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All Nc schools closed for next 2 weeks.
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This is excellent news! Pass rush has been non existent and with CJ going down it was about to get downright ugly. No idea what he has left but costing us less than a mil and has to be better than everyone other than CJ.
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We are wasting a spot if we keep Chandler. At least 2 maybe 3 better options to backup Oher if necessary. (Remmers, Williams, Maybe Silatolu)
Travis Henry gets no love in spite of great play in these games so far.( someone mentioned false starts, must have had him mixed up with someone else)
I think Boykin is a keeper.
Fozzy's pass protection gives him the nod over Todman if we can't keep both
Brockels not worth keeping, rather have Fozzy and Todman. Plus Dickson is better at that role and Simonson might be as well.
otherwise I agree on everything else
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So Mayo is not a duplication of Klien? I think Glanton or Trunsnick would be of more value here.
I do agree with most the lineup.
Trusnick sucks. He's supposed to be a special teams ace but has not shown it thus far. Mayo is similar to Klein, however he and Klein are vastly more talented than Glanton or Trusnick.
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So went over to http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/carolina-panthers/cap/ and Tolbert has the 8th highest cap hit this year.
He needs to go.
For those who aren't already aware, you can take their cap hit minus the dead money listed and you will see the savings of cutting a player this year.
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BTW has Tolbert done anything impressive at Camp at all? His preseason performance indicates he's fallen off quite a bit. Have a hard time seeing them let him go, but really don't think we'd miss him.
Not to mention that 2.4 Million in savings we'd get by cutting him a year early.
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I like it. However I think we keep 6 LB's and Glanton is the 6th. Also can't see them dropping Cotchery. So Byrd wouldn't make it. Lastly I'd prefer 5 DE's over 5 DT's. So drop Redden and give his spot back to Horton.
I also want very badly for Nate Chandler not to waste a roster spot as well. I'd replace him with either Travis Henry or Brian Folkerts.
I soured on Teddy Williams after the Buffalo game but he redeemed himself against the Dolphins. Really think we could get away with 5 corners and allocate his spot to someone else.
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Kelvin Benjamin's injury has forced the roster projection to change, but not in a way you might expect.
Offense - 25
Quarterback - 3
Cam Newton
Derek Anderson
Joe WebbNote: Remember, Webb can also play that large possession receiver spot if needed.
Running Back - 3
Jonathan Stewart
Cameron Artis-Payne
Jordan TodmanNote: These three backs plus Mike Tolbert is enough running power to win any game on the schedule, period.
Fullback - 1
Mike TolbertTight End - 4
Greg Olsen
Ed Dickson
Marcus Lucas
Richie BrockelNote: With the Panthers utilizing the two tight end set more frequently, they are going to need more than two pass catching tight ends. Marcus Lucas impressed both in camp and preseason game 1, more so than Simonson.
Wide Receiver - 5
Devin Funchess
Corey Brown
Ted Ginn
Brenton Bersin
Jerricho CotcheryNote: Well, I have taken Kelvin Benjamin off the list and have not replaced him. I feel the Panthers will now keep 5 wide outs, a pretty typical number across the league. Instead they will opt for a third pass catching tight end who can also contribute on special teams. Why add another receiver that is exactly like two guys already on the roster and not activate him on game days?
Offensive Line - 9
Michael Oher
Andrew Norwell
Ryan Kalil
Trai Turner
Mike Remmers
Daryl Williams
Chris Scott
Amini Silatolu
Nate ChandlerNote: Panthers could opt to waive Brian Folkerts and use Mike Remmers as the backup center. This frees up roster space and makes room for the day that Daryl Williams is starting (it will happen this season). Williams has been the most impressive rookie overall in camp.
Defense: 25
Defensive Line - 9
Charles Johnson
Star Lotulelei
Kawaan Short
Frank Alexander
Kony Ealy
Colin Cole
Dwan Edwards
Mario Addison
Kyle LoveNote: Panthers still hang on to Kyle Love due to injury concerns with Star. Love was the player that was brought up when Lotulelei was first injured in January.
Linebacker - 6
Thomas Davis
Luke Kuechly
Shaq Thompson
AJ Klein
David Mayo
Jason TrusnikNote: I have added Trusnik here due to how poor punt coverage teams looked in preseason game 1. Clearly the Panthers need all the special teams help they can get.
Safety - 4
Roman Harper
Tre Boston
Kurt Coleman
Colin JonesCorners - 6
Josh Norman
Bene Benwikere
Charles Tillman
Teddy Williams
Melvin White
TJ HeathNote: Like Trusnik, I have added special teams ace Williams here. Carrington Byndom back on practice squad.
Special Teams - 3
Kicker - Graham Gano
Punter - Brad Nortman
Long Snapper - JJ JansenPractice Squad - 10
Carrington Byndom
Lee Ward
Damiere Byrd
Brandon Wegher
David Foucault
Adarius Glanton
Dean Marlowe
Martin Wallace
(unkown player)(unkown player)
Differences I have, is Teddy Williams sucked against the Bills so I dropped him plus Jones can backup Bene at nickel if necessary. Trusnik did nothing noteworthy on special teams, Glanton was more productive on the field. I'm taking a flyer on Cox as Horton's looked bad at DE and did nothing in defending the run his supposed specialty). Also I'd rather have 10 d-lineman than 10 secondary players.I kept Boykin over Lucas, simply because I believe were one more WR injury away from needing him. Plus replacing tight end of Lucas' caliber in a pinch ( if injury dictates would be easier than finding a WR to replace Boykin)also also pulling the plug on the Nate Chandler expiremnt and counting on Silatolu to be able to fill in better than he could.I also kept Folkerts instead of Chandler. Reasoning behind this if, Kali and Remmers go down in same game we are still protected with a viable center3QB Newton, Anderson, Webb3HB Stewart,Artis-Payne, Todman6WR Benjamin, Funchess, Ginn, Brown, Cotchery, Bersin3TE Olsen, Dickson, Brockel4T, Oher, Remmers, Williams,Silatolu3 G, Norwell,turner, Scott,2C Kalil, Folkerts1FB Tolbert5DE Johnson, Alexander, Ealy, Addison, Cox5DT Lotulelei, Short, Cole, Dwan, Love6LB Luke, TD, Shaq, Klein, Glanton, Mayo5CB, Norman, Tillman, Bene, White, Heath4S, Harper, Coleman, Boston, Jones, -
Thanks for the write up. Love me some Gil Brandt!
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Heres last years initial depth chart. http://www.si.com/nfl/2014/08/11/carolina-panthers-depth-chart-kelvin-benjamin
Offense
WR: Jerrico Cotchery | Jason Avant | Philly Brown | Kealoha Pilares
LT: Byron Bell | Garry Williams | David Foucault
LG: Amini Silatolu | Derek Dinnis | Andrew Norwell
C: Ryan Kalil | Fernando Velasco | Brian Folkerts | Kevin Matthews
RG: Trai Turner | Chris Scott | Oscar Johnson
RT: Nate Chandler | Kevin Hughes | Andrew McDonald
TE: Greg Olsen | Ed Dickson | Brandon Williams | Richie Brockel
WR: Kelvin Benjamin | Brenton Bersin | Tiquan Underwood | Tavarres King
QB: Cam Newton | Derek Anderson | Matt Blanchard | Joe Webb
FB: Mike Tolbert | Michael Zordich
RB: DeAngelo Williams | Jonathan Stewart | Kenjon Barner | Darrin ReavesDefense
LDE: Charles Johnson | Frank Alexander | Wes Horton | Alex Hall
LDT: Colin Cole | Kawann Short | Casey Walker | Micanor Regis
RDT: Star Lotulelei | Dwan Edwards | Drake Nevis | Linden Gaydosh
RDE: Greg Hardy | Mario Addison | Kony Ealy | Craig Roh
SLB : Chase Blackburn | A.J. Klein | Adarius Glanton
MLB: Luke Kuechly | Ben Jacobs | D.J. Smith | Anthony Morales
WLB: Thomas Davis | Jason Williams | Denicos Allen
LCB: Antoine Cason | Charles Godfrey | Josh Thomas | Carrington Byndom
RCB: Melvin White | Bene Benwikere | Josh Norman | James Dockery
SS: Roman Harper | Robert Lester | Anderson Russell
FS: Thomas DeCoud | Colin Jones | Tom Nelson | Tre BostonSpecial teams
K: Graham Gano
P: Brad Nortman | Jordan Gay
KO: Graham Gano
H: Brad Nortman
PR: Kenjon Barner | Philly Brown | Antoine Cason | Bene Benwikere
KR: Kenjon Barner | Kealoha Pilares | Fozzy Whitaker | Tiquan Underwood
LS: J.J. JansenYou'll also notice many of the guys(aside from rookies) who were buried toward the bottom of the depth chart ultimately never made the roster.
Heres last years starters for week 1 http://www.pro-football-reference.com/
Maybe it was a fluke but the week 1 starters remained the same aside,from Velasco getting the start over Turner, which would change later.
On defense Klein moved ahead of Blackburn.
Then of course as the season progressed, whether by injury or perfomance related, Norwell took over at LG,Turner took over the RG spot, Rimmers won the RT job,
Brown eventually took over for Cotchery.
Then on D, Short unseated Cole, Norman and Benewikere got the corner jobs(cason got cut) and Tre Boston eventually won the FS spot. Then DE became a rotation of Addison, Horton and Ealy after Hardy poo went down.
All that being said, these early depth charts are mainly based off (I assume) training camp reps. Preseason is where most roster battles are won or ultimately lost.
89 players listed out of the potential 90. Can only go 4 deep, but Brandon Williams is absent from this list. May confirm my theory on this being based off training camp reps, as it seems he's been out a lot right?
Carolina Panthers Pos Derek Anderson QB DeAngelo Williams RB Mike Tolbert FB Kelvin Benjamin WR Jerricho Cotchery WR Greg Olsen TE Byron Bell LT Amini Silatolu LG Ryan Kalil C Fernando Velasco RG Nate Chandler RT Charles Johnson LDE Colin Cole DT Star Lotulelei DT Greg Hardy RDE A.J. Klein SLB Luke Kuechly MLB Thomas Davis WLB Antoine Cason LCB Melvin White RCB Roman Harper SS Thomas DeCoud FS
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This is excellent news. I like the fact they are at least investigating different options to analyze who the best man for the job is. All we can ask of the coaching staff at this point.
They have to play the cards they are dealt and glad to see they are using what they have in their deck
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The 2014 OTA's kicked off with an unlikely cut up, none other than Luke Kuechly who switched jersey's with Chase Blackburn to throw the local media a curveball.
The curveball worked...Chase is wearing Klein's jersey.
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Amazing he and ray rice will face less punishment than those who smoke weed
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I don't think Coleman will be there in the 5th, but if he is I'd be exceptionally happy. I'd be plenty satisfied with this day 3 overall.
I think hell be there in the 5th and id want us to pass
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Shula calling a brilliant game so far
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In that scenario it didn't matter, needed 2 scores no matter what.Belichick opts for the field goal two scores down with his team at 4th and goal from the 2 yard line.
Man, that guy just has no balls
Btw your guy Zimmer is showing exactly how to play to win on Defense, love the aggressive play calling vs what we generally get from Rivera in the same scenario.
Edit: in hindsight if they had scored a TD this game would be goin to OT right now, as they were in FG range
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Good points, I edited it to have the Rams beat the niners and added the Colts/ Jags game just so we can root for Luck to lose.
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Just because this is a bye week does not mean it is not important to the Carolina Panthers.
Here is a list of outcomes that would be beneficial to the cats!
*SOS= Strength of schedule
In order of importance
Dolphins over Saints
Patriots over Falcons
Cardinals over Bucs
Chargers over Cowboys- (NFC opponent loses, lowers the whole NFC east and Saints SOS)
Raiders over Redskins- (NFC opponent loses,lowers the whole NFC east and Falcons SOS)
Broncos over Eagles- (NFC opponent loses, lowers the Whole NFC east and Bucs SOS)
Lions over Bears(Weakens the Saints SOS)
Bills Over Ravens(Strengthens our SOS and lowers the SOS of the NFC North teams)
Jets over Titans(strengthens our SOS and lowers the SOS of NFC West teams)
Chiefs over Giants(go ahead and bury the Giants and it lowers the entire NFC East SOS)
Steelers over Vikings( Go ahead and bury the Vikings and lowers the entire NFC North SOS)
Bengals over Browns - (Lowers the Lions SOS)
Rams over Niners(lowers the SOS Packers for the only downside is this would strengthen the Cowboys SOS)
Texans over Seahawks (doesn't matter much unless we are in competiton for a number 1 or 2 seed at end of year)
Jags over Colts (This game has no effect on us at all but fug every young QB not named Cam)
General rule of thumb moving forward.
Each NFC south team has 2 unique opponents that can help strengthen or weaken overall SOS.
Here's each teams 2 unique opponents. So when in doubt root for our 2 unique opponents and root against their unique opponents.
Panthers
Vikings and Giants
Saints
Bears and Cowboys
Falcons
Packers and Skins
Bucs
Lions and Eagles
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Great post Mr. Scot. Love these type of well researched threads....
At this point I will be satisfied with a head coach who's strength is managing the game and surrounds himself with trustworthy play callers on Offense and Defense.
Countless successful coordinators fail as head coaches and you could make a very long list of them as well.
Everyone knows Rivera is a proven defensive mind but he seems like he has no clue how to properly manage timeouts, know when its time to go for it on 4th and 1, and has countless other blunders when it comes to heat of the moment.
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Well Zod says you can't rely on 100% player execution...so no big deal.
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Big Daddy's in Lake Norman
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A. The pint size corner is a legit nickelSo we need to A.) find a team in need of secondary help so bad that they'd want a pint-sized slot corner, and B.) that team has to have a good to decent backup right tackle they're willing to give away, and C.) they'd have to be in a different division since intra-division trades are very rare.
B. if they need a bad enough would make sense
C. Oh no 3 of 31 other teams ruled out of the equation...not a big deal when there's 28 others.
D. I'm not spending Saturday night going back and forth with you on a random thought I posted.
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I am dumbfounded at how flippantly people say things like this. Yeah, let's just turn on the cheat mode in Madden, than the CPU will give anyone for Munnerlyn. . .
It's not turning on Madden.
Byron Bell is not good. There is a backup tackle on someone's roster better than Bell. Munnerlyn is expendable at this point. He also could be helpful to a team in need of secondary help. I view a trade of this nature something similar to the Goodson for Campbell but hopefully with better results this time.
It's highly unlikely but was just a thought as I don't think we need 6 corners and he probably has the most trade clue aside from Norman who I would like to keep.
Washington Football Team finalizing deal with Marty Hurney
in Carolina Panthers
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Now we just need the Eagles to fire Roseman and hire Bill Polian.
Then we can watch all 3 of our former GM’s duke it out in the East.