Breakpoint4510

4 minutes ago, SteveSmithTD89 said:

I dont disagree all QBs miss receivers. I would argue Teddy benefited from one of the best receiving corps in the league. You seem to believe the numbers are what they are solely because of Teddy.

Where was the receiving corps before Teddy got here? Again, three receivers putting up numbers playing with Teddy Bridgewater. Remember he had a rookie coach, an rookie play caller, no tight end, and a bunch of back up running backs. You just have no appreciation what so ever.

I'm also not chasing unicorns. This whole thread is full of you throwing out outlandish claims and deflecting blame from every single person not named Teddy Bridgewater. Not once have you acknowledged any of Teddys shortcomings. Every response is hyper critical of the offensive line, the receivers, the coaching staff, etc. Not once have you acknowledged Teddy has done any wrong. You are painting this picture that Teddy Bridgewater is on the same tier as Patrick Mahomes, Aaron Rodgers or any of the other top QBs in the game.

That's called balance, because not one of these piranhas acknowledged the obstacles Teddy had to overcome in order to have any success for this team. Not one of them, feel free to include yourself, even acknowledge that he had any success with this team. Now you have the audacity to expect me to throw chum to the ungrateful blood suckers.  Not happening.

If Teddy played as great as you've claimed Ruhle wouldn't have made the comments about him needing to have a tremendous off-season and needing to get better. 

Practicing against this defense? What kind of off season do you think he's going to have.

If Teddy played as great as you claimed, we wouldn't have been in the process of finalizing a deal to send the 8th overall pick to the Lions for Matt freaking Stafford. 

I thought you said you weren't into unicorns.  You really think the Panthers would give up their first pick for a player with two years left in his career? So with your top lip you claim that Rhule laid down the law to Teddy , and with your bottom lip you claim that Rhule was ready to throw away his first pick in the upcoming draft for a washed out 40 year old. Is he someone with credibility, or is he a desperate rookie throwing hail marys.

4 minutes ago, SteveSmithTD89 said:

If Teddy played as well as you claimed we very likely are a playoff team.

Teddy played well enough to get this team four wins, and stay competitive in eight to ten others.

If Teddy played as well as you claimed we would be talking about getting a franchise LT at 8. We'd be talking about potentially getting a stud MLB like Micah Parsons. Yhe thought of taking the 4th best QB in the draft would not be entertained.

That's what you should be doing anyway. 

I like everyone else in this thread want my team to win. QB is the most important piece to a team. If theres a chance to get better than average performance for less salary I want the option explored. 

How is wrecking the teams future for what may or may not be a marginal upgrade at one position helping with the winning thing.  Fantasy league transactions are not fit for the NFL.

 

2 minutes ago, TLGPanthersFan said:

There is no finicky crowd. Most, if not all, Panthers fans agree that Teddy Checkdown isn’t good enough. 15 TDs FIFTEEN is all he has thrown as a starter. That is bad. Really bad. 

Sad is believing that most Panther fans follow this forum. Delusion is believing that they agree with you.  

34 minutes ago, SteveSmithTD89 said:

Yikes. 

Look man, I love Teddy the person. I was born and raised in Louisville. I was at the Sugar Bowl in the student section when he whooped the Gators in what at the time was the biggest upset in BCS bowl game history. Hell, my 10 year old Dog who I've had since he was a puppy is NAMED Teddy. Teddy Bridgewater is on my Louisville Athletics Mt. Rushmore. Like I said, I LOVE Teddy. 

But this take? Not even insinuating, but outright saying that DJ Moore, Curtis Samuel and Robby Anderson can't beat tight man and THATS why the offense struggled? I can't get behind that. Thjs is close to the worst take in the history of this message board and I was here for the Jimmy Clausen truthers.

There are numerous examples of all 3 of those WRs bailing Teddy out on poor throws, being missed on deep throws either because Teddy lacks the arm strength to get them the ball. At the end of the day simply does not have the physical tools to get it done at the NFL level as a high end starter. 

Do better man.

If Teddy was the only quarterback that missed throws and had receivers make plays for him, you would have a point. But for some one who claims to know Teddy as well as you say, you seem to have surrendered your independent frame of reference, in order to following this finicky crowd chasing unicorns. I'm guessing you just need to fit in. Maybe you could do better.  

4 minutes ago, EgoDogg said:

Teddy isn't a Rookie. He's a vet NFL QB that should better than to throw a 2 yard pass on 4th and 9. He's being paid $20M a year. Which is way too much to go 0-8 when you have a chance to tie or win the game. And after a few years in the league, guys like Rhule & Brady won't get the same slack they do as 1st year HC & OC.

Teddy is the quarterback of the Panthers, he's not Jesus. If the only thing available is two yards then that's what you do. If he throws it into coverage and it gets picked you would be crying about that.

Question, who called the plays and sent in the personnel during that 0-8 stretch? How many opposing quarterbacks had career days during that stretch? How many running backs had 99 yard touchdown runs during that stretch? I'll be here all day. How many left tackles played during the 0-8.

2 hours ago, TLGPanthersFan said:

Lol. Hey I respect you love a mediocre player so much you seem to want to jump on a grenade for him. But man you need to just calm down and realize Bridgewater isn’t that great. His stat were terrible with the Saints and he wasn’t that great with the Vikings. 
A starting QB doesn’t throw 15 TDs as an average. I would expect him to throw at least 20+ as I said above. Also I gave you stats that you promptly ignored. 
Also those 4 dudes in the draft, and even Mac Jones are much more talented then Teddy Checkdown. 

With this team, mediocre puts you in the hunt for team MVP. Your stats are irrelevant because Teddy didn't need to throw 20 touchdown passes to win. He needed an offensive line that could handle stunts and blitzes. 

Your problem is that you are impatient. You have visions of getting to a super bowl by giving away draft capitol and young talent for a quarterback who needs draft capitol and young talent in order to build a winning team. This is what teams like the Jets and the Browns do.   

2 hours ago, KSpan said:

Brady took plenty of heat for that call and many others (you might see that if you ventured outside of the Teddy threads), and there were heaps of criticism thrown his way when all of the HC talk was happening. He was a first-year coordinator this year though so growing pain was/is expected - a very different story than someone who has been in the league for 6 years (7 now) and started multiple season's worth of games but still plays like a rookie. If Brady shows a lack of development beyond his rookie year, as Teddy has, then proper criticism will come his way along with proper expectations. At this moment though the two situations are not directly comparable.

But Brady is yet another strawman. You continue to present these arguments and deflect blame without acknowledging Teddy's performance, which is the only relevant topic in this QB-centric thread. You've been shown by myself and plenty of others how his deficiencies are self-contained and independent of other factors and yet continue to attack them... that's exactly what a strawman is.

Strawman: "an intentionally misrepresented proposition that is set up because it is easier to defeat than an opponent's real argument." Pretty apt description of your responses.

So you expect Teddy to cover for a Rookie Play caller, a Rookie coach, a tissue thin defense, a patch work offensive line and a injured running back, with three smallish receivers and no tight end. Well he did, but the Einsteins here believe you can get blood out of an onion.

Teddy squeezed as much as he could out of this lemon, but NFL coordinators will eventually take away what you do well, and in this case it was the three amigos that couldn't consistently beat the tight man to man.

What I'm doing here is giving Teddy the same slack that you are giving Brady, Rhule, the o-line and the defense.  

4 minutes ago, TLGPanthersFan said:

Teddy is who he is. A backup. Also, no, we don’t give credit for Teddy’s wins because he was on stacked teams with really good defenses and really good RB. He can hold down the fort but he will never win a Super Bowl. 
Also 15 passing TDs max ever as a starting QB is horrendous. I expect you to pass at least 20 to 25 TDs if you are a starting QB. 
If the Vikings had of not had a really good defense and really good RB they wouldn’t of even sniffed the playoffs. 
Teddy is not a franchise QB. He is a great back up and with a perfect team he can be dragged to a Super Bowl but we saw what happens when a Bridgewater type QB has to make a play to win the Super Bowl. He fails. 0-8. Will be glad when he is gone. Worse signing by Panthers ever. 

If you don't give Teddy credit for the wins, why do you blame him for the losses? Are you two faced or something? So you are looking for a super hero to as you say drag this bag of bones called the Panther to a super bowl. Good luck with that. Here's a tip, when you go to find your hero, don't give up next years first cause it's going to be a good one.

58 minutes ago, The Lobo said:

Well they answered the phone from the 9ers and them calling was just “due diligence” 

Yeah just like when your old lady's phone blows up after the bars close is just guys doing their due diligence.

34 minutes ago, KSpan said:

2 yard pass on 4th and 9 with the game on the line... that's just one. Repeated self-contained shortcomings at the most critical times that have nothing to do with any other Panthers unit. But please continue with the excuses and strawmen.

Brady gave the ball to a fullback on fourth down with the game on the line with CMC lined up right beside him. You want to get rid of Brady now? 

Someone must have learned a new word, and now they think it applies everywhere. A strawman is when you invent an unrelated subject and then argue against it. Telling you that the defense and offensive line, and not Teddy, are the problems with the Panthers, is not unrelated to the subject, which happens to be the reasons to replace Teddy Bridgewater.

4 hours ago, DaveThePanther2008 said:

Winning with the Viking and Saints are history.  That's like saying Cam, who I am a big supporter of, should have stayed with the team because he was MVP in 2015.  This is a what can you do for me now league.  Bridgewater showed NO ability to take the team down the field and win a game when we needed him too.  

Bridgewater had more than enough weapons to win a game.

He beat a rookie QB, a mediocre Cardinal team, a slumping Falcon team (who later beat us), and the WFT that gave us the game.  He did nothing against upper echelon teams.

You love Bridgewater and that's ok with me but to insist he isn't the problem your blind to the facts.

Once teams figured out he couldn't hit a deep pass to save his life, they played to stop the short game and showed his HUGE WEAKNESS. 

Everything you said about the Cardinals, Chargers and the Falcons rings true about the Panthers. As a matter of fact, the Cardinals and the Chargers were better teams with better records than the Panthers. The Panthers defense was where opposing quarterbacks got paid. In a five point Panther loss blamed on Teddy Bridgewater, The future hall of famer Drew Lock roasted the defense lead by Teddy himself for 4 touchdown passes and a 149 rating for the game. I guess Teddy's got to work on his cover skills. But what must really gnaw at you guys is the fact that in two more games in which the Panthers lost by one score Teddy couldn't force the Chiefs or the Saints to punt not one time. I guess Teddy has to work on his tackling too.

I kind of see now why Teddy unfollowed the Panthers. I believe that he's telling whoever's running their mouth about finding a super bowl quarterback to get busy. Other teams must have heard the message too thus the phone calls. Answer the phone Panthers.

1 hour ago, DaveThePanther2008 said:

This is exactly the reason no one wants him as our QB going forward.

If he had won half of those games we would have been in the playoff discussion.  

OOOOOOO FOR 8.  Tells me you have zero killer instinct.   

Who believes this bunch would give Teddy credit for wins. You didn't give him credit for winning with the Saints. Nor with the Vikings. If Teddy Bridgewater can win everywhere else except with the Panthers, then that means that the Panthers are the problem.

Well he's not off of the roster yet, and I think he's got better things to do than to defend his position with this team to these fair weather fans.

You could cut him tomorrow, and this team would be in worse shape no matter what you do , and he'd have another job by Monday.

Why do I have to be Teddy? Can it be that your echo chamber is so small that you cant conceive that anyone can articulate support for Teddy Bridgewater?

Teddy doesn't have time for you. He's more than likely somewhere working on ways to beat what Tampa Bay, and New Orleans  will be throwing at him next year.

You folks act like the next guy you get is not going to have missed plays and bad games. I personally can't wait until you actually get the quarterback that you deserve.

31 minutes ago, KSpan said:

Just keep hammering away at those strawmen.

What strawmen? Are you saying that the defense and offensive line are just fine and that the quarterback is the problem. Or you just want another quarterback, and to hell with everything else.

2 minutes ago, WOW!! said:

Fixed it for you...

Bridgewater haters didn't force him in failing in 8 game winning situation..

Or make his  15td passing his career best total..

Lol

Stop it Teddy and get those bags packed..

Now the hate is becoming overwhelming.

5 minutes ago, WOW!! said:

He doesn't have to.. His coach and his owner are telling him the same thing... 

Oh and his stats are making it very clear if he didn't get it from them...lol

Yeah they saying a lot with all these trade offers they are getting. Hell go ahead and get the risk it biscuit guy, he's out there.

Teddy Bridgewater haters are bad for the franchise.

1 minute ago, Jared Patterson said:

Teddy is that you?

I really hope doesn't read the sewage on this thread.

8 minutes ago, WOW!! said:

I thought ppl were joking.. But only Teddy would  say some dumb poo like this.. lmao

Kept us relevant?? What the fug are you talking about Teddy?? 

Keep patting yourself on the back for 15tds and 11ints thoe..lol

Being 0-8 in winning situation and blaming everything else is great leadership Teddy...lol

If you think blaming Teddy for that 0-8 situation makes you feel better, have at it. You are just setting yourself up for disappointment with your fixation on Teddy, who is more of the solution than the problem. If you insist on going down this reckless path of giving up assets for someone who can't help you, what's your solution for the defense and offensive line?

4 minutes ago, Scott12345 said:

I agree...the haters are out in force

if teddy had CMC & a good TE with any protection he would have done much better

CMC is our best player and he is a difference maker 

Agreed. There was no running game to speak of. All he had was the short passing game with smallish receivers.

All I know is this. No one is blaming the coaches or the defense for the Panther's problems. But they will be here when you get your savior. You all bragged about three receivers getting grand numbers, and you think that Brady did it. You also think that Teddy sacks himself, and throws short high percentage passes as though the revolving door at left tackle doesn't matter.

This is a very ungrateful group here. Teddy kept you relevant in at least 12 of the 16 games with a sucky defense, a sucky offensive line, a rookie head coach, and a rookie offensive coordinator. In spite of all of the suck around him, Teddy was competitive, he had positive numbers, and the next pick six he throws will be his first.

3 minutes ago, KSpan said:

Where have I said that type of move was the only way?

It's what you want to do. You want style over substance. Teddy Bridgewater is not the worst quarterback in the league. As a matter of fact Teddy went from the top of the league in some categories to the middle. To want to blow up the team just to get rid of a player that only have two years left smells personal or just plain dumb.

Why is the answer to your problem is to cripple the teams future in the hopes of finding the next Mahomes.

In Minnesota, and in New Orleans, Teddy won. What happened here? 

Your problem is that someone told you about that 0-8, and you think it's a bible verse. What makes you think that any other quarterback will have the Panthers in those competitive situations. Some of you are willing to pay a kings ransom in an attempt to upgrade the quarterback position. If Teddy was so bad, why would it take so much to get better than him?