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Corall could turn around our franchise if he does indeed pan out, but let’s hamper expectations for his initial impact he’s still a third round pick going into his first season. Let him and Sam battle it out for the starting role, no need to throw Corall into the fire yet.

LUUUUUKE is the fuging man

Cam($5)

Deangelo(3$)

Curtis($1)

Robby($1)

Greg Olsen(5$)

Reasoning, Cam is by far our greatest QB and 2015 Cam was nearly unstoppable. Also, that year he made the most out of a bad group of WR’s so Curtis and Robby even at $1 would be a big upgrade. Pairing Cam back up with prime Olsen who was his primary target anyway would give us the best offense in the league. Especially with prime D WILL fuging the league up with Cams RPO upside.

Really hoping for Nixon, he needs more development but he has the length and athleticism to push the pocket. Hopefully he recovers soon and can further his craft!

2 hours ago, joemac said:

The o line this year should go from being one of the worst units the team has ever fielded to an actual strength. I’m excited to see what they can do

Totally agree! Especially with our run blocking we have some real movers in Icky, Moton, Bozeman, and Corbett. If Brady Christensen can play up to his potential then this line could be set up very well into the future! I’m personally very high on Christensen and think he’s an awesome dude I’m genuinely excited about this group!

Best in depth video out there!

5 hours ago, TheCasillas said:

All this does is align with what I just said. I don’t know if there is a counter point here or you are just agreeing with me.

 

as for RA he proved in 2020 that he is a Z in this league. DJ is our X. Always has been.

 

Honestly I probably took something you said out of context, reading back I have very similar opinions. Hope all is well, thank you for the banter.

3 hours ago, kungfoodude said:

Listen, I don't know what is triggering you specifically but it's probably not something I am saying, it's something you believe I am saying. 

Also, I think your opinion of Curtis is much higher than is warranted. He's never really proven to be much more than a 2nd or 3rd WR on a team. You can't utilize him as a primary target any more than Ted Ginn could be. They are complimentary weapons to an offense, not guys that can carry that load. Primarily because they are typically extremely inconsistent players. Curtis Samuel is a great example of that. His production has been all over the map his entire career(some of that is injuries, obviously). Robby has been much more consistent, albeit generally pretty underwhelming. 

Also, Curtis has very little of the RAC ability that Deebo does. In fact of the three WR's, Curtis has the lowest YAC/R of any of them. That was actually something he was rather criticized for here, if you recall.

And don't use that "only 25 years old" argument. That is shades of Darnold apologists. 

I clearly misunderstood you as I have realized I actually agree with what your saying, I probably got carried away with seeing everyone trash Curtis with no real justification. 

56 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

First, calm down Curtis, I am not insulting you. Chill out for a minute.

As far as superior WR....eh.....that's definitely debatable. Samuel is a much more versatile weapon but he's even more inconsistent than Robby over the span of his career. Also, his most successful season(by a wide margin) was when he was used more like Deebo Samuel than anything like a traditional WR. He's not the same player and when we tried to use him like Robby Anderson, he was extremely unsuccessful. Robby has been far better being a traditional WR/deep threat versus a gadget player like Samuel. 

Hence why I said they could easily co-exist in the same offense. Their ideal usage is entirely different. 

For starters Robby didn’t even start producing in the NFL until he was 25, Curtis is 25 right now with even more room to grow in terms of his route tree. The NFL has changed, these distinctions of oh he can’t play X so he can’t be a WR1 are days of the past. Deebo is the perfect example so thank you, he is a RAC machine who might not fit the stereotype WR1 but is damn well a WR1 and a great one at that. Also Robby is just as limited if not more then Curtis, Robby is one of the weakest WRS I’ve watched in a while he struggles against press man mightily, he is as you say just a deep threat and he is more isolated to that role then Curtis is to a gadget player. Curtis produced great in the slot for us and as a RAC guy, Curtis is a very similar player to Deebo and in a Shannahan scheme he could probably be a WR1. I’m not saying in these current Mcadoo scheme that’s nessesarily possible for Curtis currently, but he is more of a WR2 then Robby is currently as well. Yes your right they could coexist on the same feild, they pair well but Curtis is the better pass catcher which indeed makes him the WR2 rather then Robby. 

1 hour ago, TheCasillas said:

Those are examples of elite receivers being able to play X, Y, F, and Z. Some players in the NFL just simply can not play X. They can’t manage the boundary, they need space, and vice versa.

 

Curtis struggled nightly on the boundary, that’s why he succeeded his final year here, we moved him inside and out of the backfield. This creates mismatches and open zones. On this depth chart, Samuel would not be on the outside, he’d strictly be a gadget type player.

The #1 receiver is more of a title than a position. I would say that your #1 receiver is the receiver who would get focused on by the opposing defence, as he is the most dangerous weapon for the passing game. It could be argued, for example in san francisco with Kittle, that even a tight end could be a team's number one receiver. Being wr 1 does not mean their just the X or the Y/F/Z. Also just so you know Robby is not even an X receiver, he doesn’t have the strength to beat off press man so he is limited himself. 

Please trade him he’s such a diva except he can’t actually catch.

4 hours ago, kungfoodude said:

It's also a comparison of a #2 WR versus a slot/multi-use guy. There is no chance could bring in Samuel to replace Robby because Samuel is literally not a #1 or #2 WR. He's nothing like that.

Frankly, they could very easily co-exist on the same offense. 

Dude wtf are you talking about, it doesn’t matter where you line up at to determine whether your a WR1/2/3/whatever the fug. Have you not watched any football in the last ten years? Look at Cooper Kupp, Justin Jefferson, Davante Adams etc, their all bonafide WR1’s who line up in the slot very frequently if not majority snap count. Every statistic I have showing Curtis Samuels superior efficacy metrics vs Robby. Curtis is more of a WR2 then Robby if anything Hes more efficient thus making him a SUPERIOR WR.

10 minutes ago, Pakmeng said:

Curtis best year is on par with the season that has made everyone hate Robby

Freezing cold take here dude, I’m going to statistically dismantle this. Robby this past season(in 17 games- 110 targets, 53 receptions,519 yards, 6.4% drop percentage, 50.5 rating when targeted, 48.2% catch percentage.) Now here are Curtis Samuels stats his last season here(in 15 games- 97 targets, 77 receptions, 851 rec yards, plus 200 rushing, 5.2% drop percentage, 109.2 rating when targeted, 79.2 catch percentage.) Curtis was more efficient and far superior in every receiving metric there is while also being a highly efficient RAC and in rushing downs. Curtis was a blast to watch on this team and the slander y’all give him is so unwarranted and so confusing why. 

Heck yeah if he’s cut I would love to bring Curtis back! Also besides last season Curtis has not had a history of injuries. Injuries happen to everyone, dudes a baller and has proved that. No joke you put him with Kyle Shannahan and he’s a pro bowler.

Curtis > Robby

1 hour ago, GoobyPls said:

This current roster is more talented, the majority would start.

2 hours ago, PleaseCutStewart said:

I can't remember what other bad cb we had playing because peanut was hurt. Was it bum ass Robert McClain that kept getting torched by Sanders?

CMC, moton, Moore, Robbie, Chinn (for Harper) and literally any current CB for McClain (take your pick of horn or DJ) would be my changes.

That’s the other guy I was thinking of great memory! Man our defense was great that year but that was all our front 7, besides Norman it was kinda a poo show(Harper, Tre Boston, Finnegan, Mclain,) Also, this is a hot take but I would not want Robby anywhere near that team, bad team chemistry guy quick to place and deflect blame. As a WR unless your QB straight up fugs your wife then he should not be poo talking him to the media on any level.

Taylor Moton, Dj Moore, CMC, Chinn

if you count slot then Donte/Jaycee, Cortland Finnegan was not the same player at 31.

Haynes is ready to be in a real rotation next year. He is a solid pass rusher, and he’s already proven that. Great to have guys like Haynes in backup roles.

I would love to see Terrence take that WR 2 role. He balled out in preseason last year, he has the talent now let’s see if he can be utilized in this new offense.

Teppers Brass Balls are finally getting their statue

Gotta resign Burns and it seems like the front office 100% knows this and is prioritizing Burns extension. True pass rushers are so valuable retaining him is a must. 

Why are we worried about running by backs lmao, that’s probably one of of deepest positions by far, we are already heavily invested. Hubbard is our rb3 that’s pretty damn good to be honest. Let’s focus on the O-line, MLB, and DE for now. A good rb 4 is a useless luxury.

This is exactly why espn is dumb, I would be shocked if we finished as the worst team in the league. 

Wow so amazed this is an absolutely game changing idea.