FakePlasticTrees

I like the agressiveness. However, I fear that Young will be the pick. I simply think that he lacks the frame to thrive for long in the NFL. I honestly believe his playing weight is @185 pounds. If he is the pick I pray that I am wrong. I do not think that I am though. I really hoped that the Panthers would trade up to number 3 so that somebody else would draft Young.

Fingers crossed that the experience and knowledge of this offensive coaching staff will lead to the right decision....whatever that might be.

I think that he is undervalued in most mock drafts. He would be a good get for the Panthers.

56 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

They are shopping for a QB, and if they all agree on one, they will go get him and the price will be what they will pay.  So I agree.

I think there is already a sign that we like a QB in this draft because we did not really pursue Carr and we have not shown Darnold interest.  I think they have a guy---or two---or three that they feel comfortable with.

And to all of you who have dismissed Young because he is small--Doug Flutie was this size.  Kyler Murray is this size.  Russell Wilson is 5'11. Sonny Jurgeson was 5'11.  Not many to choose from, but the new NFL may not depend on height as much as we are conditioned to think.  While they may not be the most successful QBs in the league, I guess the point is, it has been done, but the population size is rather small (pun intended).

FWIW, Reich and McCown are 6' 4".

Whoever drafts Young will be making a huge mistake. His height is a worry; however, his weight is an even bigger worry. Combine that with average, at best, arm talent and you have a big problem. He has the intellect, some intangibles and seems like a great kid. Those positives provide only a very limited shield from the violent realities of the NFL.

Doug Flutie is a flawed comparison. Wilson had an inch and much more weight. Murray has mobility and speed that Young lacks. Furthermore, I have my doubts about Murray's longevity as well.

31 minutes ago, therealmjl said:

Blah blah big arm big body nfl frame blah. Spare me with that. 

Bryce Young is HIM. Period.

I hope not. He seems like a great kid. However,  that frame will betray him in the NFL.

If we take Bryce Young we will be making a colossal mistake. Small frame and  medium, at best, arm talent.  That mistake would be heightened by the fact that three QBs with NFL frames and great arm talent are available and will be drafted early.

I hope the Panthers don’t make the mistake of drafting him. He had great success at the college level playing for a team that tended  to have much greater talent than the team they were playing. Size does matter. Actually, I think it matters a lot.

Hard pass.

6 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

Of course they will.  We would get raped. There's not a qb is this draft worth getting raped over.

I will go on record and say that there has never been a quaterback in the history of quaterbacks worth getting raped over.

36 minutes ago, rayzor said:

so we're going to jay glazer for advice?

oye vey.

I think Payton is still under contract with New Orleans and thus it would be tampering for the Panthers to tal to him directly. It is not tampering to talk to others with a close connection to someone under contract. Payton will want a big market job with a franchise QB. That is not Carolina. 

The Dallas Cowboys are being predicted to say goodbye to a major piece of the offense in a trade with the Carolina Panthers.

Throughout the offseason, there were questions at the tight end position due to a few factors: veteran tight end Blake Jarwin was released, Dalton Schultz’s rookie contract had ran its course and he was in need of a new deal, and the Cowboys added Jake Ferguson in the fourth round of the 2022 NFL draft.

https://heavy.com/sports/dallas-cowboys/trade-rumors-carolina-panthers-dalton-schultz/

Just now, poundaway said:

Yeah, all this says is the draftniks agree with our pick valuation.  It doesn't mean anybody is right.

Indeed, time will tell. The truth will be revealed. I am optimistic though. That was certainly not the case before the draft. 

The truth is that you never really know how these players will play in the future. There are so many variables. However, you can analyze draft results by comparing draft choices to the perceived value that a player brings to the table. It is by no means an exact science. However, I came into this draft depressed and relatively disinterested. I now have a bit of hope and a renewed interest.

5 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

How do they calculate return on investment?  That seems odd

This might not initially pass the smell test as there has been a lot of praise of the Ravens’ and Jets’ drafts, neither of which grabs the top spot here. But it does make sense. Those two teams do have two of the three highest totals in capital acquired from the draft, and the big names they’ve added will be exciting for fans to follow.

But those players didn’t come for free. The Ravens had to trade away their top receiver for one of those picks, while the Jets had to deal Jamal Adams. The board doesn’t judge the efficacy of those trades and assumes every trade is fair value, though anybody is free to mentally adjust their perceptions of those trades into their calculation of the picks.

Instead, it accounts for the fact that the Jets ended up with three first-round picks — and therefore three first-round values. The Jets acquired a good player in Ahmad Gardner, but that player was ranked lower than where the Jets picked, a loss in value (a relatively minor one, but it is worth noting). On top of that, grabbing the 37th-ranked player at 37 overall would normally be a wash. But as it was a running back going to a team not perceived to need one, it hurts the board’s opinion of the draft haul. It looks like a good draft, just not one of the best based on the assets with which they entered the draft.

As a percentage of capital had in the draft, the Panthers come out on top having gained value on each of their five picks. While the bonus for quarterbacks and the boon of landing Ikem Ekwonu at sixth overall helps in a big way, they happened to secure players at needs that were important positions and were graded well by experts across the league.

The Cardinals in second place weren’t quite as consistent; they lost a small amount of value with Trey McBride, Keaontay Ingram and Christian Matthew, but they more than gained it back with Cameron Thomas, Marquis Hayes and Myjai Sanders.

Unusually, the Seahawks placed in the top five — they have typically picked against the board — and their class is highlighted by value picks in Tariq Woolen and Boye Mafe. The Chiefs did even better and only lost value on two of their 10 picks (one of which didn’t impact things much at all, as it was the third-to-last pick in the draft). Karlaftis, Darian Kinnard, Leo Chenal and Skyy Moore were well regarded by the board.

At the bottom are the Patriots, Rams, Broncos, Buccaneers and Jaguars. The Patriots are simple to explain: They only gained value with two of their pics, Bailey Zappe and Andrew Stueber, and those were minor value gains at that. Instead, they followed big loss after big loss with the picks of Strange in the first round, Tyquan Thornton in the second, Marcus Jones in the third and Jack Jones in the fourth.

The Rams actually had an advantage in this exercise, as it’s easier to gain value when picking later because teams can snap up falling players. But despite not having a pick until selection No. 104, they went well against the board. Logan Bruss was a reach of about 85 spots in the rankings, and Decobie Durant was a reach of about 100. That said, the model is overly harsh to players ranked outside the top 400, and it really shouldn’t be a big issue that a team invests seventh-round picks in players who would be ranked 412th. Really, all this means is that the Rams had only two opportunities to grab value by the board’s standards, and they didn’t take advantage of those opportunities.

The Broncos did gain value with Nik Bonitto and Damarri Mathis but had one of the bigger losses of the night when they took Montrell Washington at 162. Picks like Luke Wattenburg at 171 and Eyioma Uwazurike at 116 hurt as well.

The Buccaneers had one of the better picks on Day 3 with Zyon McCollum at 157, but their other picks were problems. Camarda was already discussed, but there was also Luke Goedeke, drafted 57th as the 100th-ranked player.

Jacksonville’s biggest miss was already discussed, and with only four other picks on hand, it couldn’t do much to make up ground. The Jags didn’t make a single pick with positive value.

New Orleans destroying New England in Foxboro should add a lot more luster to the New Orleans win. Win next week on the road in the face of adversity borne of injury and the record qualifiers should dissipate.

I buy into the idea that winning next week gives proper meaning to this week's win. The Panthers have experienced their first real adversity of the season with two key players getting injured. Fortunately, they have extra time to prepare for Dallas and develop a plan to overcome this week's adversity. 

Also, I believe Dallas will come into next week's game after a short week.

The Panthers are 3-0 and have not really put two solid scoring halves of football together in the same game. Perhaps that will come against Dallas.

Dallas Cowboys @ Tampa Bay Buccaneers W

Philadelphia Eagles @ Atlanta Falcons W

Pittsburgh Steelers @ Buffalo Bills W

W Minnesota Vikings @ Cincinnati Bengals

W San Francisco 49ers @ Detroit Lions

Arizona Cardinals @ Tennessee Titans W

W Seattle Seahawks @ Indianapolis Colts

W Los Angeles Chargers @ Washington Football Team

New York Jets @ Carolina Panthers W

W Jacksonville Jaguars @ Houston Texans

Cleveland Browns @ Kansas City Chiefs W

Miami Dolphins W @ New England 

W Green Bay Packers @ New Orleans Saints

W Denver Broncos @ New York Giants

Chicago Bears @ Los Angeles Rams W

Baltimore Ravens @ Las Vegas Raiders W

That makes it five SEC players drafted by the Carolina Panthers.

I love this pick at that spot. Two Gamecocks drafted by the Panthers.

I love this pick and am shocked that he fell this far.

4 minutes ago, FakePlasticTrees said:

This draft will be more defined by what the Panthers did not do than what they did do. The Panthers chose not to draft Fields and effectively doubled down on Darnold. For the life of me I simply do not understand the confidence in Darnold. I understand the argument that he was playing on a bad team. However, history is replete with examples of QBs that played on bad teams but still themselves showed improvement and played well. With time Darnold regressed and played even more poorly. 

Do I think Darnold has a higher ceiling than Bridgewater? Yes, absolutely. However, I have seen nothing that leads me to believe that he is a Super Bowl caliber QB. Why not live what you preached? The Panthers said that signing gave the Panthers maximum flexibility come draft day. It appeared to me that was simply not the case. The Panthers passed on Fields in large part because Darnold was signed and when Sewell was drafted they were stuck. They probably tried to trade down to no avail.

I am a fan of Horn. I also know that he is not a QB. Furthermore, this team is just spinning its wheels without a franchise QB.

This just has the feel of the Panthers being stuck in QB purgatory. Good enough to win occasionally but not consistently. Good enough to miss out on a franchise QB in the draft.

Sam (edited) Darnold now has a lot of weight on those shoulders. I hope that he carries it successfully. Fingers crossed but my eyes will be drawn to Fields......

Just now, stbugs said:

His brother Sam’s got a lot as well. I’m less worried about Matt. 

oops. Brainlock...and probably thinking of Leinart. The point is the same though.

This draft will be more defined by what the Panthers did not do than what they did do. The Panthers chose not to draft Fields and effectively doubled down on Darnold. For the life of me I simply do not understand the confidence in Darnold. I understand the argument that he was playing on a bad team. However, history is replete with examples of QBs that played on bad teams but still themselves showed improvement and played well. With time Darnold regressed and played even more poorly. 

Do I think Darnold has a higher ceiling than Bridgewater? Yes, absolutely. However, I have seen nothing that leads me to believe that he is a Super Bowl caliber QB. Why not live what you preached? The Panthers said that signing gave the Panthers maximum flexibility come draft day. It appeared to me that was simply not the case. The Panthers passed on Fields in large part because Darnold was signed and when Sewell was drafted they were stuck. They probably tried to trade down to no avail.

I am a fan of Horn. I also know that he is not a QB. Furthermore, this team is just spinning its wheels without a franchise QB.

This just has the feel of the Panthers being stuck in QB purgatory. Good enough to win occasionally but not consistently. Good enough to miss out on a franchise QB in the draft.

Sam (edited) Darnold now has a lot of weight on those shoulders. I hope that he carries it successfully. Fingers crossed but my eyes will be drawn to Fields......