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Mason Graham 

Will Johnson 

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Imagine Luke Kuechly, Thomas Davis or Greg Olsen talking the way Cam talks about the Panthers.

Cam will always be a mercenary who just happened to play for the Panthers. He’s all about himself. Always has been. 

23 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

They stayed with TD, and that paid off.

I think people are wondering if the rumored interest is indicative of their thinking. You have to know they are working the cap all day--and looking at Horn's deal.  In the past, we dealt players with injury concerns--Horn has missed a season and a half.  We are about to invest a lot of money in him if we keep him.  Horn's CarFax report has 3 accidents on it.  You buyin'?  Just reading tea leaves.  I think I would keep him with the new training and conditioning staff-but I hear you.

 

Yes, I would keep him 100%. One silver lining of his injuries is that it might lower his price a tad. Yes, signing him has some risk, but you have to start taking some risks at some point. It would make me sick seeing Horn become an All Pro CB for another franchise knowing we could’ve kept him. 

People keep mentioning trading Horn. 
 

We’ve let go DJ Moore, CMC, Burns, Chinn, Luvu. At some point we have to start keeping our good players. It’s getting old. 

20 minutes ago, SCO96 said:

I was talking more from a theoretical perspective about picking a starter higher than his projected grade.

You have clearly analyzed this current draft class more than me. I have to agree that you're right about using # 8 on a blue chip player and not just a guy. If #8 came down to a blue chip DE and blue chip WR you have to take them DE. IF the only blue chip player on the board at #8 is WR I think you have to take him.

Maybe you need to be working in the front office 

Fair enough. Wasn’t trying to come across condescending. My fault if it sounded that way. And trust me, that would be a dream, but that’s also a dream for thousands of other guys like myself who probably have way better connections. 

8 minutes ago, SCO96 said:

I may be in the minority, but I don't think we need to focus on getting Bryce a #1 WR this draft. Last season we almost beat 3 playoff teams (KC, TB, Philly) in consecutive weeks with our current group of WR's. Legette and Coker should be better next year and it appears Theilen is coming back. We may able to find a FA this offseason to improve the WR core. 

On the other hand, our defense was arguably the worst in Panther history. It's got to get better or we have no chance of making the playoffs. Anything to improve the front 7 or the secondary has to be the top priority in the draft.

I'm also not  overly concerned with "draft value". If we could find a DE who could set the edge and get between 8-10 sacks in 2025 he'd be worth picking at #8, even if he had a low 1st round/high 2nd round grade entering the draft. Brian Burns just got a $30 mil per year deal and he can only do one of those things.

But what DE at #8 can set the edge AND get 8-10 sacks? I’m genuine curious who you think? For example, Pearce Jr is a pass rush specialist who isn’t an every down player because of his slight frame. He draws a lot of Brian Burns comps.  Mykel Williams lacks production/bend even though he excels at setting an edge. Those are two prospects for example, but I could say similar things about Scourton, Walker, Green, Stewart That’s my whole point of my original post. We’d be gambling at #8 if we pick an edge based on their known deficiencies. I’d rather stockpile really good players in the top 10, even if it’s not an ideal position than reach on a prospect. We can’t afford to miss on this pick. We reached on XL and Brooks. How did that work out? I’d rather take an edge in the 2nd (Landon Jackson) for example whose film is just as good, if not better than the guys I mentioned earlier and also get a blue chip player at #8. 

“The facility” interview was the worst. Those guys (Acho, James Jones etc) came off like arrogant, rude jerks. 

13 minutes ago, SCO96 said:

I personally would go with an edge player because of our d-line issues. But, I wouldn't be upset with this selection.

If JC Horn sticks around we could have one of the top 5 CB duos for the next 3-4  seasons, one of whom would be on a rookie deal. Then you could spend the rest of the draft loading up on d-lineman, LB, S or whatever position had the highest draft value when we're on the clock. If D. Brown comes back healthy in 2025 we'd automatically get better b/c of his presence alone. We my even be able to acquire a starter in FA.

We have so many needs that any draft pick that could come in and play well immediately would be a huge boost to the defense.

T-Mac would be my first choice because Young needs his #1, but I do agree that we need an edge. The problem is the value at edge.. Besides Abdul Carter, I have the rest of the top edge guys as late first round grades. The position is deep, but all of the top edge guys have at least one major thing that's holding them back. I just don't see the edge value at #8. In the 2nd? Hell yeah.

I’d trade a 1st round pick for Howie Roseman

Screw these refs 

Oh look. Another impactful rookie we could have drafted besides a RB with a torn ACL. Screw you Morgan 

I refuse to believe the game is fixed. “NFL is rigged” is just a popular, trendy opinion sheep have 

I don’t think I’d sign him at that price tbh. 5.5 mill per sounds fair for a player of his caliber 

Pulling for the Chiefs. Can’t support the Eagles fan base

Nice to day dream about him coming here, but the reality is there’s a 0% chance. 

The hype train for Mike Green is out of control. Take away that one play from the Senior Bowl and I doubt people would be drooling all over him like they are now. 

4 hours ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Dalton serves absolutely zero purpose.  Either bring in a rookie or a younger vet

Bringing in a younger vet? Sure, I could get behind that. But wasting a draft pick on a rookie QB when we already have a million other holes on the roster is irresponsible. That should be out of the question. But you never know with Morgan, drafting a 1 year wonder and a RB coming off a torn ACL should’ve been out of the question too.. 
 

Plus, id rather avoid another Will Grier or Matt Corral scenario.  We don’t draft QB’s well unless they’re #1 overall selections. 

9 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Why in the hell would we keep Dalton and woods?

 

Oops i read woods as likely 

I don’t see a problem bringing back Dalton. Keeping the QB room the same after the strides Bryce made is a no brainer. Dalton seems to have a positive impact on BY. Also, he’s still a capable backup. Just curious, who would you want over Dalton? 

Great news, but we need to start planning for his inevitable decline and improve our WR room. 

Get Dane Jackson the fug off the team. 

Not surprising. Can’t think of any other MVP winning QB who would say this. 

Just now, rebelrouser said:

What about WR? People keep saying we need to get Bryce McMillan because the Legett pick is starting to look like another bust. I'm willing to give him another year but don't sell Morgan short. His first draft sucked even more than your post suggests. 

I totally agree. Meant to put WR as well but forgot. Dan Morgan’s 2024 draft is arguably the worst of any team in the NFL. It’s very frustrating seeing players who would’ve been perfect for us perform for other teams while we consistently pick duds that none of us wanted pre draft. 

4 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

He was viewed as a relatively raw guy coming in and he mostly proved to be that. I don't think it would have been as noticeable if the rest of the defense around him wasn't so insanely bad.

If you get better talent around him, his fug ups while he is learning/adjusting won't be as obvious. 

Yeah I remember hearing that about him. Just wished change that way we draft. Stop taking raw projects (Trevin, XL) instead take proven players 

17 minutes ago, jb2288 said:

I think it’s still Wallace. He was not supposed to be ready last year but injuries made him play a ton. He has a nose for the ball and think will be okay this year 

I kept hearing that he wasn’t supposed to play, but why not? I don’t understand why a 3rd round pick LB can’t play right away and perform. It’s a much easier position to play compared to others. MLB is similar to RB.. A lot of reading and reacting. Relying on instincts. If he was a 5th or 6th then ok, but it sounds like Wallace was over drafted if the expectations were that low. The ND MLB for Dallas performed great all year. Drafted a round or two after Wallace. 

I do understand that Derick Brown’s injury along with the lack of talent on the D-line was the main reason for our atrocious run defense, but the lack of quick instinctual flowing MLB who can shoot gaps and shed blocks on a consistent basis was also a huge reason why our defense was so horrible. Trevin Wallace was underwhelming, Shaq hurt, Jewell had a few awesome games but overall  was just ok and hurt a lot. 
 

So my question is, does Morgan draft a pure LB in the 2nd 3rd or 4th round? Barrett Carter (Clemson) Smael Mondon Jr (UJA) Chris Paul Jr (Ole) Cody Simon (OSU) are all LB’s that would tremendously help this defense. And this is assuming we don’t pick Jalon Walker in the 1st. Or even if we do, double dipping on a LB/Edge hybrid like walker and a pure MLB might not  be the worst idea. 
 

Sucks that the positions we drafted last year early on (RB and LB) are still areas of need.