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5 hours ago, OldhamA said:

I'm super curious to see how much players are going to be punished for sitting out.

We won't know until Thursday.

I think it’ll be more than people expect. Not bashing anyone for doing it but when you’re making multi-million dollar decisions, that extra year of experience and tape matters.

2 hours ago, ladypanther said:

I told him, 'This is your dream. You want to be in the NFL. These are people that I know you will jive with. You'll do great things

https://www.panthers.com/news/matt-rhule-s-wife-explains-why-she-told-her-husband-to-go-to-carolina

Fair enough. But that was probably before the pressure of having to live up to David Tepper’s 70 million dollar expectations.
 

Also article sounds like her idea not his.

3 hours ago, SmartyHurney4 said:

Because it's actually the reverse. You cannot post even a somewhat critical or reasonable opinion, even backed with stats, links to games, clips, analysis, and not have every fool @you with platitudes, a strawman, and then making fun of you for not literally being a 'believer'.

Also, again it's a not just a second round pick it's 3 picks + cap, and a large amount of cap space if we pick up his option. If he doesn't work out, it's not a small gamble. Why? You may ask (probably not because that requires some thought), we would be going into next off-season with a low amount of cap space (with several big contracts looming), few picks to use for trades, and a lot less options at finding a QB.

You think trading up this year is bad? Wait until there's 1, maybe 2 QB in the entire draft worth taking.

Well what exactly would have done?

46 minutes ago, Tbe said:

His contract at Baylor was 62 million. 

This was almost a lateral move money wise. 

No his contract at Baylor was 4.1 million per year. He would have had a 17 year contract for it to be lateral. The Panthers gave Rhule a 62 million dollar deal and had a 6 million buy out they had to pay Baylor. Which is about 8.8 million per year.

1 minute ago, CPsinceDay1 said:

Only thing going for the kid,he is young. 

If Belichick was his coach he would still throw more picks than TDs like he did last year. 

 

 

I disagree. I just think you’re sore the Panthers didn’t get your “guy” whoever that was. 

4 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

The jets were morons for running him out there as a 20 year old.   

History is on our side. The Jets have had decades of making stupid decisions. I could easily see this working out from an unbiased perspective and social media and the internet bashing the Jets for another failure.

12 hours ago, Italianpantherfan said:

This is the first year we don’t know who we are picking and that makes it so exciting can’t wait to see how draft day unfolds and see what star we get to pick . It’s like another Christmas for us panther fans and I’m legit so hype I have a good feeling boys ! Keep pounding it’s going to be a good one .

We literally didn’t know who we were picking when we drafted Butler. That was like 5 years ago. Nobody had Williams, Stewart, Otah, Gamble or Davis mocked to us either. 

11 hours ago, ickmule said:

Yeah.. I agree.  Something seems amiss with him.  

I told a friend of mine towards the end of the season that I just think he’s in the NFL to A) get paid and B) set himself up for the next really big NCAA opening. If I remember correctly he wasn’t that interested in coaching in the NFL until Tepper and Marty pulled into his driveway and handed him 70 million dollars.

18 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Wilson?

Dustin Crum

17 minutes ago, GoobyPls said:

Push the ball downfield?

 

Minshew has a weaker arm than Teddy. No to every teams castoff

No way. Teddy throws the ball about like Cam did when his shoulder went out in 2018. Minshew has a pretty good arm. 

49 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

People really need to let this "maybe we're still holding out for Watson" thing go.

For one, Verge has already said that ship is "over the horizon".

For another, we're now up to 19 lawsuits with at least one more coming, plenty of disturbing charges contained in every one, and no easy path out of this other than settling (which, you know, means admitting that yeah you did something)

Even if he does eventually get cleared (which at this point is starting to seem borderline miraculous) that's going to be a long long time.

Do you really want our leadership to sit around waiting for a year or so on something that might not (and likely won't) happen before we try fixing a major problem?

That's insane.

100%. There’s also no telling how long it will last or what the NFL will do. Time to move on. 

8 hours ago, FuFuLamePoo said:

I’ll be you any amount of money at least one of Wilson, Jones, Fields or Lance is starting in five years

You sure because if I go back 5 years ago the QBs were:

Winston, Mariota, Grayson, Mannion, and Petty. None of which are starting. 

6 hours ago, kungfoodude said:

Teddy was genuinely a mistake to sign at the contract that we signed him to. I think a lot of us felt that way at the time and in hindsight it even looked worse. 

I am as perplexed as you about what spurred this sudden push to compete. What changed in a year's time from when Tepper was preaching the long term rebuild? Did we perform better than expected? Yeah, but I didn't see us as being close to contending. I saw a year showing we had some nice pieces to build on. Our roster was still just as bad as it was projected to be. 

We will see how this turns out. It's been a very odd offseason with the signings we have made so far. I hope we are able to do better in the draft. At least then we can start to maybe see the light at the end of the tunnel with a couple of more successful drafts.

Tepper is a business man and regardless of how much money he has, he is building a giant facility in Rock Hill and probably pushing for a stadium. He knows ticket restrictions are about to fade away over the next year or two and wants the seats full. Also explains why he is willing to sell his soul for a QB like Watson. It puts people in the seats and sells merchandise.

9 minutes ago, cookinbrak said:

I could see Minshew turning into a Brett Favre QB.

Idk about Favre but I think he will be a starter in the league for a while. He’s not a burnout.

48 minutes ago, Jared Patterson said:

New England or Houston bound...

New England. BB will use him to get to the playoffs when they pull Cam mid-season and all the networks will be like “ who would have thought a national champion winning QB with 40+TDs would be good in the NFL- he can’t run”. 

3 hours ago, BrianS said:

Because the FO blew it in FA this year.

I'd be much more excited to watch a team with "Jake Delhomme" (Minshew) than Alex Smith (Bridgewater).  I want to see DJ Moore and Robby Anderson get a chance to go deep and actually use their speed.  Bridgewater got 15 games to show us he could do that and we saw nothing.

Even if we bring in Minshew and he doesn't start, he's still better than PJ Walker and Will Grier.  What if we draft a QB?  Well, what if we do?!?!?  Now your QB room is rookie, Minshew and Bridgewater.

There is literally NO DOWNSIDE to bringing him in for the right price.  None!

This guy is right. Everyone wants to sell the farm for a big name. Lawrence will be the only QB in the draft class with a starting job in 5 years. The QBs are always overhyped every draft. 
 

I didn’t want him before the civil cases. The price to pay for him would kill the rebuild plus the cap the next few years would be painful especially for extending Burns, Moore, Anderson, etc.

Now it’s just a complete nightmare and no clue what the NFL is going to do. I mean what happens if the accusations turn out to be true and you are out a QB two 1st round picks and no telling how many 2nd and 3rds. Should run away as fast as they can. 

Everyone thinks trading future picks are a great idea until the draft comes around and their hands are in their pockets. 

5 minutes ago, Aussie Tank said:

I feel Mariota would do well under Rhule and Brady 

I’m not against this but I feel like Gruden/Mayock would never let him go. He’s the stick they use to beat Derek Carr with.

33 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

(I was tempted to use 'Will Grier' as a thread title since that seems to be a trend now, but thought better of it)

Word today that Patriot insiders are saying the team has decided not to pursue a trade for Jimmy Garoppolo. Reasons cited include everything from the 49ers stated desire to keep him (which pretty much nobody believes) to the team having spent too much money elsewhere.

With the 49ers trading up, each of the top three teams in the Draft now has a previous starter that looks to be on the block. Gardner Minshew (Jaguars) Sam Darnold (Jets) and Jimmy Garoppolo (49ers).

So if the Panthers were to decide on a veteran trade, which of these three would you make a case for?

(no, Deshaun Watson isn't an option; don't bother going there)

1. Minshew

2. Darnold

3. Garoppolo

In that order. 
 

Minshew has a really good arm, can move, acts like a leader on the field when he’s not impersonating Joe Dirt. He’s also super cheap like 800k or so against cap, and we could get him for a day 3 pick.

Darnold isn’t a bad QB and has been in a bad system no but he has a higher cap hit than Minshew, would also probably take a Day 2 pick. He can throw the ball but he lets some absolute ducks go sometimes and when he moves he looks like he’s running on stilts. 
 

Garoppolo has a large cap hit, would probably get him around the same price as Darnold since he would be such a burden on cap. I think he’s too inconsistent. Too much of a liability.

36 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Carolina huddle has turned into newb central

New to the Panthers? I’ve followed the Panthers since Frank Reich was taking snaps.

5 minutes ago, Cdparr7 said:

Was reading an article that came out earlier talking about Grier which spurred a few thoughts. Ultimately he seems to be forgotten about. We traded into the 3rd round to get him and he started the final two games in 2019 (When our O-Line was worse than last year) under Perry Fewell and threw 4 interceptions before being injured in the final game against the Saints. He was sacked 11% of his plays according to the article (posted below). 
 

I think not having a pre-season last year hurt him. Also I think Walker is Rhule’s pet since they we’re at Temple together. Walker looked terrible when he came in at the end of the season and threw 3 INTs in one half. (1TD, 5INT total last year). Grier definitely has a stronger if not better arm than both Bridgewater and Walker (Definitely Stevens). What are your thoughts on him?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/catcrave.com/2021/03/28/will-grier-carolina-panthers-qb-chance-shine-2021/amp/

Also, why not have started Grier against the Lions and used as Primary back up, has more upside for trade this off-season if performed well. 

12 minutes ago, BrianS said:

Because the FO blew it in FA this year.

I'd be much more excited to watch a team with "Jake Delhomme" (Minshew) than Alex Smith (Bridgewater).  I want to see DJ Moore and Robby Anderson get a chance to go deep and actually use their speed.  Bridgewater got 15 games to show us he could do that and we saw nothing.

Even if we bring in Minshew and he doesn't start, he's still better than PJ Walker and Will Grier.  What if we draft a QB?  Well, what if we do?!?!?  Now your QB room is rookie, Minshew and Bridgewater.

There is literally NO DOWNSIDE to bringing him in for the right price.  None!

He’s cheap and already better than Teddy

Was reading an article that came out earlier talking about Grier which spurred a few thoughts. Ultimately he seems to be forgotten about. We traded into the 3rd round to get him and he started the final two games in 2019 (When our O-Line was worse than last year) under Perry Fewell and threw 4 interceptions before being injured in the final game against the Saints. He was sacked 11% of his plays according to the article (posted below). 
 

I think not having a pre-season last year hurt him. Also I think Walker is Rhule’s pet since they we’re at Temple together. Walker looked terrible when he came in at the end of the season and threw 3 INTs in one half. (1TD, 5INT total last year). Grier definitely has a stronger if not better arm than both Bridgewater and Walker (Definitely Stevens). What are your thoughts on him?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/catcrave.com/2021/03/28/will-grier-carolina-panthers-qb-chance-shine-2021/amp/

2 minutes ago, WOW!! said:

We have a team now that just needs a better QB... The defense is young and we have cap room next season to build a solid Oline..  We aren't that far away..

We have 1 lineman I trust to not poo the bed every play. (Moton). A good running back who got hurt twice last season with zero depth behind him. Moore and Anderson are both needing extensions soon. No fullback. Our projected starting TE would be a back up everywhere else. 1 good young safety. Our starting corner gets burnt in man coverage and we just signed a guy who is with his 10th team. Linebackers is decent but the MLB we just signed has glass bones and paper skin. Nobody to start beside Derrick Brown and no depth other than Big-Man Roy who runs a 10.2 40.  Defensive End is our only solid position group and you say we aren’t that far away. 
 

We do have cap room next year but that doesn’t fix the O-Line this year because believe me if Cam Erving starts at LT this year, The new Superstar QB you all want to trade up for is going to be be like Joe Burrow and be picking his knee-cap up off the ground.