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33 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

It’s getting painfully desperate...  Show me a source stating he won’t be cut or traded? Show me something stating he is a capable starter? Why hasn’t the GM came in and stated Teddy is our starter to kill these rumors? It can’t be a report or link to a journalist either. You criticize every report we link up here, yet you have no concrete data that backs what you are saying.

You want me to prove a negative. Ok, I'll tell on opening day.

39 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

You have to keep evaluating the QB position until you have a guy that can get you into the playoffs and win a Super Bowl. Straight from the owner’s mouth. If Teddy was that guy, this wouldn’t have to be said. Other owners and staff don’t talk about their starting QBs this way.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/30853889/sources-carolina-panthers-offered-no-8-pick-teddy-bridgewater-matthew-stafford%3fplatform=amp

We offered our first and Teddy for Stafford, it’s been reported and never disputed. 
 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/pantherswire.usatoday.com/2021/03/01/49ers-called-panthers-teddy-bridgewater-trade-talks/amp/

Niners calling inquiring about Teddy after Lynch stated they need some insurance for Jimmy G.  I see you have dug in on this Teddy is a good starter in the NFL and made it difficult the get out of the spot you are in by denying and arguing with numerous people on here. It’s no secret our staff wants to upgrade him and will get rid of players and picks to do so (for Watson or a higher pick in the draft).

What is Tepper supposed to say? He doesn't want a super bowl quarterback? What does evaluation mean, changing quarterbacks every year that you don't win the super bowl? 

You need to stop following the yellow brick road laid down by pontificating sports writers. There's no action here. All there is, is speculation by folks with no vested interest in anything but clicks and ratings.

Here's what I think. You, as in the people here, are transferring you your wants onto the organization and you are using any whisper of dissatisfaction of Teddy's first year with the team, as all the confirmation you need that what you want will happen. And Every sports writer that says Bridgewater is about to be traded, becomes your new best friend.

2 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

That's already been done earlier in the thread (specifically, Darin Gantt confirming the Stafford trade offer).

And to be clear, denying what's been shown to you plainly isn't funny, interesting or effective. It shows you've got nothing to offer.

You have been lied to, and you bought the whole thing. Gantt's source for the trade rumor was a report. He then inserted the new GM's "in on every deal' quote, which was unrelated to anything between the Lions and the Rams, to try to connect the Panthers to that trade.

A long time sports fan like you would have seen right through that lie if you wouldn't spent so much time sucking up to the mob, and being the good little sports fan. 

3 hours ago, ForJimmy said:

Exaggeration is something most sports fans do. How many “once in a generation” prospects have you heard about in your life.   It gets amplified for the QB position like everything else. The staff has spoken pretty clearly about Teddy and I don’t see us coming back from that. Teddy was a risky FA that looked solid in a limited window with a ton of talent around him in NO. We gambled (a little) on him and it didn’t work out. There is a reason teams are not blowing up our phones to trade for him. The Niners are “interested” because there starter always gets hurt and they want a solid backup for insurance. I personally wouldn’t mind him starting while we groomed a Fields or Lance, but I don’t know if that’s possible anymore.

There's a difference in exaggeration and being wrong. This place is the perfect example. Panther fans are wrong about Teddy Bridgewater not being a starting caliber quarterback, but they are flat out lying about him being offered to the Lions.

Who is this staff that has spoken so clearly about Teddy. What exactly did they say, and what is it that you can't come back from. You're killing me with the vagueness and innuendo.

The problem with a lot of sports fans is that they're playing with monopoly money where they can take a "little" twenty million dollar gamble and then get a do over because "it didn't work out" . An  then some other team in "interested" in a twenty million dollar back up.

Hanging out in a mob is easy living. No thinking required. 

17 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

Why does this guy like Teddy so much? Does the Huddle over exaggerate how bad Teddy is? Yes, of course. Should fans be satisfied with Teddy as their starting QB? No, of course not. He is a good backup who can step in and win some games by playing it safe. Our Owner, GM, and Head Coach have all hinted at upgrading our QB position.

I’ll be the first to admit I thought he had potential in Joe Brady’s offense with our weapons last year before the season started and several games in. I saw enough to know he isn’t the answer...

Exaggeration is an euphemism for lying. If Teddy's so bad, what's the need for all of that? Football, and the NFL in particular is purported to be a meritocracy. If, and when a better option at quarterback comes along, the Panthers will replace him. Everyone understands that, especially Teddy, since he has been in both camps.  

19 minutes ago, TLGPanthersFan said:

Amusing coming from a person making posts that are astronomically dumber. Like thinking Teddy is a franchise QB. Ignoring facts and stats and denying things that you can google and see actually happened, like the Stafford trade attempt.

You are like that knight in Monty Python and the Holy Grail. You have your arm chopped off and deny that it is and it is just a flesh wound. I feel sorry for any fanbase your precious Teddy goes to because they will have to deal with god awful fans like you. 

So you saw the Safford trade attempt? You can help you mob brothers out by posting a link showing that a member of the Panthers organization has confirmed that they offered to trade for him. Nobody else seems to be able to do it. All they can say is that everybody in the mob knows that it happened.

What exactly is a franchise quarterback? Was Cam a franchise quarterback? How about Goff. What is the attraction to being a franchise quarterback if you can be taken out with the trash at the pleasure of the franchise that you're the quarterback of?  Maybe idolizing the franchise quarterback is just mob think. You know, like kneeling before the King. You should try to think about that. 

2 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

Yeah...It was halfway amusing before. Now you've crossed over to just plain stupid.

You were never amusing.

24 minutes ago, KSpan said:

What a dumb response.

How else do you respond to a dumb post?

30 minutes ago, KSpan said:

It's peculiar that you cited it out of the blue as evidence of learning/development when it hasn't been brought up on this board and more specifically not in this thread. Dredging something up from 5 years ago is some serious fanboy activity, again assuming that you aren't actually Teddy or someone in this very close orbit.  

And I did see the left-handed pass, as did most NFL fans at the time - he put up a line of 10 for 19, 99 yards in that game vs the Packers... As I said, I defended him about it less than a week ago on a general NFL board. I'd cite it for you and give yet another documented example proving yet another of your assertions wrong but in your world having something documented seems to give it less credibility, so we'll just leave it there.

I know you ain't trying to hear all that stuff about Teddy learning from his mistakes, but that's what will happen weather you like it or not. 

2 minutes ago, Kentucky Panther said:

He defended him all during the season. And his clown ass hid away after Teddy started tanking. He’s a total chode. 

Now I'm back.  Are you a member of the hate mob?

19 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

It's not "borderline".

Our trade offer to Stafford was well reported and documented. Climbing that never happened is delusional as hell.

I guess when Teddy gets shipped out or replaced, he'll deny that happened too.

No it wasn't. It was a figment of some ones imagination that folks around here just want to believe. 

20 minutes ago, TLGPanthersFan said:

I know the mods find you entertaining but you are borderline delusional. Please do something so they will ban you. 

Somebody doesn't know about the ignore function. Aside from that, what do you have against borderline delusional folks that would make you want them banned?

6 minutes ago, WarPanthers89 said:

Kuddos to you. I don’t believe anyone on the planet has defended Teddy B as hard as you have on this thread. No matter your feelings about him.....I can promise you Teddy is not a QB that will ever win a super bowl (as a starter). 

You wouldn't make that guarantee if Teddy was with the Saints.

9 hours ago, KSpan said:

 

Your continued stooping to accusing me and others of a personal vendetta is feeble and pathetic. Between your comments on the Stafford trade and my posts, if citing sourced information that includes literally Carolina's staff and FO is 'editorializing' then you have an issue with reality. I opine on him as a player, nothing else, and you sure know nothing about me either.  I will consider and own any proof you can quote here of where I've attacked Teddy personally but don't need to because you have none. It doesn't exist because it hasn't happened.

I don't recall that left-handed being mentioned recently on this board... If jt's been cited in this thread please remind me of where. Ignoring that stretching at the goal line apparently flew in the face of what he'd been specifically coached not to do I actually defended him about that play in the past, saying he was a young guy who just got caught trying too hard. Even then one would expect a 7th-year player who is supposedly a smart, disciplined QB to be able to listen to his coaches and not make such a simple Football 101 mistake he 

This isn't complicated. Teddy looked exactly as he's always looked as a starter and got figured out, again. The issues objectively on film were/are as they've always been - lack of arm strength/anticipation, poor downfield accuracy, no dynamics to his game (allowing defenses to sit), and drives dying in the red zone (exactly what happened all year). He may not have regressed but he has not developed, and the odds of a guy going into his 8th year, 6th if one prorates for the injury, suddenly popping are slim to none.

The Stafford trade offer didn't happen. Just letting you know. If you want to continue to insist that you know somebody that heard about the offer, go ahead and then knock yourself out. Repeating that lie says more about you than it does about Teddy.

You don't remember the left handed pass, because you didn't see it. It happened in a 2015 game where he threw an interception with his left hand while he was trying to avoid a sack. The point being that he won't repeat those type of mistakes where he goes off schedule trying to make a play, as he did in both 2015 and in the most recent Packer game.

What you know about Teddy is what you copy-paste from the hate Teddy crowd. You actually don't know that much about football. You have no idea about Teddy's arm strength because he only throws is as hard as he needs to, and that he more often than not, relies on "anticipation" and a quicker release. You would know that if you knew football instead of what everyone else is saying. 

If all you know about quarterbacking is arm strength and dynamics, then you don't know how a quarterback develops. But if that's what you need to see in a quarterback, and Teddy doesn't do it for you, just keep you membership in the hate mob current, and wait til he's out of here, and then you'll be good.

Game manager have won super bowls so Alex Smith certainly could have won one of those.   

20 minutes ago, SteveSmithTD89 said:

We'll agree to disagree on the validity of that trade offer. Thats an SI article with tweets from Adam Schefter. If you've got any evidence of the contrary either as or more substantial than that please share it!

I dont disagree that I look at that move and think its dumb. If it were me I'd be inclined to maybe offer like a 3rd and a future 2nd. Nothing more and especially not number 8 overall.

I only dove deeper into his wins because you are parading 4 wins around like a badge of honor when Kyle Allen won 5 games last year for the Panthers with a lame duck coaching staff, similar offensive weapons (albeit with a healthy CMC) and the worst defense in the history of the NFL by several metrics.

I think Teddy and the offense performed admirably, especially at the start of the year with all the afore mentioned problems of a rookie staff figuring it out with a fresh young defense. I wouldn't even pin that Raiders loss on him because of Bradys rookie moment of getting too cute on 4th and inches giving the ball to Armah. 

My issue, and the one I alluded to earlier was Teddys play down the stretch. From week 10 on he looked abysmal.

That same stretch of games the defense actually started to gel (really once Whitehead was benched) and given their youth and undermanned talent held their own. Their 100% were still some growing pains like the cant get off the field on 3rd down to save our life for a 3 week stretch @KC and @NO (to me Teddys most impressive games) and VS TB but they were hardly the turnstile they were earlier throughout the remaining games. Look at some of these numbers from the stretch. 

VS ATL

(Teddy got hurt on a dirty cheap shot, admirably came back in but did not look right)

Held Ryan to 281 yards, 1 INT, no TDs

Held leading rusher B. Hill to 5y yards, Gurley to 2.6 YPC on 18 attempts

VS DET

(Teddy out with injury,  PJ walker throws 2 terrible redzone picks)

20-0 shutout win, held AP to 17 yards rushing, 5 Sacks, 11 QB hits 

@ MN

Dalvin Cooks worst game of the season, Chinn scored two defensive TDs 

@ GB

Held Aaron Rodgers to a season low 143 yds, 1 TD, sacked him a season high 5 times

@ WFT

Special Teams TD, 2 picks on Haskins, 3 sacks

Im not some extemist saying Teddy is the worst QB in the league. Im not advocating cutting him and rolling with PJ Walker or Will Grier. I just think the production does not warrant his salary. If theres an opportunity to improve for cheaper or to add a legit top 3 QB in this league like a Watson I want it explored. Doesn't mean I'm married to the idea of "Anyone but Teddy" because the best option for the future of the team may very well be rolling with Teddy on a second chance with a healthy CMC and a nasty mauling Oline. Remember, I only got involved in this thread over your ridiculous comment of our WRs being the problem. 

Maybe Teddy physically wasn't used to the wear and tear of a full season, maybe he played through some lingering effects of the dirty shot he took against ATL or maybe the hit just made him play scared the rest of the season ala David Carr. Either way, he was not the same QB he was earlier in the season. If he can get healthy, get stronger and start pushing the ball down field he has enough positive attributes to be a solid QB. Am I skeptical? Yeah. Do I hope I'm wrong? Absolutely. Because again, I only want my team to win and there isn't a scenario where a better Teddy Bridgewater is a detriment to this team. 

 

Glad to see someone acknowledge that Teddy did something right around here. Now let me run this by you. Teddy's worst showing as a NFL quarterback happens to have been his best statistical year. Now in the totality of Teddy's career he has never regressed as a player. And if he plays for the Panthers next year, which common sense says that he would, he's going to be better. Now it may not be enough for the statistical hounds, but he's going to help make the Panthers a better ball club. Now if the Panthers want to move on from him then, there will be a team that's a game manager away from a conference championship interested in him. 

I see Teddy's struggles this year as an aberration. I'm positive that he won's try to reach the ball over the goal line again, just as he never tried another left handed pass. I also know that he will finish those end of game drives, because of the success he's had at the end of halves. 

30 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

It doesn't take that much effort.

There's a pretty extensive discussion of it here.

And if you want the word from Gantt, it's pretty easy to find on the team site.

The Panthers were mentioned in recent reports about trading for quarterback Matthew Stafford for one simple reason -- they were involved in the discussions.

He adds this...

The Panthers will be mentioned in reports about other quarterbacks this offseason for one simple reason -- they will be involved in the discussions.

 

Rumor mongering all out in the open. You said that the Panthers offered Teddy and draft picks for Stafford. Where is the source for that. Do you know what a rumor is. It's speculation about a report. What report? Who wrote that report and who were his sources. You got nothing, and you're eating it up and passing it along like gossip.

4 minutes ago, KSpan said:

After making what you are intimating was such a large investment and seeing Teddy's QBing firsthand, the seemingly cap-proof Saints let him walk even with old man Brees teetering on retirement and a surefire starting spot opening up, opting to keep an older wanna-QB and sign Jameis instead. Interestingly, Hill was on pace this year to throw for as many TDs as Teddy did for the entire season... but that's surely coincidence.

Teddy was perhaps then too scared of Mitch Trubisky to sign in Chicago. Mitch did win 2 more games as a starter and passed for more TDs while starting 6 fewer games this year... but that's also surely coincidence.

Either way, Chicago and Carolina appeared to be the only teams willing to entertain him as a starter and the contract that Carolina offered was a clear 2-year tryout. Teddy may not even make it that far, which leads us to this conversation and your assertion that everyone just 'hates'.

Don't be mad at the man for taking the best offer at the time. Hindsight being what it is, I now wish he would have looked harder at the Patriots.

Your editorializing Teddy's career path epitomizes your personal animosity for the man. To be so willing to poison the well around a player who very well might end up starting for the team you say you like is not smart and not healthy for the atmosphere surrounding your favorite team. 

Never the less. Teddy has two years let on his deal, and the organization has done nothing to change that in spite of your hopes and dreams and and rumor mongering.

1 minute ago, KSpan said:

That's in addition to the 3 that already came to the same conclusion that he was not starter material. Hell, dude got traded to leave rookie Sam Darnold and Josh McCown on the roster before his first preseason with the team even ended. Guess it was just more hate and blindly following narratives.

Feeling the love already.  

Oh by the way. The Saints gave up a third round pick for Teddy, which happened to be their first pick in that draft. Two years later the Panthers signed him for three years, so whatever you are trying to say, you are failing badly, along with wearing that foul stench of hate.

1 minute ago, Mr. Scot said:

Yeah, that's me

Find that link to the he said trade rumors yet? I'll give you ten years to find it.

50 minutes ago, KSpan said:

Ah yes, claiming the views of people that disagree with you are actually based on their personal dislike of someone/something else and not the objective and verifiable facts and observations they've offered. The last bastion of the deluded, willfully ignorant, and/or shameless internet troll.

All you have to do is just keep posting and the hate will seep out like a bad body odor. You know like insinuating that Teddy had some undefined physical limitation because he is not a run first quarterback. 

4 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

His current general manager and head coach are looking at dumping him.

And just to be clear, two, three, four or more people can independently come to the same conclusion.

My conclusion that Bridgewater is a backup at best came from my own eyes, not someone else's mouth.

Sure more than person can independently come to the same conclusion. You just don't seem to be in that group by the way you pass along rumor and innuendo. No worries, because conformation bias, and conventional wisdom seems to be the norm around here.

44 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Albert Breer was one. Bill Voth and Darin Gantt, who both not only report on the Panthers but are employed by them, have also acknowledged that the pursuit of Stafford happened.

I'd add that unless you're in your mid-fifties or older I've likely been watching the NFL since before you were born. I have no trouble forming my own opinions.

My opinion of Bridgewater is that he's best suited to be a backup.

You have to do better than he said, he said, he said. Where are the links of these Panther employees acknowledging a trade offer to the Lions.

If you are truly able to form your own opinions, then you wouldn't regurgitate the opinion of so many amateur opinionaters about Teddy being more suited to be a back up when Two general managers and three coaches installed him as a starter. 

11 minutes ago, SteveSmithTD89 said:

Seriously, have you been living under a rock? Nothing I said was false, its all verifiable and well documented. This isn't me speaking out of both sides of my mouth. This isn't a unicorn scenario. 

We offered out 1st, 5th and Teddy for Stafford. We were reviewing his dang medicals before the Rams upped their offer.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.si.com/nfl/lions/.amp/news/panthers-offer-for-stafford-revealed

Matt Rhule did lay it out for Teddy, here's the article for that too. 

https://www.nfl.com/news/matt-rhule-says-teddy-bridgewater-has-to-have-a-tremendous-offseason

And Teddy won us 4 games and kept us competitive? I greatly disagree. Outside of the 1st ATL game 2 of our 4 wins with Teddy at the helm were some of his worst games with us. 1 TD and 5 FGs against the Chargers squeaking by a rookie QBs first start and then 2 TDs and a pick against the Cards who the defense shut down and held Hopkins to the worst game of his season and held Kyler Murray to 130yards. Hardly the reason we won those games.

 

Hell, by that logic Kyle Allen won us 5 the year before and kept us competitive in several games as well.

From Week 10 on Teddy averaged 266 yards, threw 2 TDs and 4 picks while being sacked 12 times. Assuming that's the entire teams fault excluding Teddy though right? 

I dont hate Teddy. I would love nothing more for him to suddenly become a transcendent QB. The team would be far better for it. I just don't see a QB suddenly making that leap and changing everything about them going into their 7th year. 

I'm done going back and forth on this one man. Like I outlined before, if Teddy was half as good as you're making him out to be we'd be in legit contention for our Division next year and have a multitude of different scenarios going into the draft with FA coming up and plenty of cap space. Instead, based on the coaches and GMs opinions we are left with a QB who is replaceable and worth exploring every avenue to upgrade. 

 

Your source for that trade rumor is as credible as you are. That would be not at all. Again, the Panthers aren't that stupid. 

You just can't help yourself, stepping all over Teddy's qb wins even though he had a rookie head coach, a rookie play caller, an injured running back and no tight end to speak of. See how you run down the teams that your team beat? Now look in the mirror at your defense during that 0-8 stretch and see if you have nightmares of Brees, Brady, Foles, Mahomes , and Matty Ice getting fat on Phil Snow's bend and break defense. Your defense who you choose not to acknowlege was giving up third and twenties like granny going north. They even gave the slowest quarterback in football about eight seconds to run 18 yards untouched by human hands for a go ahead touchdown.

You don't hate Teddy? Could have fooled me. You did go from naming your dog after him to not hating him, so I guess that's something.

If the Panthers tighten up that offensive line, and plug some holes in that defense, you darn right the Panther should be in contention for the division.

8 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

It wasn't anonymous. It came from very credible sources.

You on the other hand are both anonymous and a non-established source, so what reason would I have to believe you?

I'm not trying to get you to believe me. I'm trying to get you to think.  You are following a bunch of arm chair general managers who want to go all nuclear on the Panthers because they don't like Teddy Bridgewater.

Who's your source on the Lions thingy.

1 minute ago, Mr. Scot said:

We almost did, and actually would have if not for the Rams coming along with a better offer.

That's been confirmed by more than one source.

Give your team more credit than that. The only credible source is from either the Panthers or the Lions, and none of this anonymous crap.