BrianS

It would cost us our second round pick plus a bit more to move up those three spots.  If we like the guy, it may be worth it.

Just now, LinvilleGorge said:

Forgive me for not celebrating an improvement to 7-9 with no long-term answer at QB. What you're describing is exactly what I told everyone we were signing up for last year when we signed Teddy - NFL purgatory 

Oh, I'm not celebrating 7-9 with Teddy, I am however saying it's not an unlikely outcome.

I am a little miffed that we didn't pick up a Trubisky or Mariota type QB at 3.5 mil per season.  They signed for PEANUTS which we could have easily afforded.  Honestly, I'd be way more excited about our team with either of those than with Teddy.

Forget QB for a minute.

Our team is flat out BETTER right now than it was last year.  It's not even a question.  A full offseason in front of us.  A coaching staff that now has NFL experience under it's belt.  A returning CMC.

It wouldn't surprise me if we go 7-9 next year even with Teddy.  There is no way we're picking in the top 10.  Rookie QB in 2022?  Forget it.  There's only a couple worth first round picks, and they'll be snapped up long before we pick.

Whether the Jets are sold on Darnold or not is utterly irrelevant.  SF did not trade up to #3 to pick Sewell or Micah Parsons.  Two QB's are off the board already.  If the Jets keep Darnold and trade out, the only reason anyone would go up there is to pick a QB.  Frankly, if we want a rookie QB, that's where we need to be.

A month or so ago people were laughing when I told them I could see four QB's gone by pick 8.  I wouldn't be surprised now if there were four QB's gone by pick FIVE.

Welcome to Carolina, Trask / Mond / Newman.

Innocent until proven guilty . . . even if he's an 'Aint.

40 minutes ago, pantherclaw said:

Our team wouldn't be worth supporting, if they traded for Watson now. 

Based on?  He said / she said?  No charges have been filed.  No arrests have been made.

I don't know what if anything Watson is guilty of.  Nor do you.  Nor does our team.

Let me run this scenario by you.  Let's say you're the Texans.  You know Watson wants out.  You want him to stay.  What better way to keep him around than to make him appear to be completely toxic?  We've all been so focused on seeing it from our side, we've failed to see it from the other side.

My scenario protects our team if we trade.  We lose nothing if Watson is suspended.  The Texans gain nothing.  Bear that in mind.  My scenario was a hypothetical scenario where Watson is cleared.

Maybe he is guilty of . . . something?  I dunno.  The fact that no legal charges have been filed is a red flag.  I'm not even sure a REPORT has been filed.  Certainly no legal investigation.

A civil lawsuit is what happens when someone wants something but doesn't actually have a good legal case.  The burden of proof is SUBSTANTIALLY lower in a civil suit.  That's why those cases are typically settled quietly and out of court.

2 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

No way do I want Watson right now. There has to be a lot of clarity come to this situation before I'd even think about bringing him into the fold.

If we were smart, we'd trade for him right now . . . but give up nothing this year.

Basically, we construct the trade in such a way that we give up nothing immediately.  Past that, every single piece of the trade becomes contingent on him being eligible to play.  If these legal issues mean he's never eligible to play again, we give up nothing, ever.

Would I give up a couple first round picks 2022, 2023 for Watson?  Sure, assuming he's eligible to play / clears the charges.  Even if we get "our guy" this year and end up with a rookie franchise QB + Deshaun, that's massive capital.  We could easily recoup anything we give up for an in-the-clear Deshaun.

I think that scenario is INCREDIBLY unlikely, on numerous fronts, but I'd take it if the Texans would.

If we were drafting at 15 and Parsons was sitting there, I'd *sprint* to the podium.  Dude is gonna be great.

Sitting at eight, I just can't see it.  It seems pretty likely that with pick eight we'll have available a QB, LT or CB that we desperately need.

I would rather try something new than keep hoping the same old formula that's failed for years suddenly starts to work.

We definitely need to upgrade Slye.  Not sure this is the guy, but we need to find him.

DJ is a legit NFL receiver.  He may end up a star if we can get an actual NFL QB to throw him passes.

Imagine what his production would look like if he was in KC instead of Tyreek Hill.  He would terrify NFL defenses.

4 minutes ago, antame said:

I agree, but not not in this case.

What do you mean not in this case, have you LOOKED at our roster?

We have TONS of needs ahead of WR where a top 8 pick would be TREMENDOUSLY helpful.  Yes, we need a QB.  Also, a CB.  And a LT.

Even if the run on QB's happens and the top four are gone, we'll still have the opportunity to pick Surtain, Sewell or Slater.  Any of which help us more than a guy who will have to fight for playing time with Anderson and Moore already established.

Pick 8 needs to be a guy who is an immediate, unquestioned starter.  As good as Chase may become, he's not that on this team.  At best, he's sharing snaps.  We don't need that.

Developing a QB is very, very different than developing a CB.  It's different honestly than any other position.  Those guys who can develop NFL QB's are rare, not nearly enough of them around.  I don't know if we have that guy on staff.  Joe Brady can construct a passing game, absolutely no doubt.  But that's still very different than developing a QB.

The fact that Lance is playing FCS football is already a strike.  It makes all that running he did frankly irrelevant to me.  If that's his NFL game, I don't want him.

If someone can fix those mechanics, great.  But even I could spot his flaws.  Lazy feet, inconsistent drops.  I hope our staff is better now, but we never fixed those things with our last franchise QB - also a physically talented runner - and we ruined him.  I don't want to see that ever again.

On 3/20/2021 at 12:10 PM, PootieNunu said:

If we miss out on a QB I really don't care what we do with the pick. Take bpa, trade back, whatever. 

I doubt many teams will be looking to trade to 8 if all the qbs are gone. We can want to trade back all we want, but someone has to want to trade up. 

This is exactly it.  I'm sure there are situations that would have us wanting to trade back, but if the top 4 QB's are gone, who would want to trade with us and why?  Doesn't make sense.

The only thing it matches up well against is 21-22 personnel . . . and that only holds up if your corners do.

The problem with what you're showing is that you are showing it matched up against an offensive grouping that you rarely see anymore.  Most offenses run the majority of their plays out of 10-11-12-00 personnel.  That presents serious issues for that defense.  

The general rule is that future year picks devalue by one round per year.  So next year's first has the value of this year's second, etc.  It generally accounts for the random nature of teams having good seasons vs bad seasons.

I'd love to go up and get a QB, but I don't see how we can afford it.

Depends on price, allegations are just allegations until proven.

47 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

In that situation, my far and away best option available would be to trade down and try to pickup an additional 1st next year. We may need it to make a move next year for a QB because guess what, we're basically going to be in the same situation which is the situation of needing a QB.

If we can't do that, them yeah, LT or CB would be the best absolute worst fuging case scenarios available to us.

Half-ass it for Howell mode in full effect.

I'm terrified that we're going to be better next year . . . like 7-9 or so.  Not good enough to be a contender, not bad enough for a real shot at a franchise QB.

It's not a given that anyone would even want to trade up if QB's 1-4 are gone by our pick.  I actually don't see very many ways that a trade down would happen.  I can see us moving up for a QB, or sitting pat and taking BPA.

34 minutes ago, OldhamA said:

Is Matt Moore still alive?

We should bring him in next year if we can't upgrade on Bridgewater. It'd be fun. 

Still alive, I think he retired.  With a ring.

30 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

Pretty much.  I think Teddy's deal screwed the Panthers from ever being able to trade him even as a backup to anyone without the Panthers paying even more the get rid of him.  F*ck'n Marty and his stupid contracts.

Yes, this is what I've been trying to tell people.  I love Deshaun, great player.  But I just don't see how we trade for him.  We simply can't do it with Teddy, our cap doesn't allow it.  So, any deal for Deshaun must either include Teddy, *or* we have to trade Teddy PRIOR to trading for Deshaun.

Now, with Houston bringing in Tyrod, it make that trade even harder.  In fact, as far as cap goes, a Deshaun / Teddy swap sucks for both teams.  It's just a crap situation all around.

We don't have the cap to sign anything resembling an NFL QB unless we first ditch Teddy.  Clearly, that's not going to happen.  It's looking more and more like our best option is to move up and get a QB through the draft.

With our current roster and cap, we can't sign anyone really, let alone an actual NFL QB.

Everyone is all excited about Deshaun, but I'm baffled at how anyone expects us to fit him.  The Texans surely don't want Teddy with Tyrod already in house.

1 hour ago, Khyber53 said:

Didn't he sing with Hootie and the Blowfish?

That was Darius Rucker, who now sings country of all things.  I guess if we're being honest Hootie wasn't too far off that.