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Just realized we will get to see Shaq on hard knocks now. Great dude excited to see him return especially to a Super Bowl contender.

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Morgan and company will definitely be in on this, not sure if we actually sign him but we will likely see reports come out with us showing interest.

Our DB room this year is essentially our Dline room from last year. We have zero depth and a bunch of jags. If Horn goes down in the same fashion Brown did last year. Then it’s gonna be another tough defensive season. On the bright side on paper we actually have a really strong offense. I’m expecting some shootouts this year, this isn’t your typical stout defensive and ground and pound offensive Panthers team we’re all accustomed to.

38 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

He will be 32 oct of next year.  And the choice as of now is play him at this current contract for this season, see how he plays and then decide to opt out, restructure or keep playing on the existing deal.  I see only 1 of those options viable, opt out after 2025 no matter how he plays and then try and resign him.   But by all accounts he is a headcase currently eye balling his 5th team.   Why would he want to come here initially and why would he resign here if we opted out of his deal?

I think you might need to check his contract again. We would have his contract rights for the next three seasons with him playing at ages (31-33). Also just to be clear this would be his 4th team not his 5th, (Jaguars-Rams-Dolphins). Ima be honest man I think you gotta research this information a bit more. “Why would he want to come here initially” I mean from a literal sense it’s not his choice, whoever the Dolphins deal him to is up to the best offer available. Secondly, I think having coaching familiarity with Evero would be something that works on both sides. 

2 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

In your scenario for all this to work is for him to not only play like a top 10ish corner and assuming he would redo his original deal if we didnt want to out right cut him.  Yeah man I dont think extending a 32 year old corner is in our cards especially when the average age of a nfl corner is 27.  That just doesnt make sense no matter how well one thinks he is playing.

 

All in all like you say its all assumptions and hypotheticals but I really dont see morgan doing this after everything he has said and done about bad contracts

First off you don’t “redo deals” if you extend someone you can spread out their cap hit, which is something Morgan  and company has don’t repeatedly; along with every other 31 front offices. Also I’m getting very confused why you continually refer to him as a 32 year old corner and reference him as a one year rental. By your logic he would play next season at 31, then atleast one more season at 32. So by your own logic he is at minimum a two year starting corner. Listen if reports came out the Dolphins were trying to get first or second round pick I would be completely against it. But by all accounts the Dolphins are in a vulnerable cap situation and need to offload some players to stay under the cap and it’s rumored the asking price for Jalen is only around a 3rd. Research suggests the average third round pick career length is 3 years, and even basing it off your own logic we could have a top 15 corner for a minimum of two seasons. You do that deal all damn day man, every move every aspect of roster construction is a risk but this is a pretty reasonable risk to take man. 

2 hours ago, mrcompletely11 said:

He turns 31 in Oct.   He has an out after this season.  If he stays on his current contract its at 25 million per and he would turn 32 during that season

 

You dont pay 32 year old corners 25 million dollars.  So in all likelihood it’s a one year rental.

 Respectfully man I think you’re making a lot of assumptions, granted this whole situation is a total hypothetical. I get where you’re coming from, paying an older corner is not always ideal. But my simplest rebuttal would be any sort of extension would likely buffer that $25 million. And at the same time if he was extended it would likely mean he’s still playing at an elite level, which he is currently playing at. Along with the fact even worst case scenario he walks, we would likely recoup a similarly equivalent comp pick in the next years draft. Trading for Jalen would be an educated risk, personally I lean towards I think it would make sense. Due to the fact that we still have Bryce on his rookie deal and it gives us the flexibility to be a bit more aggressive with roster construction. And I view CB as probably our second biggest weakness outside of Safety currently. 

8 hours ago, mrcompletely11 said:

You don't pay a 32 year old corner 25 million a year.   There is an out after 25

He’s 30

8 hours ago, mrcompletely11 said:

The Ramesy thing doesnt make sense as its only a one year rental.  Seems like an expensive rental.

Ramsey will play in the league another 3 years minimum, personally I think he has potentially 5 or more left in him. His game was never very reliant on speed, he is a physical run defender who can always transition to safety.

4 hours ago, Icege said:

It depends on the plan that Morgan/Canales have. If they're looking to build still, I can see them leaning into the young guys like with what they're doing at WR.

If they're trying to take the training wheels off now and push for the division, then make the trade. I don't think that's the plan though... I think they look at how the team develops over the course of this season and then makes any big time moves based on those results.

Totally agree with you, if we had invested in drafting a corner or two I wouldn’t even ponder adding Ramsey. But, to be honest we legit added nobody to our corner room this offseason we have nobody worth developing. Even if Chau Smith Wade is better then what I think, he is the only guy we have invested draft capital into outside of our starters.

5 hours ago, DeAngelo Beason said:

Completely disagree on your Mike Jackson assessment.  There are a ton of guys that play in the slot that are great matchups for him... especially now that the tight end is essentially a third receiver.  He also is solid in run support and would hugely improve our run defense playing in the nickel.

Look at his snap counts, your telling me that his entire college and pro football career every coach he has had has misused him? No offense but I don’t think you understand the role of a slot corner. Mike Jackson is the literal definition of an outside zone corner, he would be totally inept as a slot corner. Ala why he has been an outside corner his entire career.

11 minutes ago, Verge said:

I think the team is pretty comfortable with their corner room 

Like they were comfortable with their pass rushers last offseason?

4 minutes ago, DeAngelo Beason said:

I would disagree that CB is a massive need.  Mike Jackson and Jaycee Horn both played very well last year with a front 7 utterly incapable of pressuring the QB or stopping the run.  That said, I'd love to see Jackson moved to nickel and Ramsey take over outside.  I would trade a 5th rounder for him in a heartbeat.

We have 2 startable cbs, good defenses have atleast 4 startable corners. We are in a pass happy era, base defenses have three corners on the field and dime packages with 4 corners are becoming incredibly common. We have zero depth at corner, if Jaycee or Jackson miss any time we will be torched in the air. Also Mike Jackson is an outside corner only, he is a big zone corner with below average change of direction and agility he would be a bad fit at nickle.

38 minutes ago, PNW_PantherMan said:

How is Jaycee a stud but Mike Jackson is below replacement level?  Their overall PFF grades from last year are almost identical.  Our depth isn't great beyond that, but the position isn't a chasm of talent like pass rusher was last year.

Respectfully man if your entire argument is based off of a simple pff score lookup then your argument is severely flawed. There is a reason Mike Jackson signed a two year 10 million dollar deal and Jaycee is one of the highest paid corners in the league. Secondly, I don’t get the comparison to our huge need at pass rush last year. What does our massive and historic lack of talent at rushing the passer have to do with a weakness on this years roster? 

31 minutes ago, ECHornet said:

What would we send? That would be the deciding factor for me. I don't mind it if we don't give up too much to get him. He has no guaranteed money beyond this year.

Rumor around the league is a third round pick, or something in that range.

28 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

No. This team doesn't need to be trading valuable assets for 30 year old stopgaps. 

I totally get this perspective, my only counter argument would be I think Jalen will play atleast another 4-5 seasons in the league. He is a true DB rather than only an outside corner, I could totally see him play the next few years at corner and transition to safety in his latter half of his career ala Charles Woodson. I think he would last longer on the team then the average 3rd round pick in the league.

14 minutes ago, PNW_PantherMan said:

Disagree that CB is a massive need.

Please give me your perspective, from mine our corner room is a gaping hole. Jaycee is a stud, but behind him we have essentially nothing outside of a below average cb2, bad NB and no depth.

Would you consider trading for Jalen Ramsey? Generally speaking I’m against trading for older vets on a rebuilding team. But, considering our massive need at CB it begs the question. Chau Smith Wade was a liability at nickle last year and Mike Jackson is more suited to be a CB3/4. Past that we have basically zero depth and zero promising young prospects at CB. Jaycee paired with Jalen would easily give us a top 5 corner duo for the next 2-3 seasons. Combined with the fact Jalen is the best run defending corner in the league and can align at NB and outside; with the potential to move to safety as he ages. This is the slowest news cycle part of the year just wanted to throw out this hypothetical. What are y’all’s thoughts?

I generally am against trading picks for players in a rebuild, but for a young talented and ascending LB which is probably our biggest weakness rn I love it. Linebacker is one of the hardest positions to adjust to in the pros, dudes about to hit his prime.

Great pick!

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8 minutes ago, SOJA said:

I think Shemar isn't going until the 20s 

I don’t think he makes it past the Falcons at pick 15, Travon Walker went #1. All it takes is one team to fall in love with his potential.

9 minutes ago, ClawOn said:

I'd listen to Natalie. It's not going to be Walker. 

Who did Natalie say?

1 minute ago, Basbear said:

 

Exactly, we got some major LEAKS it’s kinda scary. Not a good look at all, look no further then the Bills forcing our hands last year to trade up when the entire league knew Leggette was our target.