity.

Burns ain't no pep. Just cut bait. Not worth the cost or risk of cost.

Burns ain't half a pep.  Tagging him would put him in a reasonable contract for next season and some edge needy team would (or should) give us something of value for him to have him around $20M and have the rights to negotiate with him.....let him be their headache. 

He should have put up the numbers this past season, instead he had one really good game and then played it safe.  He is not worth $30M until he actually shows he is, which I don't think he can.  Hell, Hassan Reddick is a much better player than Burns and can't get into the $20Ms. 

I can't believe we are losing so much........

/s

6 minutes ago, Davidson Deac II said:

I agree that they played well.  Held the best qb in the league to 25 points in five qtrs, and one td was caused by a muffed punt.  

I disagree that they don't make it without him.  They almost made it last year but got screwed at the qb position.  

I agree Wilks called a great 3.5 quarters - unfortunately the game is 4 quarters and crazy things like that misplayed/muffed punt played a part in the Chiefs being able to come back.

I wholeheartedly agree that the 49ers defense was the most talented in the NFL this year and *if* Ryans was back they would have won that Super Bowl.  The personnel on this years 49ers defense was better than last year's.  The injuries were unfortunate, especially to Greenlaw - but I still cannot for the life of me figure out why he went zone - whether it be cloud, cover 2, cover 0.  They were doing what they needed to do to beat the Chiefs:  keep Kelce in check, stuff Pacheco, and keep Mahomes in the pocket.  They abandoned it late in the 3rd quarter, into the 4th and OT. 

Wilks and the D aren't the only reason SF lost that game, but I guarantee you there were players on the 49ers D who didn't think Wilks was the right guy along with Shanahan and most likely the 49ers FO.

3 minutes ago, csx said:

The going soft debate here is interesting.

1. Rivera is responsible but not McDermott

2. Wilks is responsible but not Shanahan 

 

Rivera was the head coach when McDermott was the DC and despite Riverboat making McDermott play zone our defense was the best I can remember in this century with McDermott as DC.

Shanahan is the HC not the DC and as far as we know, he only called a timeout once to tell Wilks not to play cover 0.

5 minutes ago, RumHam said:

They switched to zone later in the game for no reason

This, this, this - cover 0 cloud which Mahomey took advantage of a couple of time.  Even when he was with Ron they would go to that soft azz zone and try to just keep the lead.  Rivera and Wilks are two peas in a pod.

9 hours ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

Wilks did really well until that cover zero prevent defense crap. As soon as that started, I knew Reid was going to tear him apart. The one thing you don't want to give Mahomes is an easy open middle of the field. Play the game that's been successful all night. Don't change just because it's the 4th quarter. 

Old habits die hard.  Honestly, the Chiefs didn't take as much advantage of that cover prevent soft zone than they could have....of course they didn't have great wide receivers.

12 hours ago, Kuhndog94 said:

Lol. Did he fug all of yalls girls before he left Carolina or what? 

The hate he gets here is unreal.

I think most of us realize he dogged his last few years here.  Yeah, he was playing for an imbecile coaching staff, but he didn't play for the fans or his teammates.  I can never support a dude like that.

He wanted to go west, his woman wanted to be anywhere but Carolina, and he got his choice of the Rams or 49ers and of couse he chose Shanahan and his "extended family."  I don't wish injury on him, but I am glad he didn't get a ring and I hope he never does with the 49ers.

Call me a hater, I call it like I see it.

35 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Yeah, he was considered a legit 1st rounder. Everyone raved about his arm talent and backyard football abilities but everyone also rightfully questioned how that would translate to the NFL. That style of play has always meant having to stomach high turnover numbers before Mahomes showed up. The guy is a cheat code. You're not supposed to be able to play like he does without turning the ball over.

They also wondered if he was a "system" QB - but with that arm most scouts knew better.

2 minutes ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

49ers offense was bad the entire game.

 

Expecting Wilks to save them the entire game + overtime was asking for trouble.

 

Purdy is a game manager.

I don't think the 49ers offense was quite as bad as you say.  They played pretty well, it wasn't like they didn't move the ball.  The game went to OT!

Just now, SmokinwithWilly said:

Wilks called a hell of a game but Reid took him to school on the last drive. 

Agree with this, KC was able to stay in the game because of a couple of times Wilks had his D go into zone.

That's why I would want Wilks as a HC and not my DC. 

1 minute ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

You need help seriously. Blaming that game on Wilks shows your true character.

 

49ers offense stalled all game and you blame Wilks for that?

Wilks went to his old ways, in fact Shanahan called a timeout to get Wilks to get their D outta cover zero/zone cloud when KC had the ball in OT.

Weird that Reid went empty backfield like you said Gorge.  2 Plays in a row, no PA or anything.