panther4life

Since this date back in 2019 the Panthers have the worst record amongst the entire NFL. 18-48. Sadly 33% of those wins came in Wilks 12 game stretch to close out the season last year. Remove the 12 game stretch under Wilks and we have a record of 12-42 since 2019. Since Tepper bought the team in 2018 we have a combined record of 29-59. https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/worst-nfl-record-since-october-17th-2019

It was the Buc’s in the early days of the division. I don’t think we actually have one now.

I can’t believe Jakes first game was coming up on 20 years ago. I’ll never forget the roar of the crowd when he replaced Rodney Peete in the 2nd half, as he his play was abysmal and left us down 17-0. At first everyone assumed it was Weinke coming in but shocked when we saw that number 17 but the crowd was just ecstatic to see anyone but Peete come back out. While I don’t remember each play specifically I’ll never forget the feeling of watching him take command of the huddle and lead an improbably comeback to win 24-23. Absolutely one of the funnest games I’ve ever attended. A perfect beginning to a season that left us as close you can get to winning a Super Bowl.

I personally think hitting on any pick at this point is like winning some sort of lottery. Now is not the time to try and fill needs, that time has passed as you can’t reasonably expect anyone outside the top 100 to be an immediate impact player. That being said solid depth players that you can groom would be good to find here. Whatever we end up with here I’m good with unless it’s another long snapper who isn’t going to beat out J.J

Panthers will play against AR15,Levis and Stroud this year, assuming they all start since we play the AFC south this year.

Let’s start with the cardinals. They crushed it. Didn’t need a QB and could have had their top choice of any non QB in the draft. Instead they prioritized O-line help and got the first Tackle off the board(picks 10 and 11 were also Offensive tackles and they were sitting at 12 at the first trade). Over a series of 2 trades they only moved back 3 spots, picked up pick 81 this year and a 1st and 3rd from Texans next year. That’s insanely good value to move down 3 spots while only giving up pick 105 and 168. Good for them! For the Texans that worked out fairly well too in terms of instant gratification of getting a top tier QB and non QB of their choice but man I don’t think I wouldn’t have given up the next years 1st and 3rd to make that deal happen. Seemed way too rich on compensation. Now Lions, I just don’t understand their plight either. They were essentially sitting on their choice of the 3rd Non QB player available and dropped 6 spots to grab the 2nd running back taken?? Yes they got the 34th pick too but if I were a Lions fan I don’t think I’d be too happy, especially when you look at the compensation the cardinals just got to move back 3 spots vs 6 spots they just did. I know there were other much smaller scale trades and feel free to add them to the discussion but the ones above really stood out to me.

I have to disagree here. Have Sunday ticket for my wife who is a Giants fan. Daniel Jones carried them last year more than you’d think.

I agree with everything, but I would be really tempted if he's there at 39 or later.

I'd prefer that vs him landing at 8 in Atlanta. He has talent, not sure why he'd fall and honestly don't think he will.

They are complete polar opposites in just about every way. I guess with an all star staff like we have, they surely had confidence they could coach Richardson up but he still needs that coaching, where as Bryce is plug and play right now. I can't wait to see what happens with Stroud too. He has undeniable talent that shows up on game days. Levis just seems so weird to me with his whole eating an unpeeled banana schtick and mayo in the coffee. Admittedly I invested much less time in watching his games but he did nothing that led me to believe he would be worthy of the time once we got the number 1 pick. Lastly I hope Hendon Hooker lands in a good situation too and I wouldn't even be upset if he somehow ended up with us.

I’d take him at 39!

Smith is the best player in franchise history, so he’s easily the best value of all time. Charles Johnson at 83 turned out to be incredible value. Travelle Wharton at 94 is great value too. One of our best offensive lineman in team history. I mean I really like everyone you listed. I might even add Donte Jackson at 54 to the list. I’d also definitely add these players to the list. Mike Minter at 56. Will Witherspoon at 73 (I’m sure Dan Morgan especially would agree ) James Anderson at 88 was another good value. Geoff Hangartner at 169. Anyone who contributes as much as he did and picked that late deserves to be mentioned here I’d also have to at least give honorable mention to both Richard Marshall 58. Lastly I know he was still a first rounder but Chris Gamble was a top 10 talent and we were fortunate enough to get him at 28.

Should have mentioned in the original post, you can watch many of these games in less than 5 minutes and almost all in less than 10 for sure. So its not like it will take much longer than watching highlights and I find it to be more enjoyable

I took the time to look for all of these games and have watched many of them and thought others might enjoy taking a look for themselves so here's the YouTube links I found for each. This helps give you a better idea of his whole body of work vs just watching highlight videos. Posted in chronological order starting with the 2021 Season: Posting as YouTube links vs fully embedding to not clog your screen: Vs Miami https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxQwsUlOg_k Vs Florida https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Ie1aoMvB_s Vs. Ole Miss https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7EYSpPVV6I Vs. Texas A&M https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWVepM9gQL4 Vs Miss State https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFbeaNdd5Fo Vs Tennessee https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XueLI7DPOHI Vs LSU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yEjK9EcpLTo. Vs Arkansas https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZypCu-Ir60 Vs Auburn https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEV7ITYbAZo Vs GA (SEC Championship) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7wE1SO7pso Vs Cincinnati (Cotton Bowl) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FN8-LDNFywQ Vs GA (National Championship) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7wE1SO7pso 2022 Season Vs Utah State https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15TTxhh333Q Vs Texas https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQojJQql0Vo Vs Texas A&M (full game with no commercials) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JqF6ZNkf6Tg Vs Tennessee (ALL 22 VERSION) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JqF6ZNkf6Tg Vs Miss State https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nqkylWfs-k Vs LSU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yEjK9EcpLTo Vs Ole Miss https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BiktPoSfL4o Vs Auburn https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5v7_BnJG98 Vs Kansas State (Sugar Bowl) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsRqXc0ZQ64

I’ve literally stopped myself from making a thread on this exact scenario the past couple days but definitely something that could be intriguing. That being said I can’t see Stroud making it past 4, but maybe the Falcons trade up to 3 with Cardinals? Either way the suspense will be over soon enough.

I’ve started to ponder if it’s possible for the Falcons and Bucs to land a QB in round 1. Whether by staying put or making a move up. Stroud is the one I’d most prefer not see end up on a division rival.

Are we just going to ignore the fact Tepper let this guy make decisions with full authority and now think that he won't let his all star level staff with decades of experience and an infinite amount of more NFL pedigree decide who to pick?

Very good point. Just don't have time go back and watch the full versions.

nfldraftbreakdown was the site and it was amazing. Now its still something draft related but not worth anyones time. Had more than just QB't too, some maniacs took the time to cut up the games to just snaps WR's just blocked in or were targeted. Same for other positions too. Luckily, as I am sure you know(but sharing for those that don't ) now days you can still find most of the same stuff on YouTube by typing a players name vs opponent. For example "Bryce Young Vs Tennessee" I also agree with you that the best way to get an idea of a prospect is to actually watch whatever game footage you can find online that showcases how they do throughout entire games vs just highlights. Takes only a few more minutes to watch 4-5 entire games than you just watching 1-2 highlight videos so well worth the investment. I also appreciate the advanced stats too, because it forces me to go back and watch if it doesn't align with my original thoughts.

That was 2 minutes lol and mostly against Michigan. I stated his last 2 games he showed more of having to go through progressions (Michigan and Georgia). To be clear I have no bias towards Bryce and nothing strongly against CJ. I’ve always said I have CJ as 1A and Bryce as 1B. But I’ve forced myself to hear others opinions, research advanced stats to confirm what I thought I saw, and force me to rewatch and capture things I was wrong on. This guy does a great job of explaining why despite his talent as a pure passer this is why there are questions on Stroud: And if you really want to do a deep dive here’s C.J’s whole 2021 season condensed down into less than a 1.5 hours. Lastly if you want more viewing material, you can literally google Bryce Young vs (insert team) or CJ Stroud vs (insert team) and you will find almost every one of their games condensed down into 10 minutes or less per game. I have literally watched 75% or more of every pass both QB’s have attempted the last 2 years this way and it’s really helped me understand who they are.

Anyone participating? I’m not personally but still fun to look at. According to DraftKings for pick 1 Bryce -1400 Stroud + 700 Richardson + 1500 Pick # 2 odds are Will Anderson +150 Levis +250 Tyree Wilson +250 Stroud +275 Young +850 Jalen Carter +1500 Anthony Richardson +1800 No odds on pick 3. Side note: I wonder how much validity there is to the reports/thoughts of the Texans disliking Strouds agent David Mulugheta( same as Deshaun Watson) so much, that it could be a tiebreaker or some deciding factor in them passing on Stroud. Would the Texans really take Levis or Richardson at 2? Or trade out all together? I’d assume if they don’t take Stroud they have to trade to someone who does. I can’t wait to see where all of these QB’s land.

I really think it’s because he didn’t face enough adversity or consistently demonstrate an ability to look for a 2nd or third read as often as Bryce had to. It’s almost unfair to him that he’s being knocked down a notch because the offense he played in was so efficient that he knew where the ball was going 90% of the time pre-snap and it obviously worked. In his last couple games he really faced tougher situations and actually rose to the occasion quite well, but just had not shown enough of that throughout the year. Lastly, when you go back and look at the 2021 seasons, Bryce really outshined him and it’s easy to see why he won the Heisman that year. On the flip side, CJ has shown consistent improvement and has abilities that just aren’t teachable(incredible timing, accuracy and ball placement). I feel like with Bryce you don’t have to project or guess as much what he is or can be. C.J you have to use your imagination a bit. Lastly we don’t know how they interviewed and did on the chalk board in private meetings. Clearly that had a big role in this whole decision.

I’m not a fan or pro comps but if you insist google Fran Tarkenton highlights. Getting a weird message when trying to embed videos, so you’ll need to take an extra 2 seconds and google him.

I concur that it's not 100% definitive but from my perspective and for the reasons I listed, it sure seems very likely.