Panthers Rhule

3 hours ago, The NFL Shield At Midfield said:

I'll explain it to you like somebody who still gives a poo about whether people wear a mask alone in their car.

Anthony Fauci and Bill Gates' transgender chemtrails were distributed by George Soros via cans of Bud Light with Dylan Mulvaney's face on it to Hunter Biden's laptop.  This was then telepathically transmitted to Seth Rich who used his ivermectin and HCQ powered brain waves to make Bryce Young throw inaccurate passes.

I'll take "things that are true" for 300 Alex. 

17 hours ago, mc52beast said:

6-6 is tall for a NT. Maybe they plan on using him at LT.

Yeah, at 6-6 he isn't a NT. NT in this type of defense for be max 6-2. He's DE for sure

I personally like this signing. I'm also happy to know that we ain't done yet this off season. I expect more to come. 

I'm not that familiar with Penny but his stats are great. The problem is injuries so doesn't he fit in really well as a tool to be used sparingly but for the right jobs? He has injury problems so you don't want him running too many times a game which is fine because with already have Chuba and just drafted Brooks but Penny could be the 3rd and short guy or 4th quarter run it down your throat with the lead guy, no? I don't see him as just depth but another potential weapon that if used correctly could be a very nice piece. He won't have to run the ball 20 times a game here. Mix him into the rotation lightly and use him when you want to pound the defense. 

I spit coffee out my nose when I saw this the next morning as I wasn't watching. Not because of the player but because of the execution and who did it. They had to know that the odds of their QB being their at 8 was extremely high and yet they still brought in Cousins and paid him a fortune to be there. Apparently, I'm not there so I don't know, he was also told they are win now which to me makes sense as they have a good roster in general. I could understand it if hey hired a much cheaper journeyman to run this season to give Penix a year to grow into the system but Cousins? That makes zero sense to me and I honestly feel sorry for Penix. That is a horrible way to start his NFL career and it's not his fault. The only thing I have against him is that he's now a Falcon. However, at this specific moment, he's my favorite Falcon. Muhahaha

3 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

First, thanks for the kind words.  There are a lot of knowledgeable people here and the problem is when we get emotional we tend to go overboard--that is passion for the team.  However, when we take our meds and post within 48 hours of our sessions with counselors, we tend to make sense.  This center will make the PS--without a doubt, where he could push for the backup role eventually. 

I try to keep it between the ditches, but most people here respect each others' differences of opinions.  It is interesting to me to hear others' opinions because they pull me back to reality at times. 

This center was a good pick.  It will be interesting to see how Corbett does after this season and if they extend him (He is only 28, I think).  

Yeah, I'm with you here. Nothing is 100% but so far I've been impressed by our new leaders. I thought the draft moves were great. I can't believe we got a 2nd next season and still got our targets with our first 2 picks. That was badass. Morgan is a dawg too. We can't forget that. Just look at those eyes. Morgan is intense.  

5 hours ago, MHS831 said:

We have a former starter now serving as a backup for the middle three positions, and probably the third string T on both sides (BC).  We are still developing Zavala and I hope Mays shows some growth.  Zavala started at times in 2023, as did Mays.  We added two guards that flipped us from abysmal to elite at G.  We added a swing T that could start on many teams.  The idea is to work Ekwonu hard on his mechanics.  

With the two stud guards beside him, Corbett can call blocking schemes (he is smart, working beside the C for some time) to offset stunts and blitzes he sees presnap.  Your point?  Based on what we know, it makes no sense--based on what they know, it seems to make perfect sense.  I mean, you have 2 guards that started in the NFL for extended periods transitioning to center.  It is not like you are moving a rookie G to center--and the TB Bucs will do that with Barton, the T they drafted from Duke.

Maybe this is NOT the ideal situation, but they feel good enough about it not to address it in the draft.  Since OL was a priority, it makes no sense to draft a RB when you don't have a center.  It means to me that RB was a bigger need than C--because Frazier was on the board at 46 (He was picked by the Steelers at 51). 

So back to the OL--Ekwonu will improve under the new coaching--Campen sucked footballs (literally--he really kissed footballs), the guards went from terrible to elite, the C is manned by 2 former starters, and Moton anchors the right side.  Depth?  BC can play any position, but probably will be left to backup G and C.  Nijman is an average OT by NFL standards (61 PFF) and he is a swing T.  Behind them, Mays and Zavala are young and could use some development--I see why they are not adding a player, but the C they picked up in UDFA is likely to be signed to the PS and he could compete when ready.

Excellent post. Before yesterday I hadn't posted in about 2 years. I just popped in every once in a while to get updates. A couple of guys around here are excellent at that and one is funny as heck. Then there's MHS831, when I do pop in I always check out your threads. I really appreciate your takes and how you explain them and also the effort you put into it. Plus, your a class act. Grade: A

I also came here to mention the UDFA C I understand we signed. I've read that he was ranked in the 6th round for what that's worth. He had a solid career and has traits that are special. He needs to be developed but he has potential and his strength is run blocking and his athleticism fits what we want to do offensively I think.  I think he was a late draft target that they believed was safe so they drafted other players and picked him up after the draft instead. If so, that's smart and very disciplined.   

Here's a report on his strengths:

SCOUTING REPORT: STRENGTHS

• Raym is a work in progress with high-end physical traits. He’s extremely light on his feet for a 300-pounder, a natural knee bender who plays with balance and leverage.
• Solid positional run blocker who flashes the nasty demeanor and killer instinct scouts covet.
• Shows a good feel for combo blocks, and Raym displays good quickness and flexibility when moving to the second level, capable of sealing the back side on reach blocks
• He’s a coordinated athlete who can win at the point of attack in the run game, and he can also move to consistently land blocks at the second level.
• Has the strong leg drive to create movement at the line of scrimmage, consistently putting defenders on the ground.
• Finishes and doesn't quit; competitor with a positive attitude and leadership traits that coaches admire.

He's a dawg. Badass. I think his skills fit what we want to do too. This kid has the potential to be a stud for us. It's true we didn't draft him but we still got him. So, if it's really a big deal, just imagine that we had an extra 6th and drafted this guy there. He was valued there so it's a good pick. In my mind, we got a good center this draft, even if we didn't draft him. We signed him just the same. 

I don't care about media anymore nor do I want to get all excited about a player or coach. I'll be happy when I can see real signs of an organization all on the same page. Last year was bad. Total dysfunction. 

Even though I won't get excited about any new moves anymore, I also won't bash them. What and who will work I have know idea but I'll welcome the change and save my judgement of it all when it ends. 

At this time, my biggest wish is that they change the dang helmet. That sparkle silver is just plain ugly. I know black is a popular alternative but it should be just that. An alternative. Our main helmet should be white. A white helmet with the black panther outlined in blue matched with our blue jerseys would look sharp. 

Then in winter we can introduce the black unis hopefully when we're ready to make a playoff run. 

I'm going to give my 2 cents after a long hiatus. I'm not going to focus on the player's ability as I can now admit that I don't really know so much about that. I will focus on the way the draft was run based on said objectives and how those objectives were obtained. It's not based on what I wanted but what they said they wanted. Whether or not that's a good thing remains to be seen but Dan Morgan was a bad ass on the field and I'm happy with the idea of looking for badasses moving forward. I know the key word is dawgs but I have to deal with key words in my work all the time and they make me sick so I'll just use old terms like badass. 

I wasn't high on Legette, I wanted another but he was gone so it doesn't matter. I understand why they wanted him and they got him. More importantly to me is the way they got him. People like to say it was for the 5th year option but I doubt that was the main reason because if he's really good they will want to sign him long term and not use that tag as it's expensive anyway. It's more of an emergency thing and usually not a good sign of a healthy relationship. It was more likely because someone else wanted him and we knew it so we used our connections to move up and take him from another team. Yes, we traded up but it cost us practically nothing overall. A (We got our target)

Next, I would like to include the part of the draft that impressed me most. Whether or not the pick was right or wrong I have know idea yet and neither does anyone else but these moves were brilliant. Morgan traded pick 39 for 52 and 155 PLUS a 2nd next season. I know people say a second next year has a 3rd year value this year and that's true but next year it has a 2nd round value and for a team without a 2nd round pick that's huge even if it's likely later in the round. For a team rebuilding that's great. 

Even better, is they then traded up at a low cost, once again increasing draft value to get their 2nd target and it worked. Again, I'm not judging the pick but the execution. It appears that they had targets early in this draft and they got both of them and at the same time improved next season draft and put themselves in position on the board to grab other targets even if from this point on it's not the primary target necessarily at that pick but someone they are ok with but they got their first 2.  A (drafted first 2 primary targets and improved this year's draft and next years) 

At this point, I assume it becomes more difficult to pinpoint specific targets as they did in rounds 1 and 2. However, it looks to me like once again they worked this out well overall. The next trade back may have cost them their 3rd target and they may have had to take the back-up pick here. I don't know how they valued the LBs but I think it's possible that they selected their 2nd choice here but, because of what they get next from that trade , it was worth it to them. Instead of 1 player they wanted as a primary target, they got the back-up 3rd pick target and still got their 4th primary target. Meaning they got their 2nd LB target but still got their primary TE target instead of getting only one primary target at one position. IMO, this is when we can really see how each trade was well thought out to give the Panthers the best chance to improve the roster with their guys. Again, it's not an evaluation of the players themselves but what they wanted. Although this time I will say that I LOVE the Sanders pick personally and the fact that they could get him and a much needed LB in this part of the draft is better than I had hoped for. B+ (I don't think they got their first target at LB but got their 2nd and yet still got their first target at TE and)

The last 3 picks are usually anyone's guess and I think the last 2 are just that. Throw a hail mary and maybe you score a TD. But I think the 5th pick is from the 25 yard line instead of the 50. It's still a long shot but possible which is why we ran a play to get us here for 1 shot instead of 2 from further away. I can understand both lines of thought but I'm partial to percentages and therefore I agree with the process that got us the pick here as I think this player has a chance. Could we have got a player with a better chance of being our long-term nickle in draft?  Probably. Would I take that player over either of our previous 2 picks? Absolutely not. LB and TE are more important to me than nickle db. It's a 5th rounder so if he looks bad we can try again but if he shows promise, which I think is possible in this defense then day 3 is at least a FG. The last 2 picks are throws from the 40 or 45 after a penalty but if either one hits the board then day 3 was a TD.  B- (I upped the score because the trades that improved day 2 hurt day 3 but overall I think the moves were good value so I increased the day 3 rating from a C to a B-) 

Overall, A-. I think Morgan did a masterful job targeting specific players, which I approve of, and manipulating trades to acquire those players. I'm actually very impressed. 

I'll just quit then. 

4 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

This is why I didn't want a name that was tied to a player or coach.

Yeah, but Rhule is hated and loathed now by the whole site. That's tough to deal with. I'm asking for a mercy decision from the powers that be. It's not a stupid name or old name. Rhule is literally hated.

I could use some help. I joined this site right when Matt Rhule was made head coach. As many of you know I'm a homer. I admit it and I try to be a positive guy in general and I do believe in giving people a fair chance. So, I spent almost a year of my life defending this guy, this team and everything else. I criticized other for being so negative and although I do still prefer positivity, I have to admit that I was completely wrong and my good intentions were unfounded. So now, I eat my crow. 

The problem I have now is that the name I chose, while full of enthusiasm for the future of this team now makes me sick. The first help I need is to know or ask if there is any way that I could please change my name? Mods?

My second problem is what should the new name be. I'm usually creative but at this moment I have zero inspiration. I need a new name if they will let me change my current name. I'm open to ideas. 

Post your new name here and whichever one gets the most honest support I'll use if I'm allowed to change. I would hope that any name's given will come from people who have actually talked and interacted with me over the last 3 years. 

Cheers and please help. I don't want to see Rhule or Rule when I log in anymore. 

Thanks, and I guess there's always next season. 

What hurts the most is knowing the Bills organization was in ours. That could have been us. 

26 minutes ago, UNCrules2187 said:

I think best case scenario, depending on how the next few weeks go, is Rhule being let go after the Falcons Thursday night game. That would give Wilkes or whoever else is elevated into the interim role 10 days to take over and prep for the game at Baltimore. Unfortunately, based on how the offense has looked thus far, I can't see the team being any better than 2-8 at best (only potential wins I see on the schedule are at Atlanta and vs Atlanta, and if Rhule is fired after the Thursday night Atlanta game, it's because the Panthers lost that game).

Yet ATLANTA?!! is tied for first at 2-2

4 hours ago, bythenbrs said:

Panthers Rule?

I thought about that but still too similar. 

I should probably be more realistic and go with Panthers maybe next season

6 minutes ago, KSpan said:

Ignoring the geography aspect, there's no way the talent pool would support more teams.

There are too many teams now. This is why the quality of the League is so low. Too many teams and too many games. 

11 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

From the blurb...

ESPN's Dan Graziano reports "there's a lot of buzz" the Panthers will fire head coach Matt Rhule "if things don't pick up soon."

The Panthers have a 1-3 start under Rhule, who is facing three straight losing seasons, and are 11-26 since hiring Rhule in 2020. Another loss to the 49ers in Week 5 could add fuel to Rhule's already hot seat. Firing Rhule in-season would give Carolina an early start at finding his replacement amid rumors the team is planing a run at Sean Payton in 2023. Ex-Cardinals coach Steve Wilks would likely serve as the interim coach if Rhule is fired. The Panthers have been the league's worst offense through the first four weeks, ranking last in the NFL in third-down percentage (26%) and total yards per game (263).

As was all for giving him this last shot this season but this team as looked really bad. The offense is awful. Nothing has changed from last season even with all the moves to improve. At this point, unless something drastically changes, he needs to go. I believe in giving people their time and opportunities but at some point we have to see something that resembles success, which we are not, at that point you have to blame the HC. I have no more excuses for Rhule. If we come out and look like garbage again then make the change. 

My biggest issue at that point will be what to call myself. 

34 minutes ago, Proudiddy said:

Not reactionary when I've been saying it for going on a year.

I don't think you're helping yourself here. Henderson has been ok. Not a problem. 

2 hours ago, Gipetto said:

I expected better from you proudiddy

Why?

1 minute ago, Growl said:

nobody here cares what you think

Lol, you're taking your ball and going home now? Need a time out?

3 minutes ago, Growl said:

oh wow, let me clarify

 

im more concerned with winning games than cap space

 

sorry for the confusion 

 

 

Ah, you prefer fantasy land over reality. Got it. I'm no longer confused. 

Which QB for any cost should we have?

Just now, mc52beast said:

I hope the creator of this post realizes the HC is ultimately responsible for the product you see on the field.

Yes, in the sense that he's at the top but it's also true that he isn't actually playing the game. Are all the QBs playing badly because of Rhule or do they just suck? That is the point of this thread I think. 

Baker has been very disappointing though. I was expecting much more. 

1 hour ago, Growl said:

lol baker is here because of rhule

Who else should be here? Which of the possibilities would you have taken for less than 5 mil?

Nope, there's no way to defend what we've seen the first 2 games. We have looked terrible. I hope we turn it around but if we continue to look like this then I am done defending him. This is year 3 and we can't play like this.