Smittymoose

Deshaun Watch was fun, but I am done posting on here. Bunch of crying losers and virgin mods who sit around all day and enforce their personal vendettas with warnings and bans for posts that are not remotely objectionable. 

Peace

2 minutes ago, PootieNunu said:

Oh more dumbass comments that bring nothing to the conversation? Who would have thought.

Show me how Dalton is athletic as Pickett, ill wait. 

You dont outscore a guy by 5 on the RAS on a whim or technicality, this isnt a PFF grade. 

I stand by my point. Just a bunch of nerds jizzing over something not quantifiable being boiled down to a stat. It means nothing. 

Dalton's worst rushing year in college was equivalent to Pickett's best rushing year. They both exhibited the same type of escapability: neither very good at stepping up through pressure, but both like to leak out to the side and have the mobility to make a team either pay a little bit or the accuracy on the move to make a throw. 

1 minute ago, ForJimmy said:

He runs a 4.6 is constantly keeps his eyes down field. Rolling out and extending plays to buy time to make your throw is a great trait for a QB, go watch Mahomes and Rodgers as they do this constantly. He can also pick up the first down with his legs if he needs to, but he is a pass first QB. 38 pass attempts per game in a NFL style offense against a decent conference is a positive thing. It shows that he can consistently make these plays and go through his reads. Give me 38 attempts with a high completion rate and yard vs a lower attempt. A larger sample size of passes is better. Pitt had one of the better QBs in the NCAA of course they are going to air it out and guess what? Is usually worked as they won the ACC for the first time in a while. He is perhaps the best QB in this draft at mid range throws and can fit the ball into tight windows. So he has size, speed, and a good enough arm. People hate him because he is boring. He won’t launch it 75 yards down the field and he won’t break 5 tackles on a run, but he is a solid prospect. The same thing happen with Mac. 

But hey you read somewhere his comparison is Dalton…

You just explained the NFL version of Andy Dalton, my man. Thanks for validating. I have no clue if anyone has compared him to Dalton, maybe they have, maybe they haven't. It's what I see. I watched a good deal of Pitt this year. He's very Dalton-ish. Maybe you don't remember that Andy Dalton was a top 20-ish QB, I don't know. But you've absolutely described him. 

Just now, jb2288 said:

wut

did you even look? 40, vert, broad

Wow 40/vert/broad instantly equal better athlete. TIL. Why even bother looking at film? We should just hold the draft the day after the Combine. No need to waste time with other extraneous non-sense.

But for what it's worth, I wasn't able to even confirm those Dalton numbers were correct. There are other sources that say his run numbers were a good deal better. The NFL has historically had issues with run times at the Combine.

4 minutes ago, KSpan said:

I don't see a middling QB on a rookie QB as an asset - they're still a middling QB and draft capital has been wasted. Plenty of current QBs are middling, so get one of them and put the draft capital to better use.

It is absolutely an asset to have a competent game manager at QB taking up 3% of your cap space instead of 15%. 

1 minute ago, PootieNunu said:

Andy Dalton had a RAS of 4.38, Pickett has a RAS of 9.24

It does not matter what you "think".

Will his athleticism translate into making him a good NFL QB? Who knows, but dont make statements like that which are not true. At least give the kid his due. 

Oh, more stat nerd bullshit? lol

And for what it's worth, I don't think comparing Pickett to Dalton is a total insult. Dalton was a top 20-ish QB for several years. But he's always going to leave you wanting more. He's an asset on a rookie contract, but he's a guy you look at and don't want to pay the going rate at QB, which is minimally $30M+ per year now. 

58 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

I just said he is more athletic than Dalton as well. Joe Burris/Mac Jones were the two latest to light up the stat sheets. They seem to be doing ok in the NFL.  He won Pitt their first ACC championship in a long time. 

PS Pitt runs a NFL Pro offense and he broke Marino’s record and Watson’s ACC record. It wasn’t a college air raid offense that Harrell was in. You would know that if you actually watched the games instead of repeating lazy comparisons you read online. 

He had 38 pass attempts per game. They threw the ball more than nearly every NFL offense this year. It's a pro-style offense, but they were very pass heavy this year. It's undeniable. 

Anthony Gordon only trailed Burrow by about 100 yards in 2019. Why isn't he a great NFL QB? 

You call me lazy, but your argument is "the guys who lead college football statistically in 2020 and 2019 are good NFL QBs, therefore Pickett is going to be a good NFL QB." I mean, geez, give me a break. 

I don't think he's "more athletic" than Dalton. But tell me, how does his athletic advantage over Dalton translate to the NFL? What does that mean, exactly? Dalton was an above average runner as a QB. Not a weapon, but mobile enough to make a defense pay for 8-10 yards if they totally ignored him on obvious passing downs.

Do you think Pickett is a weapon as a runner? I sure don't. I think he's exactly what Dalton was: he's fast enough and mobile enough to make a defense that plays him lazily pay for it, but he's not going to add true positive value on called run plays. 

52 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

Watch him actually play. You might learn a little bit. 

So, you don't have an answer. Congrats on the googling skills. 

22 minutes ago, 45catfan said:

Since the Jags put a franchise tag on Cam Robinson, many feel like OT isn't the pick for them any longer, unless they go Ekwonu and put him at guard.  Hutchinson won't make it mast pick two.  The Lions and Texans have lots of needs so they will take BPA.  Jets will go defense after investing heavily on the offense.  If Ekwonu is still there, the Giants will take him as a guard.  They HAVE to protect Jones.

That leaves us with Cross.  He is very scattershot on BBs.  Some have him right behind Neal and Ekwonu while others have him as a mid-round pick...not that far ahead of Penning.  Why?  He's a good pass protector, but coming from a pass happy system doesn't have his run blocking chops yet.  Given a deficiency in an OT, I'll take needing improve on run blocking over pass blocking 10 out of 10 times.

Question being if the Panthers are like some of those BBs and think Cross is closer to a mid-round pick than a top 10 pick, do we take him or the QB?

I don't think Cam Robinson precludes them from taking a tackle if they think it's the best value. They can always trade Robinson on draft night. A tackle-needy team will give up something for him. 

6 minutes ago, Jaxel said:

These are just lazy comparisons from folks that don't want to like Pickett.

What's specifically different about Pickett's game? What does he do better? 

4 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

Andy Dalton couldn’t break 3000 passing yards at TCU. He is more athletic, better at passing and has the stats to prove it. I don’t know how good he will be, but Andy Dalton isn’t his ceiling. You could almost combine the best two Dalton college years and have worse numbers than Pickett’s last season.

Dalton ran a different offense in a different era. Comparing college stats is a fool's errand. They mean little to nothing. Graham Harrell threw for more than 15,000 yards across three seasons. Why wasn't he the GOAT???

They're similar in terms of skillset and talent. You should watch football sometime instead of googling stats. You might learn a little bit. 

7 minutes ago, Jaxel said:

I mean he is not even comparable to Mac Jones, he is a better athlete by a mile, has a bigger arm, can move very well. Where is this comparison coming from??

He's not Mac Jones. He's Andy Dalton.

30 minutes ago, gofightwin said:

We also resigned Ian Thomas...didn't like it when the did and easily the worst grade FA now.  No one would have signed him for what we did.  

You should take a look at the other deals FA tight ends have signed. It has been an expensive market. I thought it was a huge overpay at first, but in hindsight, it ended up being about the going rate in FA. 

11 minutes ago, BurnNChinn said:

I like some moves, but hate all the one year deals. That’s how we lose guys like Reddick. I definitely don’t think that one year deal for Foreman means CMC is traded. 

That’s why you don’t get caught up in names. It’s all about replacing or improving production each offseason. One or two year deals are extremely team friendly. 

Better than a B because of the volume of quality moves. I’d say A- right now. Slight knock for a little overpay on Donte Jackson, plus the failure to address QB so far. I’ll be disappointed if they don’t add at least one vet there, whether it’s bringing back Cam due to his familiarity or taking a stab at someone with more upside like Mariota.

If the Packers thought he was a franchise QB, they would have taken multiple firsts for Rodgers and moved on. Hard pass. 

55 minutes ago, BlueBuck24 said:

They’re really determined to be able to take a QB at 6, in the worst QB draft in a decade, aren’t they?

I don't think a 36-year old LT impacts their draft plans. It will be a 2 year/$25M type deal if they sign him. He'd give them some stability at LT, give them an opportunity to cross-train BC without throwing him to the wolves, and leaves their options open at #6. Neal or Ekwonu could play LG for a year or two if they take either of them.

9 minutes ago, RowanPanther said:

I am 100% down for trading back in the 1st. Except not to draft Ridder. There's another QB who is flying under radars because his team underperformed, but he's a future star in the NFL.

Sam Howell.

No one outside of the Tarhole homer crowd thinks this guy is any good, and rightfully so. He’s the next Ryan Fitzpatrick. 

Ridder has a much better feel for the game and has better leadership qualities than Mond. They might be similar physically, but I think Ridder’s mental/intangible game is a lot better.

I think it‘s a possibility, although I question the wisdom of trading down and risking losing him if you truly believe a QB can be a franchise player. And if you don’t, then you have no business drafting him in the first round anyways. 

Need to see the final number on Bozeman and Jackson’s full details, but I would project around $15M left if you hold about $7-8M for the draft class. Not bad. They can make 3-4 more moves. 

19 minutes ago, Actionman0z said:

But as Zod would say. Nobody likes, or wants to play for Matt Rhule. 

Board full of drama queens

5 minutes ago, RowanPanther said:

Collins = Poor man's Chinn.

Yes, that’s the idea to have two interchangeable guys at SS/nickel LB. I don’t want Mathieu, who is small and more like a nickel CB.

Didn’t think Badger was the right fit, but not happy that the plan is to keep Chinn there full-time. Big mistake. I wanted someone like Collins.