Agent Blue

32 minutes ago, ImaginaryKev said:

Honestly only thing I dislike about this draft is knowing how many times I'm gonna log into this message board and have to read posts from folks who never played sports or get off their couch calling Deonte Brown fat and out of shape

he was fat and out of shape. that is why didn't play well at senior bowl and nearly went undrafted. 

if he was 320 pounds he would have been a 1st-2nd round pick

My thoughts on Brady

Strengths

- athletic AF

- good feet

- good IQ

Weaknesses

- needs to improve his hands use (specifically, chopping DE's hands/arms)

- needs to anchor faster (he regularly gets pushed back)

- needs to get meaner (doesn't look for work or always try to burry dudes)

how is it possible to be that unathletic ?

Actually I need to change that 7th round pick

1st (8) CB Jaycee Horn

2nd (59) WR Terrace Marshal Jr

3rd (70) OT Brady Christensen

3rd (83) IOL Quinn Meinerz

4th (126) DT Daviyon Nixon

5th (158) OT Tommy Doyle

5th (166) CB Keith Taylor

6th (204) IOL Deonte Brown

6th (222) IOL Trey Smith

7th (232) LB Dylan Moses

7 minutes ago, 45catfan said:

He dropped because he got his lunch ate in 1-on-1 drills at the Senior Bowl against the top athletic D-linemen. I remember his lateral movement was nonexistent.  He will have a hard time picking up loops and stunts.

dude was fat AF at senior bowl.

of course he aint going to be able to block poo being in such terrible shape.

he needs to drop down to 320-330

Just now, Trainwreck said:

When Rhule asked if he was coming, Fletcher stated that he was trying to figure it out. Showed that they have been talking to each other. Rhule probably felt like another team could draft him, so he went ahead and took Fletcher. Rivera took the 2nd LS three spots later. 

you are allowed to talk to draft prospects.

fletcher thought rhule was talking about undrafted fa, as he was def not expecting to be drafted in the 6th

4 minutes ago, Moo Daeng said:

One of the best prospects in the 6th? Lol

If they wanted him they would have drafted him. It's obvious they didn't want him.

don't care if they wanted him or not.

dude was top 5 to 10 in every pre draft IOL rankings.

was a steal in the 6th for the team that got him.

i imagine a lot of people will be looking to swap out tremble, hubbard and fletcher at the least.

1 minute ago, YourLastThought said:

Well i guess you kind of have to have one and if your current one is somehow headed out the door might as well draft one late that you considered the very best.

naw, you can get a sufficient LS in undrafted FA

we passed up one of the best IOL prospects in Trey Smith for a LS when our OL needs improvement

lol who the fug drafts a LS in the 6th over Trey Smith.

he couldn't believe it

Just now, Newbie said:

I don't understand, Keith Taylor is listed at number 116 but all of these dumb motherfugers on this board think we wasted a pick at 166 on him. People are listing him 3rd and 4th string on their projected depth charts. I can't wait to see everyone's heads explode when he starts on the outside.

just seeing him cover from senior bowl clips had me sold.

dude can move.

Surprising not a ton different. Very good draft from Rhule and Fitts

1st (8) CB Jaycee Horn

2nd (59) WR Terrace Marshal Jr

3rd (70) OT Brady Christensen

3rd (83) IOL Quinn Meinerz

4th (126) DT Daviyon Nixon

5th (158) OT Tommy Doyle

5th (166) CB Keith Taylor

6th (204) IOL Deonte Brown

6th (222) IOL Trey Smith

7th (232) DT Phil Hoskins

2 minutes ago, Asurfaholic said:

THEY AREN’T ELITE QBS

Your personal distaste for Sam Darnold is showing here. 

Any QB that is projected to go in the top 5/10 picks is considered an elite college QB.

What you talking about? I was for not drafting Fields or Jones.

I want to see what Sam can do with Rhule and Brady.

Sam has a crap load of potential.

2 minutes ago, Panthers Rhule said:

You're right. its not just missing out, it's YOU missing out. 

YOU are a big miss. Obvious miss

and yet, YOU WON'T be missed

cute

2 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

I have read that he wasn't allowed to call audibles or change plays. The offense was completely run by Gase from the sidelines  and Darnold ran what he was told from the sidelines. That scheme is worlds apart from we run now. There is a question about whether Darnold can go from merely a guy who does what he is told with no alteration to the play to a guy who can manipulate defenses with player movement before and after the snap and making good reads and delivering the high percentage throws. 

You can surely argue that he doesn't know how to do those things but it isn't clear if he has the capacity or simply was never the opportunity given how awful Gase was as a coach and how poor the scheme is for the Jets.

If what my coach is telling me to do isn't working after 1 half, I am going to start doing what I feel is best for me and my offense come the 2nd half.

A QB has to be able to make audibles, change protections, set hot reads, change progressions etc etc.

6 minutes ago, Asurfaholic said:

Oh really? I can’t think of one time in recent years a coach has faced backlash when a player they drafted high failed to produce. It happens all the time. 

you missing the point.

it's not just missing on a high draft pick.

it's we need a franchise QB. there were two elite level QBs on the board and we passed over them.

that is a kind of move that will get GMs and coaches fired if what they choose to roll with at QB doesn't pan out and those skipped over players become elite.

3 minutes ago, Sir Purr said:

You obviously have never seen the Patriots draft. 

you can miss on any round if you are winning titles.

had Bill consistently missed on rounds 1 and 2 and didn't win, he would be fired.

3 minutes ago, Asurfaholic said:

You put way too much stock in what others think. The PANTHERS made what the PANTHERS thought were the best moves available to them. Again they have put in the work to craft a draft grade for each player they drafted, and they obviously disagree with this “common” idea that each of the players you listed were the better choice. 
 

It’s not apples to oranges. The simple fact again is that anyone can be great, and anyone can flame out. 
 

And again, why would you be sharpening your pitchforks when all you have invested in it is reading the opinions of media outlets who are paid to vomit their stupid takes all over Twatter. 

I am about wanting my team to win titles.

I could care less what others think.

Mac and Fields played elite in college.

If you pass on them and your QB flames out, that is GM/Coach firing material usually.

I actually wanted us to pass on them. I want to see what Sam can do.

But doesn't change the fact that its going to be bad news if that plays out like that.

4 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

We have a higher grade on Darnold than Fields/Jones. Are teams wrong on their grades? Yes, all the time. The team with the most pressure is the Niners. Imagine Lance busting and Fields/Jones playing great after trading 3 first rounders to move up and get him. I personally think he will do great with Shanahan, but they gave up a lot and time will tell...

a pre draft grade goes out the window once a guy plays.

sam could have had a perfect grade, but he has played like pure butt cheeks since being in the NFL.

we talking dead last or near dead last on all QB stats.

he has the talent and potential. but he hasn't come close to utilizing it much less maximizing it

1 minute ago, imminent rogaine said:

I totally agree but why stop there? The Rams got Jake Funk with the 233rd pick. Not only did we miss him there at 232 when we took Hoskins, but we passed on him 11 times! That is gonna burn big time if he turns out to be an elite level talent. I’m not going to say that we go ahead and fire Fitterer and Rhule over this but it certainly puts them on the hotseat.

those misses are acceptable as its a roll of the dice on day 3.

you can't miss on day 1.

Just now, Asurfaholic said:

Every player in the draft has a chance of flaming out or being great. 
 

The draft decisions are made by people who are paid well to do what they do. Armchair GMs are not putting nearly the same hours in evaluating the talents, needs, and future plans of the team. 
 

no reason to sharpen your pitchforks and make random comparisons. How many teams passed on Tom Brady? 

brady was not thought of as an elite qb coming in the draft.

apples to oranges.

1 minute ago, TheWiz said:

This is a frivolous pursuit in self injury. If you havent been tracking this when we missed out on every other good player for the past 20 years, dont start now. 

its not just missing out.

it's a big miss. Obvious miss.

for example, no one could blame us for taking Cam in 2011, regardless if he sucked and another QB turned out awesome.

1. Fields becomes a franchise QB with Sam flaming out

2. Jones becomes a franchise QB with Sam flaming out

3. Suritan becoming an elite CB and Horn flaming out

4. Slater becoming an elite LT and Christensen flaming out

Could keep going but these are the main ones

he is one of the better draft experts.

just lol at sea, az and indy

is there any good OT with 32 inch arms? can't seem to find any. seems like 33 in the lowest

https://www.milehighreport.com/2021/4/21/22395856/can-you-be-an-above-average-offensive-tackle-in-the-nfl-with-short-arms