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1 minute ago, Catsfan69 said:

There is nobody we can get that will replace his production.

His 300 yards/season over the last 2 years?

I just wanted to poke my head in and see if it was worth frequenting the boards this off season.

Dan Arnold has been getting only about 30% snap counts the last 2 games.  

I am fine with this.

4 hours ago, Proudiddy said:

But now that you have said that you did,

Wait what?  Please reread things.

4 hours ago, Proudiddy said:

Yes, I want to see him play myself with a new team and in this offense.

Without the 1st string, without the actual offense implemented.  Which means even if Darnold was out there for the entire quarter, he would not have been playing with the new team and in this offense.

 

4 hours ago, Proudiddy said:

And I already acknowledged they're running dumbed down, vanilla versions of plays and schemes in preseason before you typed that up in your most recent reply.  But, even with those generic versions of playcalling, you still gain experience and a feel for everything with new teammates.

So you acknowledge that he would not be playing "in this offense" even if he was playing.  Thanks for agreeing with me that its a non factor to bring up.

Exeperience and feel with new teammates? Which he also gets in the joint practices, on a higher level.  Are you worried about the Sam Darnold/Colin Thompson chemistry?  Or his chemistry with Ishmael Hyman?

Specifically.  What experience and feel for new team mates are you looking for him to get that he is unable to get without playing enough snaps in a preseason game?

4 hours ago, Proudiddy said:

So again, what are you arguing?  You're not...  You're just simply arguing for the sake of arguing.

I am pointing out how you are literally contradicting yourself in your own whiney statements.  I am pointing out how Sam Darnold not playing in a meaningless pre season game where he would not be playing with a full complement of 1st stringer or running the actual offense does not give him any experience with the people or offense.

People are over valuing the usefulness of preseason games in todays NFL.

They were mostly useless before.  Now even more useless with joint practices.

They are glorified practices taking advantage of TV deals that give a larger focus on fringe players and depth.  Not for starters working on that chemistry with the 3rd string.

2 minutes ago, Proudiddy said:

I'm not entertaining nonsense.

You know the difference between CMC and Darnold.  One is proven in this league and is with the same team he was drafted by, in his second year in this offense.  One has been a bust, in a new offense, with a new team.  One has nothing to prove, unless you're trying to create something for the sake of arguing.  The other has everything to prove.  I think its pretty clear what you've done in that regard here.

I never used a triple negative in a sentence or statement nor was I unclear about the point I was making, so it's clear you're just being purposely obtuse, especially after I clarified it a second time.

The end.  Have fun with your strawman.

 

Maybe you should move on if you can't tell I am not actually advocating that CMC should be playing.

I just think you don't understand how little value preseason games hold in todays NFL after the advent of joint practices.

Your point just seems mostly.  Stupid.  It basically boils down to "Darnold should be playing because I want to personally see him play".  It doesn't actually add anything.

Chemistry?  Chemistry with who?  2nd and 3rd stringers?  The 1st stringers aren't playing as a unit, so he would not be getting chemistry with people that matter.  Like he does in the join practices.

New offense with a new team?  They aren't running the actual Panther playbook.  Its always a scaled back version of what they would run in a regular season.  So needing to "get used to the new playbook" or offense is irrelevant, because he wouldnt be getting used to it even if he did play.

8 minutes ago, hepcat said:

He’s been coddled to an epic degree since he came into the NFL. The Jets traded Bridgewater who was his only competition to be the starter his rookie year, then ironically the Panthers did the same thing. Darnold hasn’t really been challenged to win a starting job since he came into the NFL. For a QB with a losing record who statistically graded out as one of the worst starting QBs in the NFL, the treatment he is still getting is insane. Darnold is a QB that should be competing with another QB to win the starting job. Giving it to a guy like him outright, a QB who has achieved literally nothing at the NFL level, is the definition of coddling

So basically like every rookie QB drafted in the first round?

The overwhelming majority of first round QBs don't have actual competition.

Its weird to say someone is being coddled by not playing.  But then say they are also being coddled by being forced to play a ton.

Everyone is coddled!

 

1 hour ago, glenwo2 said:

At this point, I'm just going to say "Wake me when Game 1 against the Jets happens" 'cause this whole Preseason is a load of sh*t

With joint practices being a big thing now, preseason games are even more irrelevant than previous.

It has more non football value than football value.

1 minute ago, frankw said:

When even someone like Steve Smith is saying aloud from his position with the franchise that this guy should be playing it goes without saying they are protecting him to the point of going overboard. Some people are taking any criticism of this staff personal no different than the early Rivera or Fox days when it's simply a part of the job

Steve Smith has a history of very level headed statements.  Its basically been his M.O.

1 minute ago, 1of10Charnatives said:

*shows up with his dog eared copy of Robert's Rules of Order, a bag of Cheetos, a six pack of OMB Copper, a Vuvuzela horn and a sign saying Don't blame me I voted for Cthulu*

Who's ready for a meeting? Let's do this.

I dont know what meeting you are going to....

...but I am in.

Just now, NiceDreams said:

You're over complicating this

I am using the standards set before me.

I am told Darnold should start and play more because he is on a new team with a new system.  Don't yall back track on your "Darnold should play more" wagon now.

Or at least have a meeting or something.

Just now, OldhamA said:

So why hasn't Stafford played any pre-season snaps?

Is he above that? Is he being coddled?

Stafford is a proven commodity that the Huddle board completely self destructed when it came out the Panthers sent an offer out for him.  They thought he was that bad.

Just now, NiceDreams said:

It's not really that difficult to find comps to Darnold. Pretty much exclude anyone who is a proven commodity.

No, because then you have to find someone that changed teams, the clear starter, and is learning a new system.

How many "non proven commodities" did that?

5 minutes ago, Proudiddy said:

Everyone that has seen him in practice

The practices you called controlled drills, which are a joke?

So suddenly its ok to evaluate a player from the practices. As long as its not Darnold.
 

6 minutes ago, Proudiddy said:

And I dont feel like multi-quoting, but that statement about them not trusting him wasn't difficult to understand...

Mostly because it makes no sense at all.  Darnold not playing more is not a sign of not trusting him.  Darnold playing more is not a sign of trusting him.
 

6 minutes ago, CRA said:

Matt Stanford isn’t a 24 year old bust redemption project. 

He is a good 13 year veteran QB brought in to be the piece that puts the Rams over the top this year.   That isn’t a Darnold comp

1 minute ago, NiceDreams said:

Do you truly believe Stafford and Darnold are in similar situations? 

Honestly, I just like how the situations get more exact and specific over time to exclude anyone else in the NFL.

Then after we are sure 100% of QBs are excluded from the "Darnold comp" we still moan that he isn't getting reps.  Despite there now being no one to compare him to in a similar situation getting reps.

But we will cite QBs not a Darnold comp who are getting reps.  And use that as evidence for why he should get reps.

But don't you do do the same exact thing and point out QBs not getting reps.

5 minutes ago, Proudiddy said:

I am frustrated with their lack of live game reps for Darnold

Why specifically does this matter?

 

5 minutes ago, Proudiddy said:

You can say what you want, as can I, but relying on the excuse that he's getting his live reps in non-game conditions in controlled drills during joint practices is just as good as playing in games is a joke.

I would say its a joke to rely on Darnold playing in a preseason game.  At least in joint practices its more likely to be starters vs starters.

 

6 minutes ago, Proudiddy said:

  And if it doesn't show a degree of lack of trust in Sam, it certainly isn't doing him any favors even if they do trust him... 

This statement makes absolutely zero sense.
 

6 minutes ago, Proudiddy said:

I just don't agree with it.

Thats fine.  
 

6 minutes ago, Proudiddy said:

And you know that comparing that to possibly the best RB in the NFL sitting during preseason who has already proven his worth is absolutely asinine. 

CMC is coming off of a major injury last year.  You don't feel its important for a guy who missed nearly an entire year to get his game legs going?  Get used to being hit again in a game-like atmosphere? To see if he is back to his previous form?

For the record, I don't.  But it seems like an extremely biased line to draw in the sand on who does and doesn't need the reps.

Just now, hepcat said:

I would have been on board signing ANY veteran QB with previous starter experience

We literally did get a veteran QB with previous starter experience.

I am not confident Trubisky is better than what we have.  

 

1 minute ago, hepcat said:

With no Plan B on the roster it makes me nervous we’re in for another miserable season if Darnold doesn’t work out. 

How many teams have a Plan B on the roster?

1 minute ago, CRA said:

It’s it totally nothing.  Find a comparable to Darnold across the league.  
 

if it isn’t coddling.  Than Matt Rhule is just smarter than every NFL coach in his first preseason 
 

Ok.  You didn't exactly answer my question.

How exactly is it coddling?  

Is Sam Darnold getting reps in with the 1st string against the Ravens 1st string?  Yes.

So its not about reps and experience.

Is it about the actual cameras?  Is having a camera on you that important?

Why is not playing many reps in the 1st two games of a preseason game considered coddled?

What exactly is being coddled?

Can this be explained first?  I don't know how to reply effectively unless I know what is even being talked about.  I can't figure out how Darnold is being coddled by not playing atm.

Any other time of the year, we poo on a player like Trubisky.

Suddenly...WHY DIDNT WE SIGN HIM!?!

 

I dont care who.  If we rely on either to play, we aren't going to rely on them to actually win the game.

Bringing in competition for Darnold would have destroyed the Panthers in other areas.

What money/draft assets should the Panthers have employed, and then look at the trickle down effect of what we'd have lost.

8 hours ago, Proudiddy said:

TBH, this looked bad.  Wasn't encouraged by Darnold at all.  He didnt look bad, but the fact we tried to run it twice down at the goalline with Chubba instead of trying to play fake and pass and then sat him tells me how they feel about Sam.

.....what

This makes sense if maybe if you are a new football fan and don't understand the point of preseason games.

People here are placing waaaaaaaaaay too much of the wrong importance on preseason game calls.

Preseason game calls are *not* designed to win the game.

Based on your logic, running Chubba at the goal line shows how they feel about CMC.  When we are on a goal line..CMC was invisible!  We didn't give him the ball once.

Obviously the coaching staff has no faith in CMC's ability to play football, and are trying to groom Chubba as his replacement.

12 minutes ago, CRA said:

Replay was a closeup of Darnold and his eyes.  He was locked on from the snap.  

I am just fortunate that pro-bowl/all pro CB Marcus Peters who had lined up across from Anderson didn't notice this.  And was apparently thrown off by the stare down.

Just now, Tr3ach said:

You've got to remember they dont game plan or scheme for these games at all.  They are going to run base vanilla plays.  They aren't going to show many of their plays in the preseason.

You mean they scale down the play calling due to having a large amount of people on the team that can't be expected to all learn the playbook, and the plays called are more about trying to evaluate players on the team than to actually win a game?

2008 Lions.  2017 Browns.

Both played to win their preseason games.  4-0 in preseason.  Went 0-16 in regular season.