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2 hours ago, SBBlue said:

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Interesting that WRs are getting called out for “running bad routes” and such’

 

I saw rhule say that. But looking at darnolds first interception idk if it was Ian Thomas or Robby Anderson that ran the wrong route. It looked like the ball was intended for Robby and Ian put his hands on it causing Robby to whiff.

Given what was said earlier in the off-season about Thomas not learning the playbook last year and Robby seemingly being prepared it’s not hard to see why I would think that one was on thomas

second interception was 100% on darnold. The play call looked iffy to begin with for that situation but throwing it to the only wr getting doubled isn’t the best look.

excited for the pads to come on so we can start seeing how the o line shakes out, and obviously so the guys can really get to work sorting things out

5 hours ago, iamhubby1 said:

Fans see a problem. And they want it fixed NOW. No patience

It’s crazy how quickly people forgot how decimated this roster was before last season. 

the only postition that’s was shored up was rb with mccafrey.

wr they had to bring in anderson 

defense had to be completely replaced with the only “answer” already on the roster being burns and shaq

qb 

o line was moton and paradis

Christensen needs to perform for this to work cause rhule is constantly talking about having the best collective out there on oline

1 minute ago, iamhubby1 said:

 

Unfortunately, that is how it goes around here. Folks disagree with you and try and change your mind. When at first it doesn't succeed, they double down. They just have to convert you to their stance. And Viola, you get this.

 

At least it's been civil. So you got that going for you. lol

Lol I mean I was kind of being a dick by calling out linville, I could of just read it and kept it moving, so there’s definitely opportunities for growth there on my part.

That being said I’m bowing out boys/girls.

13 minutes ago, iamhubby1 said:

He's been pushing this agenda for two years. At least he's consistent. 

If people want to criticize the outcomes of decisions I get it, but to think that somehow this one flew under Rhule’s radar, who from what I can tell from a distance, is a compulsive worker and student of the game, blew my mind a little bit.

I didn’t intend for it to turn into all this 

also would like to mention that there are holes and merits to the arguments made against the decisions made but at a certain point it becomes conjecture and i don’t want to open that bag of worms

11 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

In the NFL. That's the part you're leaving out.

This is not his first gig in the nfl. He’s been around the league far more infinitely than you and I. A ten year old could tell you that having QB play is important “in the nfl”

10 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Go back and watch his games in New Orleans. They won in spite of him, not because of him. He had one good game and that was against the worst pass D in the NFL at the time

 

They specifically quoted teddy’s familiarity with the system for a reason I’m bringing him in. 
 

Again I would like to reiterate that this originally this discussion was about you implying that rhule somehow just discovered the notion that qb play is integral to success on the football field

7 minutes ago, CRA said:

Great QBs are rare.  So when you have a chance to possibly grab one you need to take the shot.  Love or hate Fields.....that was one of those lotto tickets a team without a QB has to take. NFL runs through the QB. 

yes only very fortunate coaches get the opportunity to win with franchise qb’s(Ron with Cam is a shining example of that)

and I agree that the fields situation is very interesting and worth discussion.
 

I think they made the move for darnold because of the uncertainty in landing one of the QBs they wanted in the draft.

I don’t know how the staff felt about him but I personally liked fields and he may very well go on to have a great career, but once they sunk costs into darnold they were caught in a spot. And to their credit I believe Jaycee is a stud 

but yes a lot is riding on darnold not turning the bal over twice a game 

1 minute ago, LinvilleGorge said:

No, I'm not. My point is we spent significant money on a QB who lacks the physical talent to be a high level NFL starter. My guess on why? Rhule and Brady (college coaches) thought they could "coach him up". 

No they brought him in because he had tape of him succeeding in the system they run. Not because the “college coaches thought they could coach him up”

3 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Yes. Dumping that money into Teddy was an idiotic move. Not just Lawrence, but Zach Wilson too. All we did was spend money against the cap we'll never get back on a guy everyone should've known wasn't good enough.

Ok so is “spend money against the cap that we’ll never get back” an example of how he doesn’t value the qb position or is it an example of a business decision not working out?
 

Cause it sounds like you’re trying to deflect from the original premise which was that rhule didn’t value the qb position

1 minute ago, Toomers said:

Yes. Because he gave Bridgewater 31M for one year of play that was similar to Kyle Allen at the 1M he could have kept him at. Add in many other questionable decisions and 80M in cap space was used for no reason at all. Think that might help with the OL? 

You’re confused in thinking that rhule dolled out the contract. Teddy underperformed, I think to say that it’s an example of how rhule doesn’t value the qb position, when he was publicly criticizing the teddy’s play makes no sense

2 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Yes. That exactly what I said we should done if we were moving on from Cam. Signing Teddy Bridgewater to a significant contract is a lack of understanding of the value of the QB position. 

Ok so in your mind, signing bridgewater, who without a doubt, is a much better quarterback than pj or Grier demonstrates how rhule doesn’t understand the value of the QB position.

because we’d have a shot, not a guarantee, to land Lawrence an unproven commodity

Just now, LinvilleGorge said:

Why? He signed off on the signing of Teddy Bridgewater. A guy who had never shown the talent to be a high level NFL QB. At least Darnold has the talent. Whether he can put it all together or not remains to be seen.

What was your alternative? Run with pj walker or will Grier. How much would you be crying that he doesn’t know the value of the quarterback position then?

And to act that Rhule had full autonomy of the signing decisions last year would be a stretch. 
 

Not saying rename the Lombardi trophy after him. I’m just saying, framing your statement as the guy all of a sudden had this flash revelation, that you saw all along and he didn’t, that the you need quarterback play to win in the nfl, it’s just like how is that a conclusion one could come to?

6 minutes ago, CRA said:

Rhule didn't win in college with great QB play.    He has never relied on it. 

 

Even more of a testament to his abilities as a coach and organization builder. And really how many great quarterbacks have come out of college in the last five years compared to how many college programs there are? At most 2 a year.

9 minutes ago, Call Me James said:

Was Gase also at the Pinnacle? 

 

Obviously but there are different ways of getting there, one road the coattails of a hall of fame quarterback the other climbed his way by turning the fortunes of two separate organizations, both in very bad situations, in the capacity as head coach

8 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

BIG difference between college and NFL in this regard. The much more even talent parity in the NFL compared to college puts a bigger influence on the QB position and play calling compared to college. The Alabamas, Clemsons, Ohio States, Oklahomas, etc. of college are  head and shoulders more talented than their competition in college week in and week out. That just doesn't happen in the NFL. Rhule made a living in college beating unranked teams. He had an abysmal rating vs. top 25 teams. I'm hopeful about Rhule, but I'm not even close to pretending that he's a slam dunk to succeed in the NFL.

I understand but to assume that he doesn’t or didn’t see the value of the qb is kind of wild to me

22 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Rhule might be starting to get it.

Lol yes the coach who’s been involved in football his entire life and risen of the pinnacle of his industry is FINALLY realizing that quarterback is important.
 

They were going to swing big on deshaun and people were crying at what they were going to have to give to get him

14 minutes ago, iamhubby1 said:

 

If the WR gets two hands on it, it should be a catch. Not tipped for a pick 6.

High and wide and half a tick late. Not the worst throw and not the best catch

40 minutes ago, stirs said:

The great David Newton said one of the highlights was that Chinn picked off Darnold.  But that is all he said.  He leaves you to believe that Chinn made an outstanding play, or Darnold made a horrible throw.

But maybe his latte was not free today, we will give him another pass

 

I didn’t like the phrasing either but that want a great ball either

Might as well start making a list cause if we pick in the middle/second half of the first round were the talent levels start to blend we’re probably going that way (obviously barring an off-season signing or an over producer in the roster)

 I’ll add to this post as the year goes on, feel free to chip in

18 minutes ago, glenwo2 said:

What is the definition of "light it up" for you two?

Anything less than 30 tds is a significant downgrade from Watson 

and if Darnold doesn’t clean up his mistakes he’s as good as gone

sorry but that’s the way the cookie crumbles, especially with this regime

Would like to add that I’m very excited about this defense flying around 

Idk what the time table is for the deshaun watson situation but he might still end up here

Was basically a done deal before the news broke

This team with him at the helm is an actual Super Bowl contender

I think the more pertinent questions should be: 

can he consistently set up his protection at the line

can he stay within the game and not force the ball trying to eek out another first down

can he get better arc on his corner routes

I’m general just play mistake free football for 70 plays a game 17+ times a year

i think he has the high ceiling but to me that means nothing without raising his floor, so hears to that lol

20 hours ago, Moo Daeng said:

I don't give a poo if he listens to Joni  Mitchel, makes flower bouquets and meditates on the sidelines as long as the offense scores points 

Agree 

supposedly Justin Herbert was a reserved introvert and that’s why he couldn’t be a good qb in the nfl and blah blah blah, as if that means you don’t have fire inside you 

So dumb to think that way.
Mcgregor is a “hoorah look at me” type and he almost got his head ripped off by the quieter khabib 

4 hours ago, CanadianCat said:

Is Reddick expected to line up as a LB or is he on the line?

I’m expecting rushing the passer on the line mixed in with some coverage stunts in blitz packages