Proudiddy

Gross. If this is the cream of the crop of college football QBs, we should not be pressed whatsoever to get a guy next draft. The QB gem of this upcoming draft will certainly not be him. Ewers and Manning are good candidates but I don't think Manning is eligible until 2026, right? But anyway, Beck is ass. Also watched Dart earlier, also extremely ass. When they said he was a Heisman hopeful, I was flabbergasted. That is all.

No, but tbh, is it a surprise that the FO pretty much missed every possible hit they could've had in the draft during Fitts tenure? We could've had Willis or Howell. But tbh, do you believe either would've succeeded until we got Canales as coach? They probably would've looked as bad as they were capable of too.

I meant specifically with football... and I would say all the way from middle school through college, Bryce was put in that position.

But in all seriousness, imagine being coddled, protected, postured, and positioned to win your whole life, and then over 18 games, you prove you aren't just not good at this level but you're actually one of the worst to ever do it, get replaced, and the QB who has sat behind you that entire time sets multiple milestones and the locker room is going crazy. Tbh, he probably wants to be traded at this point.

Everything was so awesome and then Tepper walked in and I almost vomited.

Tbh, Reich wasn't wrong at all. All the other factors he was supposedly wrong about look much different when you have a QB who can actually play football. He knew he was put in an impossible situation with a guy he didn't want who he knew couldn't play NFL QB. Everything he did after we drafted Bryce, I think he knew was a lost cause.

It's also worth considering, he isn't just the worst #1 pick ever, he may be the worst starting QB ever to have logged that many attempts/starts. He's so bad.

All true, but I think having a functional QB changed the complexion of the entire team and the game. They couldn't impose their will, be it the pass, run, or defensively, because we had balance and the defense stayed fresh. Dalton really made the game entirely different.

I say keep Andy as the bridge. As I've suggested elsewhere, see what Detroit wants for Hooker or what New England would take for Milton as a young prospect with a high ceiling to develop. As far as the draft, we wouldn't be pressed to take a guy next year, and I'm not super informed on the college crop, but what I've seen outside of Ewers or Arch, I'm unimpressed. So, if we can take one of those guys without having to maneuver to do so, cool... if not, be patient and get a guy who has the tools physically and just needs polish and time, and there's a lot of those guys who aren't #1 overall picks. And also, dump Bryce immediately. If the rumors are true and a team offered a 4th, you take that poo and run. I would like a 3rd, but I don't know why any team would offer even a 4th at this point, but end this nightmare ASAP.

That may be, but Dalton had a very similar degree of success when he stepped in for Bryce against Seattle last year. His last two starts since he's been here have both looked really good. While teams didn't know what this offense would look like, they do know Canales and Dalton. They know tendencies. And I think Pierce is a fantastic coach with a defensive background, so I think this is more than them not being prepared bc it was Dalton... he needs to be given credit for still being a really, really good QB, and with him in the lineup, this team is dynamic.

DJ has best WR in the league potential... reminds me a little of prime AB or Diggs at his peak. If we've learned nothing else over the last few years is - once you have an asset, you should do everything you can to keep them, because the return is often never going to get you your value back. We also have a horrible habit of selling low. I hope this isn't being considered. Andy is gonna get him the ball.

Nothing special... and isn't Barno and Wonnum about to come back?

I honestly don't know how I feel about it, but I don't really get the hand-wringing. I don't give a poo if Chris Kringle made the call, because it was overdue and should've been obvious to Tepper's dumbass before the trade or the pick was ever made. So, good job on finally making the call... he's still a fuging idiot. But it is essentially inconsequential to me who made the call, because it was the right one. We can't change anything about what's already done... we can only look forward. Bryce was a huge mistake and a very costly one. Let Andy see what he can do for the rest of the season, but regardless, we know Tepper is going to be involved... he's the owner and there's nothing we can do about it. He makes the calls... we can only hope moving forward his dumbass finally, accidentally happens into a good one next time. People keeping bring up Stroud and we all have contemplated what we look like if we had taken him instead... my pick was AR, but I would've loved Stroud as well. And honestly, had we taken either of them, they make a lot of Tepper's other decisions a wash because their physical ability alone is enough to carry an offense and make it go. So if we hit on a guy like that this coming draft, it will nix out a lot of Tepper's dumbass meddling, because once they're on the field, it's about the players and coaches. No playcall, scheme, or coaching could've made Bryce an NFL QB. On to the next one. I think yall will be excited in what we see from Andy, compared to what we were getting with Bryce's sorry ass.

Aaron Rodgers has played most of his career in a WCO, if I'm not mistaken, as have many other big-armed QBs... it's not the scheme for us, it's the personnel. They have repeatedly annointed noodle-armed, pansy-wristed game managers as our starting QB and then framed the offense around their "strengths." It's no coincidence why when Dalton stepped in last year versus Seattle, the offense looked completely different. It's not that they aren't scheming up deep shots. They are. The guy pulling the trigger just can't see/throw them.

Nah, bro... I dont blame any defense for giving up what ours has two weeks through when the offense is that fuging bad. If the offense goes 2-22 or whatever the fug it has been over the first two weeks of the season in 3rd down conversions, then the defense is out on the field the entire fuging game. Hard to not give up a ton of points when they have an entire game to try.

Good poo, Dave. I might actually watch a game again now.

Dalton is a quality starter. I would say a plus starter. He is an upper-level game manager with ability to make all the throws, so he has occasional games of brilliance, but the main thing is his floor is consistent and solid. That alone is worth 8 wins with this squad, imo. Enjoy your fortune, Bryce. It's been real... enjoy youe lucrative college football commentary gig two years from now.

Agreed on all points. And honestly, at this point, to add to the organizational integrity part, if we don't do everything we can to be competitive we risk not only the next #1 pick not wanting to come here, but also quality FAs and coaches. It was already out there that some coaches didn't even want to interview here bc of Tepper.

The only reason JaMarcus is ever even mentioned is because he was the biggest intentional dumbass ever. He has admitted since in interviews that he just didn't care at the time. He essentially "made it" and put it in cruise control - relying on his God-given talent and ability without putting in any prep work, while also not mature enough to navigate organizational dysfunction at the time... but if you watched him, there were games where you could absolutely see his potential to fuging dominate and take over games. He just didn't care enough or take pride in the position he was in at the time. But in terms of talent and ability, he absolutely deserved to be a #1 overall pick. Hard to tell how guys are gonna react once they get there... Bryce? Has the ability and talent of some huddlers, and clearly lacks the processing ability that was overhyped and overvalued in the draft process. He has a zero of a fraction of the talent and ability past #1s had. He could be fuging Albert Einstein of quarterbacking and he still couldn't execute the poo physically because he is at such a deficit. And for that reason.. ABSOLUTELY YES, HE IS THE WORST #1 OVERALL PICK, AND THATS EVEN BEFORE CONSIDERING WHAT WE GAVE UP TO TRADE UP TO TAKE HIM. And I've been saying this since last season. Our franchise honestly deserves to implode on itself after this fuging trainwreck.

The only reason JaMarcus I'd ever even mentioned is because he was the biggest intentional dumbass ever. He has admitted since in interviews that he just didn't care at the time. He essentially "made it" and put it in cruise control - relying on his God-given talent and ability without putting in any prep work, while also not mature enough to navigate organizational dysfunction at the time... but if you watched him, there were games where you could absolutely see his potential to fuging dominate and take over games. He just didn't care enough or take pride in the position he was in at the time. But in terms of talent and ability, he absolutely deserved to be a #1 overall pick. Hard to tell how guys are gonna react once they get there... Bryce? Has the ability and talent of some huddlers, and clearly lacks the processing ability that was overhyped and overvalued in the draft process. He has a zero of a fraction of the talent and ability past #1s had. He could be fuging Albert Einstein of quarterbacking and he still couldn't execute the poo physically because he is at such a deficit. And for that reason.. ABSOLUTELY YES, HE IS THE WORST #1 OVERALL PICK, AND THATS EVEN BEFORE CONSIDERING WHAT WE GAVE UP TO TRADE UP TO TAKE HIM. And I've been saying this since last season. Our franchise honestly deserves to implode on itself after this fuging trainwreck.

New to betting. How would I go about making 1k off that?

They hand-picked Tepper, created a faux-outrage event to leak to the press so they could force the sale of the franchise to him. They shoot the sh!t at owner's meetings and laugh at all the peons and basement dwellers outraged over his decisions and then prolly wrap it up with, "well, Dave... There's always next year! Hurrrrhurrhuurrrrrhurrrrr!" And then clink glasses and head to the orgy. They don't give a flying fug about him running the franchise into he ground. They chose him to do it. They aren't stepping in. Ask yourself... how fuging bad things are that we're hoping the very organization that has fuged us at every turn would step in and save us from poo they put into motion in the first place. They dgaf. No one is coming to save us as Panthers fans.

That's it. That'll fix it!

I'll never forget someone here posted advanced stats of all the QB draft candidates in that draft and one of the stats was completion percentage to sideline throws, and Bryce wasn't just the worst, he was by far the worst. I remembered seeing it and thinking "there's no possible way any FO analyzes these numbers and thinks he's worth taking a flyer on until at least the 4th or 5th round... lo and behold, our FO threw that poo out the window and decided he was worth the #1 pick. I was out on him from the college season before his last... it just became clear to me he was the beneficiary of superior talent and nothing special himself. And again, it still boggles my mind that just off that Stat alone, FOs still had him in consideration for the first round, because paired with the eye test, his lack of arm, his lack of above average athleticism, and then decision to not even throw at the combine - how tf could you look at AR, Stroud, Levis, or even a Hendon Hooker and think Bryce was gonna project better than any of them?

I maintain, we need to see what Detroit would want in exchange for Hendon Hooker, or what the Pats want for Milton. Bring in one of those guys to see if they can develop in addition to who they draft in 2025. Bring them in and let them get a head start. The only reason Bryce should start moving forward is to secure the #1 pick.