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2 hours ago, jfra78 said:

Tmac would be the biggest mistake we could make

If he busts yeah. You could say that about any player. If Tmac turns out to be an AJ Green/ Tee Higgins caliber player, it’ll be a great pick. I think he’ll be great. 

I keep seeing smoke on social media that the Panthers really like Walter Nolan. 

The Panthers picked # 32 last year. If we trade back, that will be another year of a mid to late 1st round pick. We’ve consistently been one of the worst teams in the NFL for quite a while. I don’t think it’s unfair to say that some of us just want to see this struggling franchise have a high draft pick for once. Trading back and picking where playoff teams are at is a kick in the nuts. It’s nice to feel rewarded for your crappy season. 

2 minutes ago, jfra78 said:

Okay

Taking less than market value is the definition of getting fleeced. Just because it’s a “weaker draft” in some people’s eyes doesn’t mean it’s acceptable to not get full value for your pick. Frankly, there’s a lot of players I like who are projected to be at #8 , but not later on if we trade out.  The 2025 Draft could be full of studs in 3 years. Why accept less than market value when no one truly knows how these players will turn out? Market value is market value. Idc what year it is. 

Just now, jfra78 said:

Less than marketable is not getting fleeced, especially in this draft

Yes, it is. 

31 minutes ago, jfra78 said:

I get not liking the players but the trades were fine.  This idea that other GMs take advantage of Morgan is unwarranted 

There’s reports that the Panthers are potentially willing to take less than market value on a trade back which is unacceptable. That’s why I’m saying I could see Morgan getting fleeced. Everyone knows the Panthers are desperate to trade back which puts us in a low leverage situation.. Add in the selections he made last year with his trades, I’d like to see Morgan stay put and not get cute. Trading back has rarely worked for this franchise anyways. 

19 minutes ago, jfra78 said:

When did he get fleeced again? All of his trades have been decent

Wasn’t a fan of any of his first three draft pick trades last year. You can make the argument that XL, Brooks, Wallace were all poor picks. All of whom he traded either up or down for. I’d rather have him stay put and pick from our scheduled #8 slot. He doesn’t seem to do well moving around and adjusting on the fly. Plus a lot of it is just a feeling. I still can’t get over how he was Fitterer’s right hand man along with his underwhelming draft last year. I don’t trust him yet. 

Just the thought of Dan Morgan trading back into the first round is not a move I am comfortable with. I honestly don’t trust him enough to get fair value. Dan Morgan is probably the GM other GM’s whisper/joke about and say “yeah just call Dan Morgan up, he’ll do anything” Hopefully he can prove me wrong. 

6 hours ago, Shotgun said:

 

Yes BPA is a myth. Certain positions will always be weighted. 

 

Plus, every NFL team says the prospect that they draft was the BPA at the time of the pick. I’ve never once heard a GM say “We liked player _____ more, but player _____ filled more of a need. It’s a pointless exercise  

8 minutes ago, FuFuLamePoo said:

It’s important to remember no one in this building has proven yet that they’re even close to competent when it comes to the draft.

I think Dave can coach. 5 wins with last years group is a true miracle, and they went toe to toe with the Chiefs and Eagles.

But last years class looks like a total flop right now. Not a one of them has come even close to demonstrating they can be even an average starter in this league. With the evidence we have to work with, there’s zero reason to think they’re going to do a good job this weekend.

It’s truly remarkable how bad our draft was last year. Dan Morgan could’ve just showed up without any preparation and picked “Mel Kipers best available” at each pick slot and had better success 

2 hours ago, PNW_PantherMan said:

No comment about two TE's in the top 10?  Seems absurd to me.  I guess anything's possible, but I don't see it.

Would I pick Loveland at 10? No. But I honestly don’t think it’s that insane. In this draft, there’s not much separating picks 4-30. All it takes is one team to fall in love with a player. Loveland is no slouch. 

1 hour ago, XClown1986 said:

Sounds more like the pats want the Panthers to panic and try to move up to four to get Jalon Walker so that they can move back and still get their offensive tackle at 8. I don't buy it.

Agreed. But I’m glad we’re not them. The Pats winning their last game of the season playing their backup QB, which knocked them out of the top 3 in a draft where there’s only 3 elite prospects is brutal. Now they have to settle for a LT with short arms that will have to be an outlier to have success at his position. This is a pure example of why losing on purpose in the last few weeks  is sometimes not a bad idea.

7 hours ago, Donald LaFell said:

Yeah I love his intangibles and he seems easy to root for. As long as he doesn’t totally bust I think I’m at peace with it. I just hope we don’t force him to be an edge rusher if he’s not having success there at the NFL level. 

“As long as he doesn’t totally bust I think I’m at peace with it” Lol. You sure aim high do ya? What a loser mentality  

7 hours ago, GamecockSmitty4 said:

Let’s hope some team beats us to the punch and keeps us from making that mistake. 

This 

7 hours ago, mrcompletely11 said:

he would raise the defense immediately, how high is his ceiling, I dont know but he would have an immediate impact and we simply cannot afford another physically gifted RAS project

Well no poo. What defensive player in the conversation at 8 wouldn’t raise a historically bad defense? Doesn’t mean he’s the right pick. But you’re same guy whose been repeating talking point words like “leadership! Ceiling! TE in the top 10 bad! Look at my chart to prove it! Herp derp. for the past 3 months. You’ve openly supported this undersized player without any real substance of why you’ll think he’ll be good. You even said he could challenge Carter for the first dlinemen picked. Lmao! So please tell me, what is so great about him? It must be pretty easy to explain if you rate him so highly? His run defense sucks. His pass coverage sucks, his pass rush isn’t consistently good at all. He gets washed out of place and mauled by big lineman.  Can he be Haason Reddick? Maybe. Could he also be a Vic Beasley. Definitely. I can tell you have never played an ounce of football in your life based on your posts. If I’m wrong please correct me. You have never actually brought up anything you have seen from his film study that you like. Facts are you don’t know what the fug you’re taking about and tbh I don’t think Dan Morgan knows what the fug he is doing too. He talks like a freaking potato with CTE at press conferences and gets confused with any question that has any sort of real depth to it. We’re screwed. 

6 hours ago, TheSpecialJuan said:

Yeah, Jalon is a polarizing prospect. On positive side, both Dane Brugler and Mike Mayock love him and think he's gonna be a star

Mike Mayock drafted Celin Ferrill. I wouldn’t trust his advice about dline prospects. Same thing with Bill Belichick loving Xavier Leggette. It was actually a red flag based on how poor he has drafted wide receivers.

2 hours ago, UNCrules2187 said:

You keep assuming we're not going to take a RB in this draft tho? This 1-year, $2.75m deal does not preclude the FO from drafting a back.

 I hope you’re right but based on how Morgan and the FO have operated in the past I doubt it. If we do, it will probably be a 6th or 7th round pick. 

1 hour ago, PantherChris said:

No one is "banking on him" first off Chuba is the bell cow when needed, second miles Sanders running behind the best offensive line in the NFL and coming in behind out awful 2023 line should have been expected (i expected it) even with the eagles he had the worst vision in a rb I've ever seen. VS Dowdle running behind a cowboys line that was 20 spots behind us in run block rating. 

 

Also it's 2025 dude two ACL tears is doesnt mean squat we had a legendary LB I memba beary that came back from 3 consecutive ACL tears to get 2 all pros and I pro bowls.

A 22 year old with limited carries in college isnt a write off by a long shot.

Heck Gurley tore two ACLS IN COLLEGE.

 

But yeah no one is banking on anything seeing as we have a durable 26 year bell cow back...

 

I couldn’t disagree more. To say that 2 ACL tears in b2b years on the same knee is no big deal is insane. If ACL injuries aren’t a big deal, then why did he tear it again? How long will it take for him to trust his knee again? Will he ever? RB’s entire livelihood is making cuts, putting constant strain on their knees during each and every play. RB’s do quick, change of direction movements at a higher rate than any other position. Comparing an OLB to a RB is apples to oranges. There’s no comparison. Plus, TD is an outlier. What he accomplished doesn’t usually happen  

Todd Gurley tore his ACL one time in college, not twice. And that same knee developed severe arthritis (sometimes arthritis is caused by previous trauma to the affected area) which ended his career. He never fully recovered from his knee injuries. Not the best example. 
 

And if Morgan isn’t banking on Brooks, then why only the 1 year contract for Dowdle? Morgan is 100% banking on Brooks in 2026. He’s going to prove to the world that trading up to grab a damaged goods RB wasn’t dumb. Now we get to miss on Skattebo, Neal, Harvey, Hunter, Marks, Judkins, Smith, Sampson, Tuten etc in order to please Dan Morgan’s ego 

13 minutes ago, PantherChris said:

I along with pretty much every one else disagree with you only 2.75m garenteed the draft is rightfully going to focus on defense and it's a bridge to get our 2nd round rb healthy.

Congrats on having a popular opinion.  I love that for you. Doesn’t make all of you correct though. Look back at the Miles Sanders signing thread and see how excited people were. Me personally, I’d rather not bank on a RB coming off back 2 back ACL tears who by the time when he actually plays again, will be almost 3 years since his last meaningful football reps. Two wrongs don’t make a right. It’s a stacked RB class. We should take advantage of it. We’re going to look back and kick ourselves when multiple RB’s from this draft class breakout who we passed on because we were waiting on our damaged goods RB. 

27 minutes ago, L-TownCat said:

Higgins just followed Jaycee Horn on insta about 30 minutes ago. 

With today’s athletes, this means a heck of a lot 

Would’ve rather tried to get a RB in the draft. If for some reason we failed to do so, there still would’ve been plenty of FA RB’s available post draft to spell Chuba.. RB’s hang around the FA market longer than any other position. Morgan would rather be “loyal” to Brooks and prove to people it wasn’t a bad pick, than take advantage of a strong RB class. I don’t agree with Morgan’s strategy, but I rarely do. 

11 minutes ago, WarPanthers89 said:

lol WUT??? He was forced into a starting role and actually played decent as a rookie. My god you are quick to give up on a draft pick that was a 3rd rounder to start with. We signed the guy to a one year deal, if anything Rozeboom will be the backup.

You must have low standards if you think he played decent. He ranked 138/189 MLB’s. He was also over drafted. Never should’ve been a 3rd rounder. I get that he’s a rookie, but you still want your rookie 3rd rounder to show flashes. He showed hardly any flashes as a rookie. If he did, then in what game? Please let me know and I’ll go back and watch. I saw a lot of missed tackles, bad pursuit, bad instincts, bad block shedding, he looked lost. He was outplayed by an undrafted guy. If he improves then great, but I’m not holding my breath. 3rd round picks frizzle out more times than not anyways. It’s my opinion, if you don't agree, then that’s fine 

9 minutes ago, Luciu5 said:

What? Dude was a rookie last year and is 22. poo I'd keep him till his rookie contract runs out at least. 

I meant as in hope of him being our future ILB. Sure, we can keep him around as depth. 

2 minutes ago, RJK said:

I’m not sold on Wallace so we needed a contingency plan 

I think this signing will say a lot about Wallace. If he can’t beat this guy out, then it’s time to officially move on from him after this season. 

38 minutes ago, Stuart Smith said:

With as many injuries as we had last year it makes me think you can never have enough defensive linemen. 

I agree, but we can’t afford to add another highly paid DT on the roster. You create dline depth by drafting well and having those rookie d-lineman produce on cheap contracts. There’s a reason why the Eagles let Sweat and Williams walk. You have to spread out your money to create a more balanced team 

13 minutes ago, Swaggasaurus said:

I read these threads and go back and watch more Jalon Walker and I never see that he’s an elite inside backer on 1/2 down. He doesn’t make high level plays vs the run at that spot. He makes his plays as an edge rusher or as a blitzer/spy at inside backer on 3rd down. Thats fine as a pick at 8, he’s as good an edge rusher as anyone else as 8 and his blitz from inside and spy is a good asset in passing situations. But I keep reading y’all typing ILB, but the film don’t match. Are y’all saying ILB off height and weight or what? A hunch? 

Because I’d bet serious money that most posters who love Walker don’t watch his film. They watch his highlights and press conference interviews and get enamored with how well spoken he is. If being well spoken made you a great player, then Myron Rolle would have been a first ballot hall of famer. Facts are he’s undersized at both ILB and Edge and it shows on his film. He gets washed out of plays very easily. Struggles to get off blocks. Id rather him be that boom or bust prospect for another NFL franchise.