The Goddamn Jets

9 minutes ago, t96 said:

Who would win in a fight -- @The Goddamn Jets or @JetFan ?

Probably me.  Never bet against the person who's given up all hope and has nothing to lose.

19 minutes ago, NYPantherFan said:

Going from a QB who checks the ball down for 3 yards whenever he panicked to a few YOLO balls us going to be a welcomed sight around here.

Haha - I get that, truly.  But, trust me it gets tiring.

Sam always reminded me of Favre, without Favre's huge arm.  And, I always felt that Favre without a cannon that compensates for bad decisions, is a UPS driver.

29 minutes ago, top dawg said:

Do you think that Darnold can be fixed? Point blank! Do you think there's a legit chance? 

Greeny thinks that Darnold is going to do well here. Why do you think that he's so sure? IMO, Judy Batistta was sounding like she wasn't so sure that the Jets made the right decision to skip the haul the team would've gotten by staying put as opposed to presumably drafting Zach Wilson, and she isn't the only one. I've heard other Jets fans say that Darnold is going to do better than Wilson in the short term, and maybe even the long term. What do you think of all of this?

Depends on what you mean by fixed.

Statistically he's been the worst QB in the NFL over the past three seasons, and when controlling for throws that were not under pressure, he's second worst only to Trubisky.

So, I certainly don't believe he's fixable to the expectation of the #3 overall pick, and the hype that surrounded him.

He may be fixable to your investment, but I don't think Darnold will ever be a QB where you, as a fanbase, feel settled at the position.  There are just too many issues.  The decision making, the reading of defenses, the downfield accuracy, bailing on the pocket too soon, footwork, throwing off his back foot, etc.

Greenberg loves Jets QBs.  He loved Pennington, and he loved Sanchez.  He's more fan than analyst.  And, so he's essentially of the "It's all Gase's fault" mindset.

As for the trade down, I think this is a different argument.  I'm not sold on the Morman Backstreet Boy, so, I could have been compelled to trade down.  I get the argument that you keep Darnold for another year, and continue to build the team.  Sources said we would not have picked up his option.  But, I wouldn't have been opposed to doing both.  Trade out of 2 AND trade Darnold.  Bring in an Alex Smith type player, and address QB next year.  That having been said, I'd prefer Wilson only because I've been burned by the "wait till next year" when we drafted Adams over Watson/Mahommes, because Darnold and Rosen will be available next year.

This will always be looked at as Darnold vs. Wilson, but I don't think that's right.  The only way the Jets made a mistake is if Darnold becomes a top 10 QB, and I just don't see that.  There's a good chance Wilson sucks, but Wilson sucking is an independent scouting issue than realizing you're not winning with Darnold.

32 minutes ago, Pup McBarky said:

Rhule emphasizes the teaching aspect. He sees himself and his staff as teachers first. We've all watched tons of video on Darnold - enough to see the rough aspects and the promise. If there is zero improvement, that would be cause for concern about our staff. 

I don't think they see Darnold as a franchise guy, necessarily. They may see the potential for that and think they can coach him up enough for him to fulfill that potential. But no, while no improvement would cause me concern, I won't hang my complete evaluation of them on Darnold's progress. 

At any given time, there's like 15 people on earth that can do this well.  That's why I say that I wouldn't blame your coaching staff for something USC coaches failed to do in his Junior Year, and two Jets regimes failed to do as well.

33 minutes ago, 54th man said:

Is fireman ed a closet Giants fan?

Grew up a Dolphin's fan.

Quit on the Jets when things were really bad.

31 minutes ago, Pup McBarky said:

I suppose the next year will tell us a quite a lot about our offensive coaching staff. Yes, I see it.

I wouldn't let Darnold's performance effect your evaluation of your coaching staff too much, at least in the negative.

The architect of the Super Bowl winning defense was fired here after Darnold's rookie year, and thrown under the bus for him.  Bowles, probably had to go anyway, but Darnold's lackluster rookie year was the nail in the coffin.  Ultimately, he's been bad for 3 years, and was really not very good in his Junior Year at USC, but lived off of hype from his Sophomore year, and specifically, that Rose Bowl game.

If he improves, then that's something to certainly feel good about.  If he doesn't, my questions would be more for your front office, and why they thought they could?  Was it all because, blame the Jets?  Still, your investment was not all that much, at least in the trade.  I wouldn't be happy about the 18M cap number in 22, but I don't know your cap at all, and I suspect it's not a deterrent or you wouldn't have done this.

3 minutes ago, Pup McBarky said:

Don't know how much you know about our roster, but give us your best W/L guess with Darnold leading the charge.*

*Assume we draft a couple of stud OL in the first two rounds.

The only way I could answer this question is to say I don't see Darnold as meaningfully better than Bridgewater.  He's got more upside based on physical traits, but Bridgewater is going to be more steady.  I get why you guys made the trade, youth and upside and thinking the dumb Jets are dumb, but this has to be more of a reclamation project.

Additionally, Darnold struggles with downfield accuracy, and Robby Anderson had his best season with you guys and Bridgewater, to the point where Jets fans largely regret letting him go.  That's the only direct comparison I can make, of course.  I suspect having a real RB will help him, as it helps any QB.

But, wins and losses depends on too many factors, including who you play.  When Darnold returned from Mono (LOL), he went 6-2.  However, on a deeper dive, we faced something like 5 of the 6 worst defenses (per Football Outsiders) over that stretch.  Our schedule was such that we were always going to start slow, with or without him - it was heavily front-loaded with our toughest games.

1 hour ago, kungfoodude said:

You are starting a franchise and you have the choice between Mitch Trubisky, Sam Darnold and Jameis Winston. Which are you taking and why? 

Seppuku.

Winston.  If I'm taking a guy who's terrible, I might as well take the one who throws TD passes from time to time.

Fun fact as to why the Jets have been so bad.  It was widely rumored that, when they had a QB stable of Josh McCown, Bryce Petty, and Christian Hackenberg, they drafted Jamal Adams because out of Trubisky, Watson, and Mahomes, the ONLY QB the GM thought was worth a high pick, was Trubisky.

4 minutes ago, ladypanther said:

Why is it called The Big Apple?

 

Can Darnold be fixed/rehabbed/reprogrammed/ etc?

Horse Racing.

If he can, I don't think it happens before you have to commit big money to him.  While the Jets have been a mess, Darnold just doesn't see the field well.  His "off-script" talent is very much a byproduct of rolling out, cutting down his decision making.  I'm sure you've seen the highlights by now.  There's some incredible stuff in there.  But, what you don't see with him often is just standard good QB stuff.  Step up, deliver the strike on the 15-yard out.

And, you have to figure out how to get rid of the YOLO balls, and that's sort of his panic reaction.

Just now, ladypanther said:

Also...can anyone get Namath off those awful TV ads? Would be a real public service.

Medicare supplement plans?  Pretty well targeted to the only people who still remember/care about Joe Namath.

Just now, 1of10Charnatives said:

Good call. 

Make sure they build up a tolerance while they're still young, so you don't have to worry if they'll be able to hold their liquor when they become teenagers.

I like the way you think. Future Jets fans, better start em drinking young.

Plus, no one over 16 drinks rum anyway, right?

Just now, 1of10Charnatives said:

Yes but....

Why is the rum gone?

Because I have young children?

3 minutes ago, 1of10Charnatives said:

if Jimmy cracks corn and I don't care, why bother to write a song about it?

 

Also, why did your fanbase not collectively storm Gase's (I assume) gated community, break down his door and lynch him? If ever there was a fanbase frustrated enough to resort to mob tactics, and if ever there was a head coach who so obviously deserved it, surely Jets fans and Gase should have transported the rest of the football world back to the era of the French Revolution.

In short I am disapointed you all did not engage in more bloodshed. I expect to be better entertained going forward.

Because, at this point, anger has subsided to apathy.  And, we used to terrible coaches.  Gase wasn't anything new, unique, or special.

Gase, terrible as he was, also had no shot to succeed.  Look at the Jets drafts from the prior GM (Macaggnan).  Almost none of them are on team, and most aren't in the league:

https://wholeninesports.com/2019/03/27/mike-maccagnan-jets-draft-history/

No chance with these drafts.

Just now, MHS831 said:

Give us your take on Darnold---genetics or environment?

Environment didn't do him any favors, but problems go beyond the Jets being incompetent.  Many were there since college.  More athlete than QB.

Was at the 2013 Game.  Fun Stadium, Fun City.  Good people.  Went home with a loss.

Title says it all.  Happy to offer thoughts on your new QB.