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3 hours ago, Navy_football said:

Really was. I think this is when Frank knew the wheels were falling off. Didn't they cancel the last day or something? The oline was gonna get Bryce killed.

Yes I believe they did cancel the last day.

3 hours ago, mrcompletely11 said:

I am wondering if Tepper made the call for young to start because there aint no way he legit beat Dalton out in TC.  Just no way especially after all we saw and all we heard

As I remember Frank just gave him the job. Probably under pressure to do so.

 I think he ought to pay those kids damages if he teaches them any mechanics.

I was looking at one of thee ‘big time throws’ video, and they managed to find about 25 plays. Maybe a few more, I lost count around 19 or 20. 

season stats were: 315 completions. 527 attempts. 

I have only just now paid any attention to this. It seems totally nuts, like everything else nowadays.

Lou Groza lives.

That’s some funny poo, thanks.

3 hours ago, WUnderhill said:

I don’t take anybody seriously who gives 0% or 100% odds on the future.

Depends. Dying, is 100% an outcome for everyone. I think. Pretty sure.

 That, and a Tepper team being in disarray, almost a sure thing.

43 minutes ago, CRA said:

I mean, the huddle keeps beating this division will suck mantra....but we happen to be the clear cut worst team in the division.   

There is so much fodder here... 

Respectfully, if they win 9 it will not be the schedule. They will actually have become a somewhat competitive team. If they win two, same in the other direction. They remain an owner approved train wreck. 

5-6 wins is near total suck. It’s actually really hard to lose like, 15 or 16. Really hard. Losing 12 gets you to 5 wins absent a tie.

5-12 being seen as good? Not acceptable. 5-12 to me is time to upgrade the weak links. Whoever they turn out to be. That is about as fair as it gets. Regarding Young, if it doesn’t turn around... hello pine rider/clipboard holder for the duration of his contract. 

1 hour ago, CRA said:

I think the D could be worse.  Not drastically.  But takes a step back. 

I also could Bryce turning the ball over more in Canales scheme/O.  Given the asks under what we assume will be Canales offense will look like......don't play to what Bryce naturally does well.  The counter to that, is maybe Canales goes heavy Wilks approach and we play 1970s football and beat some weak teams and surprise folks on the actual record. 

 

I agree with this, except possibly the scheme/approach will be a fusion of Canales’ principles merged with Young’s abilities... and hopefully never asking him to be an actual NFL QB dog just play within his abilities. 

If he is able to play to a higher standard, all power to him. 

1 hour ago, CRA said:

only guesses I feel safe making, is Frank wanted CJ.  Tepper wanted Bryce.  Now, who was on whose side in the org when they debated? Who knows.  Well, we know Mrs. Tepper was buying what the CJ folks were saying per the same reported he had the Frank/Tepper split. 

part of me feels, the CJ Stroud crowd.....all saw the door.  

Logical inference.

I should have added ‘but if you require being shined on and bullshitted then shame on them' for stifling that.

Credit to Archie Bunker for the term. 

Maybe they are doing something good that we don’t need to know about. I’m definitely at maybe, trying not to be cynical.

The first game really is still preseason.

edit: level of play wise- I know it counts in the standings.

3 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

 But yeah I am like you, how can morgan, who has played ball all his life and it was his job to hurt people like bryce, look at him and say "damn he would make a fine qb to trade up for"?

Man no kidding, and that’s what I thought about Reich too.

It really confuses me when I am told that it was unanimous. I just cannot wrap my brain around guys who know how big a jump it is, being in favor of it.

And how good a liar Reich was. I thought he was supposed to be a real moral guy, but at the same time I think he was lying through his teeth,.

32 minutes ago, Ricky Prickles said:

I truly don't see how they could be any worse than last season. Having a rookie head coach isn't always great but he seems to care much more than Frank ever did and appears to actually put forth effort while also having some sort of desire to improve so that in itself should help them exceed expectations.

I agree with this. Not sure what it means for wins but for one thing everyone knows what Young is for sure now. They got NFL film, they are 100% informed on what they are dealing with. 

They did not know until camp really, what they were really dealing with. 

Having some continuity on defense should help, and of course they need to stay healthy. 

So, they will be better. There will be a more informed (by actual reality) offensive design and they have upgraded the talent maybe by enough that execution would make them competitive against at least the bottom half of the league.

1 hour ago, mrcompletely11 said:

6 wins with a top 15 offense is what I am expecting (hoping)

 

Still feels like an uphill battle for numerous reasons

What in the world makes you think this could be a top half offense? 

My hope is they will not be 32nd. I don’t think they will be, my realistic hope is they can move the LOS so when we need a yard they’ll feel good about getting it. And that Young learns to be a drop back from under center thrower and deliver an accurate and strong deep ball. I’d settle for accurate enough for a jump ball. 

Saying that basically no team would not have passed him by,  I guess means that reports that some teams just took Bryce off their boards were false? 

I don’t know this for a fact but am willing to believe that there were teams that would have passed. I know if I were in charge he wouldn’t be in Carolina. 

10 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

I don’t really agree with it either but we appear the really want to be able to run the ball and have a RB that can become out feature back. I’m just not sure this staff was wanting to roll out a rookie center. CB or Edge would have been other preferred options as well. We are still pretty weak there…

Yeah. Very good point. The rookie thing with the rookie center calling out protections, with this QB being where he is, that is probably the biggest single factor in not taking a ready to start college guy. 

5 minutes ago, pantherclaw said:

I want to see both lines play.  I pray they both stay healthy. 

If we can win in the trenches,  then there is a chance we win more than a few games.

That's football. 

5 minutes ago, jayboogieman said:

Taking a RB before the 4th round is a waste of a pick. Ignoring the hole at Center when they could have drafted one of the top ones in the draft was something that should have gotten them fired.

Maybe they will get fired. I’m not that upset over it though. One mid second rounder is small stuff when we don’t even know for sure if the guy they took will suck. It’s not like they used the pick on an historically undersized running back. Which is the stuff that tends to piss me off.

It doesn’t matter for the point of me being right, but I said before the draft they would pass on one in the 2nd (it’s the Panthers way). They had their plan and we just don’t know how it will play out.

That was essentially a convoluted trade down for a RB, plus we got the 2nd rounder for 2025 which we were short on. Let’s at least see if he is any good this year..

The reason for the RB is Bryce Young’s evaluation. They are bending over backwards to prop him up.

Radio homers.

12 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

I am much less worried about Ikey than BY, I can tell you that.

I thought they were equally impotent. I witnessed horrible fails on a regular basis from both of them.

The center thing, that stuff never works. Of course, this is the team that mortgaged the future for weak armed and not super athletic 5'10” 184 unproven quarterback. 

1 hour ago, Lame Duck said:

Me and Carolina Panthers bot this offseason

 

It's not like we don’t know there is a panthers .com site. And how to access it. 

How about, they don’t get to post happy Bryce and Icky fluff until Tepper goes a full year without firing the coach? 

Or maybe put all their stuff in that 'only positive thoughts allowed' thread a while back.