Aussie Tank

1 hour ago, MHS831 said:

Yes, it sure was.  He just gave me 2 days worth of homework.  I would add that cutting players to increase cap room is a bit misleading because you still have to fill 53 jerseys--so if you cut a guy and benefit by $1m, who are you replacing him with?

If the front office really liked Bryce at the end of the year and want to free up cash and attack free agency. Making sure the contracts are moveable once Bryce comes off his rookie deal I'm all for taking a swing 

1 minute ago, tukafan21 said:

LOL

If you think throwing the deep ball in college is remotely the same thing as the NFL, then you're just lying to yourself.  College defenses SUCK, it's why you see absurd scoring numbers and huge plays on a constant basis.  

It's an undeniable fact that Bryce doesn't have a cannon for an arm, trying to argue that Bryce has the arm to take advantage of a true speedster to take the top off the defense is the worst argument anyone can make to help their credibility.

This has nothing to do with my love of T-Mac or my feelings about Bryce in general.  He has a weak arm, he doesn't have the ability to just throw the ball past the defense and let his WR chase the ball down, which is what people are asking for when they say they want that type of WR.

When people refuse to just admit painfully obvious things like that, it's just a bad look.  You can LOVE a player while still acknowledging their biggest weakness, and with Bryce, it's his ability to throw the deep ball.

You seem to think playing WR in college is the same as the pros

Nice read 

6 minutes ago, ncfan said:

Bpa

Gettleman would 100000% take Tet

 

Hogmollie lad 

13 minutes ago, tukafan21 said:

I swear to god, this has been said so many times by people on here, and I have to call it out for what it is, utter and complete nonsense.

This isn't even me pushing for my guy again, it's just dumb.  

Bryce doesn't have a cannon for an arm, he literally couldn't even properly take advantage of the type of player you're talking about here if he wanted to.  If you want to say we need an uber quick fast twitch WR to get the ball into their hands and let their speed make plays, that's totally fair.  

But to say we need that true speedster deep threat (and I know you didn't include "speedster" but if you're saying "true deep threat" instead of a "jump ball guy" it's clearly what you mean) is just nonsense when our QB has probably the weakest arm of any starting QB (and again, think what you will about Bryce's potential, that's just an indisputable fact).

Honestly, I have no idea what people are watching when they say stuff like this

Basically every single "expert analysis" of T-Mac as a prospect talks about how he's surprisingly fluid and a threat after the catch for a player of his size.  If you want to talk about his speed and how fast/slow he looks to you, that's something I can't knock as yes, his overall speed is his one main weakness.

But to say Evans looked more fluid than T-Mac is again, just literal nonsense, everything else you think about him as a prospect aside.

You don't fight a garbage take with another garbage take Bryce fed Jamison Williams deep all day in college so he can do it 

I'd love to trade back if the best players available are OT or Jeanty. But if teams are trying to move up for because one of the better prospects slipped were better off taking them 

Well you can see why teams stayed away after his talent dipped 

1 minute ago, MHS831 said:

Have not read entire thread--could this mean they are going to deal Horn or not sign him to an extended deal?  He has been a bit injury prone, and maybe they do not want to pay full price for an elite CB who can only be on the field half the time. 

Imagine they trade Horn for a second rounder, draft Johnson and sign Jackson--that saves you about $20m or so (guessing) and you have the CB spot locked up.  The $20m could go to an elite WR, and you could then grab an edge and a DT-type in round 2. 

I don't know, but I imagine they are having talks about Horn's contract demands and his injury history.

Player swap Horn for Garrett Wilson 

I wouldn't hate it if the draft capital side is reasonable teams can always work the salary. He would become our No1 WR and would be fantastic in the backfield on our 2 RB packages. Health permitting of course 

12 minutes ago, CPF4LIFE said:

Landon jackson wont make it to our pick in the second. Thats the problem with waiting. 

I can't see us staying at the bottom of the second with all our mid picks 

15 minutes ago, Jackie Lee said:

After watching last night how could you do anything but take the best pass rusher possible? If one isn't there trade back and grab two and maybe one will be legit lol. It's a huge problem. I miss Monsters Inc

Some of the best yesterday weren't 1st round picks and I don't think there will be a Jalen Carter at 8. So if Will Johnson is best player available take him.

4 hours ago, tukafan21 said:

If this were remotely true, he'd be widely viewed as the unanimous #1 pick in this draft.

The fact that that's just not the case, tells me this is an incorrect statement.

The fact that he falls into the 2nd round in some mocks, tells me this is a widely absurd statement.  I can't get on board with a player that polarizing at #8, just can't do it.

You should be the last person knocking someone for saying outlandish stuff for thier draft crush hahahaha

I really would like to add a couple of these Eagles defenders this offseason 

Fingers crossed Kelce retires after this 

1 minute ago, rayzor said:

I'm sorry but I love this.

Not the only one mate 

1 minute ago, Hoenheim said:

We need to pick up at least 1 player from the Eagles defense this free agency. I'd say Zach Baun or Josh Sweat are the most likely candidates. 

Milton Williams 

Who would have thought instant pressure is bad for a QB. Even the best in the world 

I really like that Stutsman

10 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

I think the draft has some talent at WR--just not at the top of it. 

Great talent in the middle of the draft

2 hours ago, TheSpecialJuan said:

 

That was a great interview. Finally some questions with substance 

4 minutes ago, tukafan21 said:

Tiring because I keep proving your talking points wrong with stats, actual data, and what the "experts" said about both players at the same point in their football careers?

You're dying on the hill of "Evans prime was as a true elite player" which just by itself, woefully incorrect, T-Mac comparisons aside.  I'm not going to go through every player's seasons since Evans came into the league, but I'd be willing to bet money that Evans' best statistical season wouldn't crack the Top 15, maybe not even the Top 20, of individual WR seasons in that same time frame.

His BEST season was 96 rec, 1,321 yds, 12 TDs... which likely would have only been tied for the 3rd best WR season this year alone with Amon-Ra's 115, 1,263, 12 stat line and behind Chase/Jefferson's 127/103, 1,708/1,533, 17/10 lines.

You're also basically arguing against every player because every player COULD turn out to be a bust, but there is nothing in T-Mac's film or draft profile that suggests he is going to be a bust in general, but even more so when you directly compare him to Evans as a NFL draft prospect as the only knocks you could put on T-Mac is the exact same negatives Evans had.

You keep leaning back on what he's done in the NFL, which is just asinine to use when comparing players as prospects.  It would be like saying Josh Rosen wasn't a better prospect coming out of college than Tom Brady.

If you disregard what either did in the NFL, there isn't a single scout or analyst that ever would say Brady was a better prospect.  And yes, I realize the extreme of that example, but the concept is the same, you can't look at a single thing Evans has done in his NFL career if you're trying to just compare them as prospects coming out of college.

Yeah I'm the one dying on the hill for a player. I just provided Evans as his best possible outcome going off TMacs size and play. Your the one saying his peak is gonna be better than Evans 

Yes you certainly do keep throwing stats out and like so many other highly toughted WRs with great stats that didn't go to your Alma mater. They have a higher chance of busting than being peak Mike Evans 

7 minutes ago, tukafan21 said:

Yes, Evans is bigger and stronger, but T-Mac has better hands and more shiftiness (can't think of the proper term there, but you know what I mean).

Cool, Evans had a huge game against a #1 ranked team, that doesn't mean he did better against better competition (it doesn't mean he didn't either, but one game doesn't make a career or prospect).  Again, T-Mac had solidly better stats in college than Evans had (and that's before even mentioning that Evans had a literal Heisman winner as his QB), so pulling out a single game doesn't mean much (and I'd say the same thing if it was reversed, I don't put much stock into a single game for anyone).

Also, you say you're giving the speed a push because we haven't seen T-Mac's combine time yet.

So how about this from an article from before this season that said T-Mac's top game speed during his first 2 years in school topped out at 21.8 MPH.

Which btw, would have come in at tied for the 7th fastest player speed in the NFL this past season.

And for comparisons sake, from a few initial searches, it looks like Evans' top game speed in his career was 20.6 MPH.

It's like I've said too many times to count.  No, T-Mac doesn't have elite short distance speed, he's 6'5", it would be crazy if he did.  But once he gets into his strides, he's shockingly fast for a player of his size and routinely runs away from defenders after the catch.  It's right there in his tape if you spend the time to watch all of it and not just his contested catch highlights.

All this back and forth is getting tiring. I'm just gonna say this i think your too high too early on the bloke simple as that. And I can't sit here and say that his prime is gonna be better than Evans prime when quality sure fire WRs bust all the time 

21 minutes ago, tukafan21 said:

You literally haven't said one thing yet to explain your views on Evans being a better prospect.

T-Mac had better stats and has less negatives in his draft profiles when comparing the two, but you still keep saying that.  If anything, they both had the same speed/separation question marks, but T-Mac is universally lauded for having unreal hands while that was a question mark for Evans coming out.

So, please explain then what makes T-Mac a lesser prospect than Evans and you can't say a single thing about Evans long term health to allow him to compile a HOF resume in the NFL as that's a ludicrous argument to use when comparing them as prospects, like you keep claiming Evans was the better prospect.

Alright then Evans was bigger, stronger and im gonna give thier speed a push until the combine. Your college stats Evans did his against better competition near 300 yards in a game against Alabama when they were the No1 seeded side in college. 

And this is where I can't see how you can say TMac has a higher ceiling than Prime Mike Evans YET. Is because we've seen Evans do it and prove the scouting reports wrong and do it against the best in the world. 

Hell you could come out and say Savion Williams could have a better peak season than all of them because he's huge a physical phenomenon with very good contested catch percentages. But the chances of that are slim to fug all 

2 minutes ago, tukafan21 said:

You know what... just did a little more research and just saw this breakdown of T-Mac's weaknesses, just thought it was fair to put both sides out there........

Monotone mover with pedestrian speed -- cannot separate vertically or pull away from the pack. Unsudden acceleration. Stiff hips. Will have to make a living in traffic at the next level -- will struggle to separate vs. quick-twitch NFL cornerbacks. Did not run a full route tree and could require patience learning the nuances of refined route running. Backyard element to his college success -- must become savvier instead of depending on superior size and improvisational production. Can be hotheaded and lose control of his emotions. Basketball was first love.

 

Oh... shoot, you know what, I made a mistake, I accidentally copied and pasted another one of Evan's draft profiles coming out of school, my bad.

Yes your getting there. Same concerns and TMac is a lesser prospect. Now if you draft TMac you hope he turns into Mike Evans and not K'neal Harry 

35 minutes ago, tukafan21 said:

Exactly

I don't know why it's so hard to understand that Evans had an elite career, a HOF career, but he was never truly an elite player at any given time during his career.  

He had a couple years where he was right there on the boarder of great to elite, but even then, I can't not fall back on, two 2nd team all pro's and never been a 1st.  This isn't the pro bowl voting where it's a joke, even if you disagree with who was left off an all pro team, it's hard to argue removing those who beat them out.

If those voters never saw him as a Top 3 WR in any season and only twice saw him as a Top 6 WR, how are you going to say he was ever a real elite player?

Oh I understand fully you point. I still just can't wrap my head around how you can say he has a higher ceiling than Mike Evans when he's smaller and gonna have to run sub 4.53 to be faster and has separation issues. 

I just feel you're very premature in knighting the man