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While we’re on the subject, D.J Moore is underrated as well. He’s also 11th in receiving yards since joining the league and 6th among all non running backs in yard from scrimmage in that time. 

He’s never missed a game and is also younger than anyone ahead of him on the receiving yards or yards from scrimmage (non running backs) list since he joined the league.

Burns (24), Moore (25), Icky(22)Horn (23),Brown (25). Are our top 5 core players that can be around and productive for us several seasons to come. Granted they are our last 5 first rounders. McCaffey rounded out are last 6 1st rounders.

They are perhaps the best 5 first rounders we have drafted consecutively since 02-06

(Peppers,Gross, Gamble, Thomas Davis and Deangelo Williams).

Burns is 11th in sacks and 13th in forced fumbles. He’s only 24 years old and anyone who has more sacks than him is also older. 
 

Once we turned down the rams offer (reportedly 2 first and a 2nd), we made the conscious decision that he’s not going anywhere.

He’s more valuable than given credit for and and has played 62 out of 63 possible games. 

15 minutes ago, Aussie Tank said:

I’m interested in who we get as WR coach. We really need to be able to develop some more outside of Moore 

Let’s go getBrian Hartline. Former nfl player, on the Browns with McCown in 2015.

Currently coaching WR’s at Ohio State who just produced the 2 best rookie WR’s this year Garret Wilson and Chris Olave.

I have always said look no further than the franchise tag cost and you will see where the value is in 1st round picks.

I completely agree that now is the time to make a move for a QB. My only caveat is I haven’t studied any of this draft class to know if one is truly worthy of a trade up. If we believe one can be a top 10 QB, then it’s really a no brainer, if however the brass correctly assesses this class and decides none of them can be that, then I’m open to all scenarios.

29 minutes ago, trucpfan said:

I see you didn’t watch Denver and Russell W this year he was he threw three picks that game and the backup qb played threw another pick. You want your defense to pitch a shut out with four different change of possession plays. That’s just one game Russell did that all year to his team and the D held it down.

I didn’t watch it. I’m just stating facts.

The Rams offense put 44 points, 388 yard of offense, 14 passing 1st downs. Over 9 total drives.

They also had drives that included going ,60,75 and 90 yards for TD’s

Plus 60 and 68 yard drives for FG’s.

Thats still 27 points where they earned all of it.  

1 of those 4 picks you mentioned was returned for a TD, so did nothing for field position to help the rams, another was a touchback.

The other 17 of the 44 points that offense put up on them were still earned and saw next to 0 resistance by the broncos Defense.

43 minutes ago, Prowler2k18 said:

Still can’t believe we lost to a Trubisky-led Steelers at home. But I digress - happier times ahead!

Not to be a Debbie downer but the Broncos did get beat by a Mayfield led offense badly . 2 passing TD’s, 3 more rushing and 3 FG’s. 44 total offensive points.

We also beat them with Darnold at the helm last year too!

I have read multiple articles and seen just about every interview and press conference featuring Evero. There’s certainly reasons to be excited and the fact that he was interviewed for every H.C opening counts for something.

I’m very hopeful that games like that were more of a reflection of the broncos lack of talent on defense, more so than on his coaching or play calling.

I can’t edit the OP but Steichen has only been calling plays for 1 year. So that makes Matt Canada of the Steelers the only offensive coordinator with play calling duties for 2 seasons with the same team! Factor in Tomlin as a defensive minded head coach and it makes that stat even crazier. 
 

I have been researching coaching staff's looking for coordinator candidates and recently decided to google NFL Coaches by tenure. 

The results are crazy:

Head Coaches

• There is 5 coaches who have made it a decade or more with their team. 
• Of the 5 who have made it 10+ years, 3 of them are on their 2nd NFL H.C gig. (Belichick, Andy Reid and Pete Carroll)
• Only 10 coaches, still employed by their team have made it 4 years or more with their current team.
• 10 current coaches are on their 2nd stint as an NFL H.C
• Steelers have only had 3 Head Coaches since 69, Chuck Knoll, Bill Cowher and Mike Tomlin
• Patriots have had 3 Head coaches since 93, Bill Parcells, Pete Carroll and  Belichick

Offensive Coordinators 

• Pete Carmichael is the longest tenured O.C. in the NFL. However he only started calling plays when Payton was suspended, had a broken leg or finally full time this year in Paytons absence
• Only 2 offensive coordinators have called plays for the same team 2 years in a row and remain employed for the same team. (Matt Canada with Steelers and Steichen with the Eagles)
• Kellen Moore  and Greg Roman would have been the longest tenured O.C's (since 2019) if the Cowboys and Ravens didn't let them go this year
• 13 Teams  had vacancies to fill at O.C. this offseason alone
• Pats hired Bill O'Brien, Jets hired Hackett, Chargers hired Kellen Moore, Cowboys hired Schottenheimer, and Rams hired  Mike LaFleur.
• Panthers, Colts, Ravens, Titans,Commanders, Bucs, Cardinals, and Texans all still have to hire someone

Defensive Coordinators

• 9 Vacancies to be filled this year vs 13 for offensive coordinators, well 10 if Cardinals let Vance Joseph go.
• 3 vacancies have been filled, Nielsen to Falcons, Fangio to Phins, and Jim Schwartz to Browns
• 12 defensive coordinators will be entering the 3rd season or more with the same team

NFL GM's by contrast get a much longer leash. Here's a list of their tenure that was updated last year:

https://www.profootballrumors.com/2022/06/the-nfls-longest-tenured-gms

Off the top of my head I do remember Colbert being with the Steelers since 02 and his retirement led to Khan's promotion. Not sure of any other recently retired long term GM's.

Aside from the Gettleman years we have largely crushed in selecting great players in round 1. Hasn’t done anything to help us since we haven’t had starting caliber QB since Cam.

3 first are absolutely worth it if lands us a franchise QB. Now if you don’t believe that QB can be had in this draft then that’s another story.

Also I’d be opposed to trading Burns or D.J Moore. Moore has put up incredible numbers with terrible QB’s tossing him the ball. Burns has quietly done a hell of a job being a great pass rusher for us and without him we’d be depleted in that department.  

 

34 minutes ago, mccjeff said:

Not saying no to Ricard but keep in mind he was DC for a team that lost to the Panthers 

twice.

True but he wasn't the play caller. They also held Darnold to 43 yards passing in the last game and only put up 10 total points.

In the other game, our defense won that one with 2 defensive TD's, plus wescored one flukey passing TD, the one where Shenault busted a long YAC.

Those games I would not consider an indictment against him. 

Context really puts things into perspective

As much as I love Kris Richard, I keep coming back to John Butler with the Bills.  He's been there for 5 years a defensive backs coach. Here's where the bills have ranked in passing yards and passing TD's allowed since he got there.

2018,1ST in passing yards allowed  and 11th in TD's allowed

2019, 4th and 2nd

2020, 13th and 9th

2021,1st and 1st

2022, 9th and 9th.

Conversely when you look at stopping the run, nobody has done a better job than the Ravens over the last few years. They have had some turnover defensively so hard to pin on 1 guy, but their D-line/assistant head coach Anthony Weaver seems like he's played he big role since getting their in 2021.

That being said he had a 1 year run as defensive coordinator in Houston in 2020 and it didn't pan out well. 

1 minute ago, Mr. Scot said:

I didn't say it made sense

Honestly it could just be that Dennis Allen wants to move on from some of Payton's holdovers and put his own stamp on the staff.

 

Could be. But as a secondary specialist he’s got one hell of a track record. Again I’m going purely based off stats(because I don’t have a better way to judge him base on the resources available)maybe it’s coincidental based on the rosters he coached having talent but they all seemed better with him than without him. 

He will either land somewhere quickly or he must have some type of character trait that is so toxic teams are willing to sacrifice his talent for peace of mind would be my best guess but not nice to assume I suppose.
 

5 minutes ago, Prowler2k18 said:

Valid point. Was wondering the same thing. He was a DC for 2 years in Seattle but mostly a defensive assistant or DB coach since until his gig with Saints.
 

And that whole time (including the 3 he was D.C) they had a very good pass defense.

Plus his time in Dallas as a secondary coach they performed well too!

You can sort the stats on various websites and for a quicker run down you can check out his bio while it’s still up on the saints site. https://www.neworleanssaints.com/team/coaches-roster/kris-richard

4 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Saints defense wasn't as good as they'd hoped last season.

I’m just looking purely at stats and I know that doesn’t tell the whole story, but their pass defense was tied for 3rd in passing TD’s allowed and 2nd in passing yards allowed. As the co-defensive coordinator/ secondary coach that looks pretty good to me.

I don’t understand why Kris Richard doesn’t have a job. His resume is as strong as you can get from a statistical standpoint. 
 

I don’t know anything about him other than his defenses have been stellar everywhere he goes but yet he continues to bounce around. 
 

Deuce seems to be a great get!

I liked that he’s coached a variety of successful backs(most notably Lesean McCoy)and nobody can deny the leaped improvement Jamal Williams had this year with 17 Rushing TD’s after averaging 3-4 for a few seasons prior.

I’m sure the success in Detroit is due to more than just him, but at least Deuce was a part of it and he can bring that experience with him. Also worth noting his years as a player with Andy Reid has HC. 
 

The more I read and see about him the more the hire looks great.

If you land QB who can get you to the playoffs your future 1st falls into the bottom half of the draft, so if the right guy comes available I’d be ok with 3 first including this years if necessary. 

I haven’t studied the QB’s in this years draft class but if one of them has the potential to be a top 5 QB, there’s not much I’d say no to.

Well we better get on the ball and hire coordinators before he starts filling out his staff there 

My top choice for D.C is Kris Richard and I highlighted why in another thread.

But my second choice would be John Butler from this bills. His bio looks pretty good too.

https://bufbills.com/player-bios/john_butler.pdf

COACHING HIGHLIGHTS
2018-Present: (Bills)
• Over four year period, led the Bills secondary to the top ranking in opponent passing yards per game (192.1) and passing TD allowed (72) in the NFL. Also assisted Bills defense toward top rankings in points allowed (19.9 ppg, 3rd), yards allowed per game (303.9, 1st) and 3 and out percentage (35.6, 3rd).
• Has overseen the development of CB Tre’Davious White and has helped him earned two Pro Bowl selections and two All- Pro selections. Also over saw the development of UDFA Levi Wallace to start 52 games in his first four seasons.
2014-17: (Texans)
2011: (South Carolina)
• Oversaw a special teams unit that helped the Gamecocks earn a top-10 finish.
2007-10: (Minnesota)
• Worked as the linebackers coach and special teams coordinator for the Golden Gophers.
2003-06: (Harvard)
• Worked as the linebackers coach and special teams coordinator for the Crimson. In 2004, he helped lead the team to the Ivy League title with a 10-0 record.
2001-02: (Texas State)
• Worked with the safeties and coached the special team unit.
1999-00: (Midwestern State)
• Worked as the defensive coordinator and focused on the linebackers and safeties.
1997-98: (Texas)
• Served as a defensive grad assistant for the Longhorns.
1995-96: (Catholic University)
• Started coaching the secondary at his alma mater after his senior year. Took over as the defensive coordinator and led the team to a top 25 finish in Division III.

   • During his four years overseeing the Texans secondary, Butler led a group that allowed the fourth-fewest passing yards per game (238.1), fewest third-down conversions (288) and the ninth-lowest passer rating (86.3).
• The Texans finished the 2016 season ranked first in total defense, along with allowing the second-fewest passing yards per game.
• Oversaw a secondary unit that helped the Texans to 2015 and 2016 AFC South division titles.
2012-13: (Penn State)
• Butler helped guide Penn State to rank second in the Big Ten and 16th nationally in scoring defense as the secondary coach in 2012 and the defensive coordinator in 2013.
   

8 hours ago, trueblade said:

I feel confident this question about who will be calling the offense will come up in the press conference on Tuesday.

I do too and it will be a shame if we don’t get clarity today.

Im also anxiously awaiting to see how’s going to be our defensive coordinator.  I’m all in on Kris Richard if we can pull him from the saints and also strongly opposed to Manuel. 

4 minutes ago, Khyber53 said:

Crazy as it sounds, I think Marty Hurney might be proven to be a better GM than Fitterer. 

Fit's got some serious issues to clear up. Marty did pay big money to running backs, but Fit paid big money to Robbie Anderson and Ian Thomas... I'm hoping Fit without Rhule makes a better showing.

Very possible. I’m ambivalent on him until we can see what he can do without Rhule. He inherited him as coach and I don’t know how to blame some of the dumb decisions that were made under his tenure, especially since Rhule supposedly had full control. 
 

If he wants to save his career he needs to go all in on finding a QB in the draft this year. That may be unfair because I honestly haven’t studied any of the QB’s in the draft this year, but without a young talent there this franchise is not going anywhere.

This is easy and perhaps the most unpopular opinion ever on here. I have never wavered on this!

Marty Hurney is a better GM than Dave Gettleman:

9 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

 

He's quoting a local columnist. I kinda doubt that guy's scooping Adam Schefter and Rapoport.

It's very possible that Fangio is going to sign with Miami but I'm gonna need a better source than that to really buy in.

I wouldn’t trust him over the likes of rappaport, schefter, pelissero, Josina Anderson. But they aren’t reporting conflicting info, so I trust him on this and I dont blame you for not.  Sounds like we will get word from the aforementioned names sometime soon! 

Just now, Mr. Scot said:

That guy's not a reliable source.

 

I disagree. Guy is very plugged in in Miami