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17 hours ago, ForJimmy said:

Yeah, then he went to the Bucs and “game managed” another Super Bowl. In fact this “game manger” is leading the league in passing yards and TDs. Stop with that nonsense… 

yeah he did. tom brady handles football like a business. he went to a team that was already good before him. game manager. i just wish other qbs looked at it like that.

On 12/5/2021 at 12:08 AM, Cdparr7 said:

Well it won 6 Super Bowls. 
 

You guys are all about propping up some trash.

yeah. and that could have been any qb. tom brady just happen to be on the patriots.

42 minutes ago, Cdparr7 said:

Ya know. I’m old enough to remember people saying the same thing about Tom Brady and Kurt Warner. 
 

Time will tell.

Yeah, tom brady is an iconic game manager. That's the reason belichick chose mac jones over fields, mac jones much like Tom Brady is very much game manager and that's what's needed for belichick's system.

8 hours ago, amcoolio said:

Mac Jones is having a good year, but he'll never be better than an Andy Dalton type. He doesn't have the arm. Better than what we have? Certainly. But I'm not crying in pain over passing on him.

Slater we definitely got wrong. It was sourced that we passed on him becuase "their organization had Slater graded in the second round and viewed him as a guard or center as a pro."

mac jones only looks good. he is not, he is very much game manager. any qb would look good on the patriots, its very hard not to, mix that with the fact that they have a cupcake division, of course mac jones is going to the playoffs.

On 12/3/2021 at 12:47 AM, MasterAwesome said:

It’s hilarious how badly you guys wanna prop up Fields to validate your pre-draft crush lol. He doesn’t belong anywhere near the same company as Slater and Parsons.

58.1 completion %, 4 TDs, 8 INTs, 136 YPG passing, 25.9 QBR

That’s absolutely abysmal. Yeah he’s a rookie and it’s very possible he could go on to have a good career, but that’s hardly a foregone conclusion. It blows my mind that people are crying about us passing him over after the rookie season he has had. The irony is that his stats are actually pretty darn similar to Darnold’s (worse actually in almost all categories) and yet one is the worst QB of all time and the other is a rookie sensation who we will regret passing over.

Oh and probably the worst stat of Fields? He takes a sack on 13.5% of pass plays….13.5%….that’s insane. And before you preach about their terrible o-line, Andy Dalton has taken a sack on 5.1% of his pass plays for comparison.

Again, Fields may go on to have a great career. I’m not calling him a bust by any means, I’m saying he’s had a pretty bad rookie season so the hype surrounding him right now is just weird and unfounded. Maybe if you’re comparing him against Zach Wilson (another Huddle pre-draft crush) then I guess he’s having an okay season?

Dalton also is a check down king, which is why he lost his position in the first place. they know fields is a better player. their o line is possibly worse than carolina's. and they have no defense or pass rush and a coach who is not very good. why do people fail to use context when talking about justin fields?
i don't why fields upsets people, but its weird. and yes, in the end 2 seasons from now fields will  be the last one standing.

On 12/2/2021 at 6:38 PM, The NFL Shield At Midfield said:

You're talking out of both sides of your mouth in this thread and not making any sense.  You know the Rivera/Hurney juggernaut cut Heinicke from the Panthers in 2019 right?  That should make them bad at evaluating QBs according to your own criteria.  Yet you're praising them and saying they should be emulated for "developing" him in ways we haven't developed PJ Walker, even though Walker has been on the Panthers roughly twice as long as Heinicke has been with WFT.  As others have pointed out Heinicke was on the bench behind Ryan Fitzpatrick to start the season anyway.  If everything had gone to plan he would have never seen the field. 

If this is such a winning formula we should just sign random FA quarterbacks and "develop" them I suppose.  Why would this apply to PJ Walker and not, oh I don't know, Will Grier or some other rando?  poo what's Tony Pike been up to?

The Patriots cut Heinicke too and I'd wager they're kind of okay at evaluating QBs.  Bet Heinicke would have cost less draft capital and been on a cheaper contract than first round pick Mac Jones.

Both things can be true. Rivera was wrong for cutting heineke and rivera was right for choosing to stay the course and develop heineke. He could have pulled a matt rhule, bring in qbs and wasting time.

1 hour ago, mav1234 said:

Heineke was only on a roster last year because of tons of injuries and he knew the offense. It wasn't like he was carefully developed.  He made the most of the opportunities he got last year and that's why he's playing now.  Sometimes backups have that happen.   

I have no dislike of the XFL.  I legitimately have no problem with PJ. He's just not very good unfortunately, or at least hasn't been to date. Maybe that'll change some day... 

it doesn't matter how heineke got there, hes there now. you and a lot of nfl fans have this puritan status quo mentality that says, a qb has to have this college background, and drafted this high or hes no good. that mentality no longer works in todays nfl. there are several situations similar to this that have people wondering if the first round pick even matters anymore. i dont think it does. 

59 minutes ago, mav1234 said:

as to heineke being protected last year but PJ wasn't.. Lol... the dude was forced into action because Fitz went on IR this year or he'd prob still be on the bench... it wasn't like Rivera was babying to develop him... now the WFT were comfortable with him as their QB , since he performed pretty damn well in his relief appearance (remember he came in late vs us) and his only start last year, unlike PJ... 3 TDs and only 1 int in >50 passes thrown.  Compare that to PJ last year, 1 TD and 5 INTs (and that many INTs was on fewer balls thrown than Heineke last year).

Both Heineke and Walker played in relief of their starters and had one start, and the difference in results was, ah, abundantly clear.

I'd love for PJ to have a better career but yeah, it isn't looking like he is more than a backup... this team isn't really able to develop a QB clearly.

first couple starts heineke throw at least 2 picks like every other game. and once again, heineke has had multiple 4th quarter opportunities, pj has not. you dont want to like him or give him a chance because of some irrational XFL dislike? fine. but tell the truth, the truth is pj should have been put in back in 2020 after that vikings game, teddy should have been benched, especially since they already knew they were gonna get rid of teddy.and once again, tell the truth you don't pj to have a career with the panthers, stop it. 

On 11/29/2021 at 8:58 AM, hepcat said:

I'm surprised we haven't seen PJ more in the past two weeks honestly. Cam can still obviously play a part in the offense, especially in the red zone. But I just can't see how he's a full time starting option after less than 3 weeks on the roster. If they bring him back next season and he has a full offseason in whatever offensive coordinator's system they have, I'm sure he'd look better. I feel like they ran the same 3-4 formations and ran the same plays over and over because he only knows like 20% of the playbook at this point. 

why surprised? this is what the fans wanted. rhule cares way too much about outside opinions, plus pressure from tepper, and thats why cam is here. they were too concern about a feel good story versus winning. had they just ran with the 2 qb system we beat washington and the dolphins.

4 hours ago, micnificent28 said:

I never said that about heineke...but that's true he could develop. Heineke had even less playing time than Walker we have seen more of Walker than we did of Taylor and Taylor wasn't throwing early as many ints.

heineke has been playing 4 quarters since last season. so no, pj has not had more playing time. and yes, heineke was throwing more interceptions, but never did that stop rivera from playing him. rivera could have gotten another qb, he didn't. rhule needs to take a page from rivera. (never thought i'd say that).

3 hours ago, Catsfan69 said:

Did you not see what Taylor did last year in the playoff game? The 2nd half against us?

This year against us?

The throws he was making against Seattle. 

He's head and shoulders better than PJ

 

how would anybody know? the only game he had with 4 quarters was detroit lol. and before you start, heineke also threw his fair share of interceptions, mainly because his arm isn't as strong as pj's.

2 hours ago, mav1234 said:

Walker may have been a better college QB too... Doesn't look like he's a better NFL player, which is all that matters for us.

yall don't know what pj is, cause carolina won't allow him to properly develop. properly developing a qb is not throwing in him in the line of fire at the 4th quarter with very little time, the team has given up and then having him play hero ball. outside of detroit and arizona, that's all we've seen thus far.

washington didn't do that with heineke, they let him play multiple games since last season with an off season and everything and its paid off.

16 hours ago, Catsfan69 said:

In no Universe is PJ better than Heinicke. 

meh, only way to know is carolina allows pj to develop the same washington did. because heineke is coming into his own, but make no mistake he didn't just start out that way for washington.

16 hours ago, The NFL Shield At Midfield said:

There's this narrative that Heinicke was the twinkle in Ron Rivera's eye and he always knew he had something special, just had to let him develop and learn how to be a pro.  As if he's been riding the bench there for years and finally got his chance.

In reality he had been cut like 50 times and was on the couch when WFT brought him in last year.  He figured his NFL career was over and was taking online classes to set up the rest of his adult life.  This is similar to how every year somebody says "you know I can think of a guy who was drafted in the 6th round once who turned out to be a pretty good QB... " during the draft.  Heinicke is on a magic carpet ride right now and it's a fun story and all that, but for every one of him there are a dozen others who wash out of the league every year and are never heard from again.

a win is a win. and he clearly is a prime example of people not properly evaluating qbs. cause he was cut in favor of other guys and where are they? exactly.

2 minutes ago, micnificent28 said:

Sure you can win throwing 1 touchdown here and there with the  85 bears defense. im juist saying he isnt very good. Probably wouldnt be in the nfl if not for rhule.  Doesnt get under my skin at all i know who he is.

and yall said that about taylor heineke. everything yall say about pj can easily be applied to taylor heineke. difference is, rivera allowed heineke to develop, make his mistakes and learn. rivera never put heineke in at the last minute and force him to play hero ball. and they both played for the XFL, not for nothing. and now, heineke is going to the playoffs. and before you say heineke is better than pj, he's not. pj has a much stronger arm. this organization is impatient, and they don't want to develop anybody.

On 11/29/2021 at 1:01 PM, micnificent28 said:

Bro how u 2-0 without throwing but 1 touchdown ever. Came has scored six since being back and is 0-2. That tells you wins and losses aren't an individual accomplishment but a product of overall team play. Quarterbacks are not the only deciding factor in who wins and who loses. 1 touchdown ever isn't beating any team.

yeah you can, there are quarterbacks right now, winning and only throwing 1 touchdown here, 2 touch downs there. see, i will never understand how pj walker got under yalls skin.

On 11/29/2021 at 5:16 PM, micnificent28 said:

How many touchdowns he throw that game.

 they took him out and put cam in for a feel good story. but pj did get the 2 pt conversion.

2 hours ago, Silent Majority said:

Garbage time notwithstanding, huh? 

Guess the cardinals was garbage time too.

2 hours ago, micnificent28 said:

After taking a lot more sacks in the hurry up and throwing his own int. Real smooth  and didn't score.like he Hass only ever scored once. Stop it.

2-0. and won in arizona and detroit.

6 hours ago, micnificent28 said:

Stop it dude P.J came in and immediately 2 sacks taken and then sends up the Ole PJ special a Pick right on Que.  This tells me it's not a Cam problem it's a offensive line problem qbs aren't magical creatures that create offensive line play and make wrs good. You need players around them especially the offensive line.

Look at Jacksonville they landed a generational talent in Lawrence.... he's getting destroyed. Look at Wilson the qb many of us wanted for the jets... getting destroyed. It doesn't matter who the qb is if he can't turn around after a 5 step drop.

pj got down the field alot smoother. the offense runs smoother as well. yeah, thats what i said.

7 hours ago, t96 said:

It really doesn't matter. PJ is not an NFL QB, Cam is not an NFL QB. Nothing we can do for the future at QB position this year and we obviously aren't winning any games. 

yall said that about taylor heineke. they both were in the XFL, same career, difference is washington allowed heineke to develop, allowed him to make mistakes and learn from them. and pj walker is the better player out of him and heineke. the panthers have not developed a qb since cam newton. they need to pull a washington, but they are not using common sense, they are just reaching and panicking.

7 hours ago, KillerKat said:

If anyone thinks it's Cam's fault, you are a fuging moron. First int is a miscommunication which is normal for someone thats only been on the team for 2-3 weeks. Moore gets pushed in the back on the 2nd INT. The line and Brady are the real culprits. Lots of people focus on the wrong things because of either stupidity or bias. 

now if this was pj you wouldn't be this understanding or provide context, it would just be "see!? this is why he will never be a nfl player!" 

11 hours ago, Icege said:

How was he supposed to get playing time when Luke and TD were on the field? When he finally did get a chance to regularly start, he had to line up next to Luke behind one of the worst defensive line performances we've seen on the field.

Follow that up with a new staff and it's no surprise that casual observers are just now starting to appreciate what Shaq brings to the table.

when you're on the field, theres always space to make plays, shaq didn't. look at chinn, he was a rookie and he was outplaying shaq last year, thats facts. luke did all the work and shaq mainly followed behind him. luke would literally be telling players where to go and what to do. i get it though, i don't think coaches played shaq to his strengths up until now. 

3 hours ago, weyco2000 said:

Actually the most impressive QB on the field was Heinicke. 

 basically.

11 hours ago, Icege said:

Thank you.

We saw a lot of folks pounding the table during the offseason and claiming that we needed to cut Shaq because he was a "a JAG that was getting paid to be elite while being a liability in coverage" while Carter Jr was a "mini-Luke" in the making because he talked about film.

JCJr is an incredible back-up LB that can play ST and get your team through the season should your starter(s) go down, but he should not be the incumbent starter.

to be honest, shaq thompson only had 1 elite year, and thats this year. wanting him to be traded was a fair assessment because up until now neither he nor donte was producing. donte got better and shaq, i believe the coaches are choosing to play him like he played in college : linebacker who plays like a safety. smart decision.