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21 minutes ago, dep said:

what's a lie?

You are being deliberately obtuse because no one can be that dense.

2 minutes ago, dep said:

if you point that out they'll say you're a Bryce stan 

Because it is a lie.

1 hour ago, musicman said:

Small minded response. Of course he's not going to get bigger. But if he shows continuous progress it MIGHT take him another year or 2 to reach a top 10 or so QB. We invested too much into him and he is not a bust and actually has better stats than CJ for the last 17 games. H'es not a bust he just may not be a #1 draft pick worthy but most aren't. 

Yes, he is a bust. He is not worth what we paid to draft him, he is not worth picking up the 5th year option, and he is definitely not worth an extension. All things considered, a bust.

Man, now Bryce can’t even be tackled I guess. He truly does get protected and coddled like no one else.

21 minutes ago, frankw said:

Well hold on let's pause for a second and establish some things first since we're on the subject of "cop outs with no room for nuance".

Our own QB has 37 games under his belt. Many of them are either subpar or just plain bad. We only just this past Sunday won our 2nd road game in his career. But months and months of contentious discussion since his rookie season has largely resulted in the oft used argument that Bryce Young's struggles were due to the coaching and players around him and ultimately he couldn't be blamed. But now apparently it seems like you folks have fully tossed that out and are actively blaming Stroud while wholly omitting contributing circumstances around him. So which is one it?????

As far as Brees. Look I've got to be direct here. I cannot stand that guy. But I would have to concede that he had a significantly better arm than Bryce Young. I mean it's not even close. Plus as much as it annoys me to say it's clear Drew Brees wasn't afraid to hit the weight room either.

And Baker has obviously always had arm talent that showed on the tape even when he was struggling or being a tool.

Acknowledging all of this is the first step in gaining a firm footing in reality with the rest of us.

There just isn’t any reasoning with some of these Bryce Stans. I appreciate you fighting the good fight though.

1 hour ago, kungfoodude said:

Banking your hopes on a couch FA that has a cup of tea NFL career to date as an almost 31 year old QB is certainly something. Especially when you consider that he has spent literally zero time in our offense so far.

I think that White might be solid competition and possibly be better than Hendon Hooker, which is certainly a very low bar to clear. 

That's probably about where the level is for White. He's a potential upgrade to our PS QB.

For real. Where is Brian St. Pierre when you need him? He is probably still looking for his arm that fell off after one game with Foxy.

54 minutes ago, Basbear said:

Great episode of DEXTER.

A QB like Goff would be perfect for the offense Canales wants to run.

3 hours ago, TD alt said:

No, it doesn't. For you to be talking a little smack after what amounts to X's best game just shows me that you're more interested in clowning than actual analysis. 

Am I glad that X had a game that was more than 60-something yards the first time in his career? You're damned right I am. Hopefully he can be consistent with the production. Does X still have a lot to work on? Yes he does. I'm not crazy about the body catching and jumping to catch passes, but perhaps he can make it work.  

If you saw my post in the other thread today, you would know that if anything, I am suspecting that X makes a better possession guy than outside guy (and there is nothing wrong with that at the end of the day as long as he's productive), but I thought that he'd be more than that. You'd also have seen that I suspect that Bryce and he aren't necessarily the best pairing. You d have also seen that not only do I suspect that Bryce has a limiting effect on X's YAC, but all the receivers' YAC optimization, as well as the coaches' offensive tool bags as well. I could be wrong, but that s just how I see it. 

I've also said that my realization that I like or dislike a player on the football field is not a static proposition. They can play better, and I can praise them, as much as I can criticize them for consistently sucking. 

X had a good game to be sure, but they'll have to come at a much more consistent pace---basically become the norm, as is the expectation for a WR2 (or 1). To say that I'm "wrong," based upon one game out of seven (not to mention an uninsping rookie year where he was injured for a bit) is getting way ahead of yourself.

Lastly, I want X to do well. I want Bryce to do well. I'm still not holding my breath that either one of them will live up to their draft status, but if they do, I will praise the Lord. 

Come on man, you know there is no place for nuanced thinking and analysis here on the huddle. It’s just a bunch of clowns thinking in black or white terms and wanting to beat their chests and scream about how right they are and how wrong everyone else is.

5 minutes ago, TheSpecialJuan said:

bad news is Damien Lewis might not play 

Damn that probably means Corbett will take his spot. I was hoping his fat ass would stay parked on the bench.

It will be nice to have Coker back. I like his game.

34 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

It's a good analysis, though

Certainly it was nothing new that hasn't been discussed over and over on here.

7 hours ago, fieryprophet said:

That was fully intentional, because something people who engage in hyperbole can't stand is to be systematically told why and how they don't have a clue. It's the prevalence of this farcical idea that everyone's opinions are valid and the more impassioned they are about them, the more valid they are.

And the point of the post wasn't merely to cut the knees of the exaggerators, but to illustrate why it shouldn't seem miraculous that someone like Mayfield and Darnold could come through Charlotte and fail and then suddenly seem much more successful elsewhere, when the reality is that there's far more to being successful at that position than one's own talent. It's also why young quarterbacks like Caleb Williams and Cam Ward deserve much longer leashes to determine their long-term viability and not be written off immediately, because the circumstances surrounding them are hardly conducive to success.

Yes, in the absence of your big brain, those points have been discussed ad nauseum around here. Most stable individuals can see that the org sucks since Tepper took over. We can’t change that fact so we debate Bryce’s viability as a QB into oblivion. Bryce has shown the occasional flash but it is year 3 and decisions have to be made. I personally don’t think he’s cut out for this but as a fan of the Panthers I hope that somehow it works.

Pick the guys that produce on the field, even if they do not have the RAS score that another guy might have. Nothing can replace production. It was mentioned above, but getting productive players from big schools will usually translate to NFL success.

45 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Also, has anyone noticed how legitimately insane OP's post actually is?

It's taking credit(tongue in cheek, hopefully?) for some funny event from Huddle past, then explaining that because they now work for PFF they have some sort of super brain knowledge of football that they hadn't before. 

It's actually mostly condescending in a way that lacks a lot of self awareness for.....a PFF stat nerd.

And I say that as a stat nerd myself.

The post was incredibly condescending and the OP came off as a huge Richard.

Look at me! I'm the smartest guy in the room! Everyone else here are idiots!

Nice research. The Bryce GWD nonsense is just a lazy narrative for the Stans to prop up the little guy. Miami was probably the best of those but he’s the reason we were behind in the first place and had Rico producing a historic game running the ball.

Stubborn coaches who are resistant to change even when things are not working well really annoy me.

12 minutes ago, outlaw4 said:

Hopefully, this meeting doesn't end up as a miss like a Brian Burns sack.

Well it already worked since they held the meeting before the Dolphins game and had more sacks in that one game than the previous 4 games combined.

His quickness is amazing for a man that size. 

3 minutes ago, cranky said:

Just tired of the Panthers going form one QB, to another to another to another to another to another to another. They had mayfiled but he wasn't good enough for anyone around here. They had Darnold but again, he wan't good enough for anyone around here. Now it's Bryce. I saw what he is capable of last season with Theilen and Coker. I'm not ready to give up on him simply because he's not performing to the same level with rookies, undrafted free agents and a reclamation project.

Plenty of folks wanted to hang on to Baker and Sam, especially Baker as he had already produced and been successful with a historically poor franchise. That was all Rhule being the idiot that he is famous for. Hanging on to a meh, unathletic, tiny QB with a weak arm and beta personality will only continue to torpedo this franchise into oblivion.

That little post game speech he gave over the stadium PA system was so meek, bland, uninspiring and milquetoast that it made me want to puke. We just pulled off the biggest comeback in franchise history and this dude sits there looking like he has to pee. Please please please let’s move on to whoever is next.

This cranky person is either a close relative of Bryce or else has a massive man crush on him. 

Have you actually watched him play? This is laughable.

Tuka gonna die on the hill he built lol