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How many of you Jalon Walker truthers have actually watched full game tape on him? Just curious? I have. Multiple games. As an edge, he is very poor against the run, has a hard time holding his ground. Gets bullied by the 6’5 300 pound lineman once they get their hands on him because he’s only around 6’1 and naturally a smaller guy compared to other edges. Can he rush the passer? Yes, at times. But at this rate he’s an ILB who can rush on occasion because of his run defense liability. I don’t think you draft that at #8. Sorry. I’ll pass. 

It definitely sounds obvious Dan Morgan wants to address the defense first and foremost (not a big surprise). But I wish he’d put on more of a poker face when he talks about his plans. He’s extremely easy to read and I hope a team who wants the same player we want (Jalon Walker) won’t take advantage of that. I’m hoping I don’t hear stories like last year when we told XL we were going to draft him. It’s good to hear that Morgan feels more comfortable as a GM in year 2. Hopefully it’s translates to quality draft picks. We desperately need it. Can’t wait for the draft. 

3 hours ago, raleigh-panther said:

I’m not sold on Tevin

 No offense to anyone, but to me, he was a 3rd rd and he plays like it 

Yes I get it is a team sport but I honestly do not see anything about this young player that is more than just a guy 

then again, Evero’s defense does seem to have that impact on players

 

 

I feel the same way. Not many people  was expecting a 3rd round rookie LB to be consistent and play extremely well week in and week out , but you still want to see some splash plays that show that the potential is there. I saw very little of that with Wallace 
 

42 minutes ago, imminent rogaine said:

Is everyone looking at Walker as an ILB? I was viewing him as an outside guy, moving around and trying to get into the backfield. 

I would say ILB on 1st down, sometimes 2nd. Edge on the others. 

This is Dan Morgan and our scouting department’s Super Bowl. They love their  RAS scores. 

2 hours ago, Move the Panthers to Raleigh said:

 

jk

God forbid I give students an opportunity to compete, commit to a team, and have fun playing in competitive competition. I spend countless hours coaching football and track for very little pay. Do I necessarily always want to? No. But I teach at a small school and frankly no other teachers have stepped up. If I don’t coach, no one else would. That’s why this GIF and the other posters comment earlier get underneath my skin. Have some damn respect, you jerks. 

2 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

You coach flag football but you don't have kids?

I coach HS Flag in Nevada for the school I teach PE at.  It’s actually a really popular sport out here. What are you trying to say? 

This is one example of why I haven't gotten married yet. Too much can go wrong. Feel bad for the guy, but his weird behavior airing this out for the world to see kind of explains why she might’ve cheated on him in the first place.. He seems to have issues. I think it’s safe to say all 3 parties can share the blame here. 

In regards to Steve, he was already a borderline HOF player. All it takes is a few voters to be turned off by this story to keep him out. Voters are human after all. 

One of the worst players I saw play this entire season. And I’m talking about all 32 teams and their players. 

6 hours ago, Basbear said:

 

Make him the asst BFF QB coach and pay the 4million to hold BYs hand, theres no cap space there. Panthers have less than 1% chance at playoffs, draft a QB in the mid rounds and use that cash for starters. 

 

So you’d like to waste a mid round draft pick on a QB when we have a million other holes to fill? Heck, we could use one of those mid round picks you’d like to use on a QB on an impactful RB instead. It’s a very deep RB class.  Also, have you heard of Will Grier and Matt Corral? They sure panned out. Panthers historically can’t draft QB’s past the first round worth a damn. I’m glad you’re not the GM 

1 hour ago, Basbear said:

 

I feel close to this as well. That's starter safety moneyz and guess who needs two of them along with 15 other spots....

But this doesn't hurt the high I have after a new strength coach. 

Any backup vet QB is going to cost around what Dalton got if not more. All NFL teams have to pay “starting safety” money for a backup unless you roll the dice on an unproven rookie. If we didn’t give Dalton “starting safety money” we would’ve given it to someone else. It’s just the reality of the position 

Just now, fanpanther said:

Panthers may still be screwed if b young stays healthy lol

My point is, we’re not a team with a loaded roster who critically needs a backup QB to help them tread water to keep them in the playoff race. We’re still a few years away from being a serious contender. Our backup QB is not a huge priority. 

Give me Nick Bolton and I’ll be pleased 

We should draft the anti Xavier Legette. Tyler Warren. Great hands but won’t blow you away with athleticism 

2 hours ago, mrcompletely11 said:

That's not true at all.  And a 3rd year #1 draft pick captain of the team should not need a mentor

What’s wrong with a young QB having a mentor? You’re implying that a 3rd year QB should know everything there is about playing QB.  Facts are if it isn’t broken, then why fix it? Bryce went out of his way during his SB media interviews to compliment Dalton. He openly supported Bryce even through his struggles. He’s not going to be a backup clamoring to be the starter. He knows the offense, he supports Bryce and probably acts as an extra coach for him with his knowledge and success he’s had in this league. There’s plenty of things to get upset about with this franchise, bringing back Dalton isn’t one of them. 

Also, you have the right not agree with bringing Dalton back, but atleast offer some other solutions? I haven’t heard you bring up one FA QB you’d rather have? If you do bring up a name, I’m sure I can find issues with that QB because at the end of the day, they are all backups for a reason. 

45 minutes ago, jfra78 said:

Broken plays and bad coverage vs weak opponents

Burden played against a handful of weak opponents too. I don’t see him going for 300+. T-Mac just has the “it” factor. It’s hard to explain. I felt the exact opposite about XL last draft and it’s turning out to be true. 

T-Mac

Mason Graham 

Will Johnson 

trade back 

Imagine Luke Kuechly, Thomas Davis or Greg Olsen talking the way Cam talks about the Panthers.

Cam will always be a mercenary who just happened to play for the Panthers. He’s all about himself. Always has been. 

23 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

They stayed with TD, and that paid off.

I think people are wondering if the rumored interest is indicative of their thinking. You have to know they are working the cap all day--and looking at Horn's deal.  In the past, we dealt players with injury concerns--Horn has missed a season and a half.  We are about to invest a lot of money in him if we keep him.  Horn's CarFax report has 3 accidents on it.  You buyin'?  Just reading tea leaves.  I think I would keep him with the new training and conditioning staff-but I hear you.

 

Yes, I would keep him 100%. One silver lining of his injuries is that it might lower his price a tad. Yes, signing him has some risk, but you have to start taking some risks at some point. It would make me sick seeing Horn become an All Pro CB for another franchise knowing we could’ve kept him. 

People keep mentioning trading Horn. 
 

We’ve let go DJ Moore, CMC, Burns, Chinn, Luvu. At some point we have to start keeping our good players. It’s getting old. 

20 minutes ago, SCO96 said:

I was talking more from a theoretical perspective about picking a starter higher than his projected grade.

You have clearly analyzed this current draft class more than me. I have to agree that you're right about using # 8 on a blue chip player and not just a guy. If #8 came down to a blue chip DE and blue chip WR you have to take them DE. IF the only blue chip player on the board at #8 is WR I think you have to take him.

Maybe you need to be working in the front office 

Fair enough. Wasn’t trying to come across condescending. My fault if it sounded that way. And trust me, that would be a dream, but that’s also a dream for thousands of other guys like myself who probably have way better connections. 

8 minutes ago, SCO96 said:

I may be in the minority, but I don't think we need to focus on getting Bryce a #1 WR this draft. Last season we almost beat 3 playoff teams (KC, TB, Philly) in consecutive weeks with our current group of WR's. Legette and Coker should be better next year and it appears Theilen is coming back. We may able to find a FA this offseason to improve the WR core. 

On the other hand, our defense was arguably the worst in Panther history. It's got to get better or we have no chance of making the playoffs. Anything to improve the front 7 or the secondary has to be the top priority in the draft.

I'm also not  overly concerned with "draft value". If we could find a DE who could set the edge and get between 8-10 sacks in 2025 he'd be worth picking at #8, even if he had a low 1st round/high 2nd round grade entering the draft. Brian Burns just got a $30 mil per year deal and he can only do one of those things.

But what DE at #8 can set the edge AND get 8-10 sacks? I’m genuine curious who you think? For example, Pearce Jr is a pass rush specialist who isn’t an every down player because of his slight frame. He draws a lot of Brian Burns comps.  Mykel Williams lacks production/bend even though he excels at setting an edge. Those are two prospects for example, but I could say similar things about Scourton, Walker, Green, Stewart That’s my whole point of my original post. We’d be gambling at #8 if we pick an edge based on their known deficiencies. I’d rather stockpile really good players in the top 10, even if it’s not an ideal position than reach on a prospect. We can’t afford to miss on this pick. We reached on XL and Brooks. How did that work out? I’d rather take an edge in the 2nd (Landon Jackson) for example whose film is just as good, if not better than the guys I mentioned earlier and also get a blue chip player at #8. 

“The facility” interview was the worst. Those guys (Acho, James Jones etc) came off like arrogant, rude jerks. 

13 minutes ago, SCO96 said:

I personally would go with an edge player because of our d-line issues. But, I wouldn't be upset with this selection.

If JC Horn sticks around we could have one of the top 5 CB duos for the next 3-4  seasons, one of whom would be on a rookie deal. Then you could spend the rest of the draft loading up on d-lineman, LB, S or whatever position had the highest draft value when we're on the clock. If D. Brown comes back healthy in 2025 we'd automatically get better b/c of his presence alone. We my even be able to acquire a starter in FA.

We have so many needs that any draft pick that could come in and play well immediately would be a huge boost to the defense.

T-Mac would be my first choice because Young needs his #1, but I do agree that we need an edge. The problem is the value at edge.. Besides Abdul Carter, I have the rest of the top edge guys as late first round grades. The position is deep, but all of the top edge guys have at least one major thing that's holding them back. I just don't see the edge value at #8. In the 2nd? Hell yeah.