JawnyBlaze

5 minutes ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

I bring the best out of people. Had to crack your shell. You do a lot of pooing with no responding. Glad to see you finally break that shell.

 

I'm hoping Morgan is the best GM possible. Just can't put faith into Tepper that's all.

I respond all the time. I mean you referenced a response of mine. Once someone has proven to be a brick wall, I stop banging my head against it. 

Just now, CamWhoaaCam said:

lmao that's a hell of endorsement.

 

No one here saw Morgan behind closed doors so he must be great!

 

The fact he's friends with Tepper is all I needed to see. Now lets prepare to get our MLB with our 2nd round pick. Can't wait!

That’s why you get poo. You’re a ***** psycho. I didn’t say he’s great. I said he’s not necessarily a yes man. To make your statement look even more stupid, Nas said in his thread he knows a guy that knows Morgan and Morgan was the only one that would stand up to Tepper. And that’s the guy Tepper hired. Should make you think about reevaluating your biases. But I’m sure it won’t. 

Came here to pie for OP’s input

46 minutes ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

You don't need to know anything when you see it!

 

Wake tf up man! Are you blind or something? All you do is go around pooing people because they know Tepper is bad at his job. You expect people to believe in whatever he touches is just flat out ignorant. How about sit back and be quiet. You can't question the fans who see Tepper for what he is a bad owner.

 

 

I give out a lot more pie than I do poo. Just when I see especially ignorant or egregious posts they get the poo. 
 

No one here saw Morgan say behind closed doors our roster was fine or pick Bryce over Stroud. 

7 minutes ago, App Panther said:

Is there a real possibility that nobody else wanted the job? Or did the others who interviewed forced Tepper to be to introspective to accept? 

No. If someone is offered a GM job (or HC job) 99% of the time they accept. No matter how bad the roster is. There have been far worse than ours. 

44 minutes ago, jayboogieman said:

Morgan at least had helped put that bad roster together. He was the pro scout guy while Fitt was the college guy.

But even if Morgan was the "one voice of reason", the team needed a clean slate instead of hiring from within.

Chark, Thielen and Hurst were all good signings. Sanders too, arguably. They just didn’t work out because we had no one throwing them the ball and defenders could cheat against the run game because there weren’t going to be any catchable passes over 10 yards. 

No idea. If they haven’t held the OC position before I have no clue how they’ll do. Thomas Brown seemed like a pretty good bet that didn’t work out so great. 

Just now, mrcompletely11 said:

you serious clark?

For all we know he was telling Fitterer to go a different direction.  The narrative is that Reich wanted Stroud and Mr Meddlesome said no take Young. Maybe Morgan was also team Bryce. For all we know Morgan wanted to shore up the line more but Fitterer either ignored him or didn’t have the means to make it happen. We have no idea what Morgan thinks or how he plans to turn the team around. 

18 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

we know he thought this roster was good.  We know he thought it was young over stroud.

 

That alone is enough to say fug this

How tf do we know this?

Just wondering where this yes man narrative came from?  Keeping an open mind, I have no idea how he’ll do. Never do with these GM hires because we never have any clue how involved and what roles they actually played in their previous non-GM positions. Only exception I can think of is Hurney, because he had been a GM before and we KNEW he was horrible and hired him back anyway. 

1 hour ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

If he has a sophomore slump, the only reason he will be playing is because of Tepper not wanting to admit a mistake, aka being a meddling owner, or we are tanking for the 25' 1st overall. If he's playing worse than he did this year and still starting, there's going to be a lot of money to be made betting against the Panthers.

Unless they do something to replace him before the season, they’re going to ride with him all season long unless he gets injured. Gotta get every bit of evaluation in for the following year before pulling the plug on a guy that cost us two #1 overalls, two second rounders and a good WR. The side benefit will be tanking. Doesn’t have to have anything at all to do with Tepper. 

Stand pat then look to draft his replacement in 2025 if he doesn’t take a huge leap in year two.  If he doesn’t take that huge leap then 2024 is a wash anyway, let him noodle arm us straight to the #1 pick and his replacement. 

On 1/21/2024 at 10:27 AM, onmyown said:

Oline wasn’t the worst in the league? For context- most metrics have them ranked around 29/30. No it’s not 32 but that’s on par with the worst in franchise history which was 2021 (31). Cam’s own Chandler and Bell lineup came in at 23/24, and Cam’s career average oline rank was 16/17, seems people were pretty upset about that. Franchise sack record. Second record for any first overall rookie QB pick in NFL history. Very, very teams have fielded a bottom 5 oline twice in a three year span. I didn’t go back to a five year span but I’d bet money the Panthers would have or be very close to having the worst average oline during that time in the entire league.

Two metrics already listed here, pocket time and time to throw, have the OL ranked at 6th and 14th. Not that bad. Once you start buying into PFF’s subjective rankings then maybe it drops. 

The trade up wasn’t the problem, it’s who we took. If the trade includes who we actually got in the trade then it’s an F ***** minus. Just the trade value on its own merits I’d still go with a B. 

8 hours ago, pantherclaw said:

I never said the oline was responsible for all the sacks. Not sure why you wasted your time arguing that. 

it is a VERY common argument. I was responding to you, but not everything I said was directed solely at you. 

1 hour ago, Donald LaFell said:

I always thought Kap would have gone deep to the playoffs more often, I’m surprised he seemed to get figured out. Or maybe it was injuries. I know he got blacklisted too but I kept thinking he was going to win one pretty quickly

Kaep was just that bad. He was easy to figure out. He was bad at the throwing the football part.  Harbaugh was just a wizard. 

3 hours ago, pantherclaw said:

While the average is what it is...  

My own eyes whitness the line being blown up often, and setting the offense back. 

I understand wanting to lay accountability where it belongs, which is why the oline get a lot of blame. I'm not alone on this. Most of the respected experts would agree. 

This isn't saying letting Bryce off the hook. He most definitely does need to improve.  The fact he played behind this horrid oline as a rookie, plays a BIG part as to his problems this last season. 

Don't give up on Bryce because of this season. The Panthers most certainly won't.  

Most of the respected experts won’t admit they were way off about Bryce, and also cater their message to the simpler fans who think that sacks are all on the OL. I won’t deny the OL got blown up sometimes and took a huge step back this year but to my eyes that saw every snap we took this year the line gave average protection over the course of the year. Bryce was way below average in his processing speed and pocket awareness.  There were as many times the OL gave him way over average time, sometimes 5+, occasionally over 10 seconds, to throw the ball and he just didn’t.  Whether there were receivers open or not that’s way too long to make a decision. And there were receivers open a lot more than people admit too. Open isn’t no one within 5 yards. Open is a step. Open is leverage. Bryce was just too inaccurate to take advantage of those steps and leverages, sometimes wildly missing guys who actually didn’t have anyone within five or more yards. 
 

I’m not giving up on Bryce per se, I want him to succeed. It would be great if he took a HUGE leap next year and we don’t need to spend our ‘25 first on a QB. I just don’t expect it. I saw all the flaws I noticed from his college performances, and his supposed strengths also turned into flaws.  His primary risk is the only thing that didn’t turn into much of a problem: durability. 

‘24 is a wash, wasting one of our precious few picks on a project QB would be foolish unless the new coach has some insight that makes them absolutely certain the kid will be a stud. Load up on OL and playmakers on offense as best we can, then if Bryce doesn’t exponentially improve look to ‘25 to draft our new QB with our top few pick. And that’s why these huge trades don’t “set a team back ten years” and the other such bs hyperbole people like to spew.  Even trading two firsts and two seconds plus a good WR for a colossal bust would only set us back two, maybe three years tops. 

1 hour ago, csx said:

If that is the time to throw then long times are generally bad. The greats have the shortest time to throw because they make quick decisions. Long times generally mean lots of sacks. 

 

If you’re talking about the QB then yea, taking a long time is bad. We’re talking about the OL though and they’re giving him longer to throw.  It’s not immediate pressure and a sack or throwaway like the narrative surrounding our OL says. 

Chark showed he can be a playmaker when Bryce actually throws him the ball (or somewhere in his general vicinity as Bryce’s accuracy prevented him from actually throwing good passes very often). If we had Stroud I think people would be talking about our receiving corps being surprisingly good after low expectations (like the narrative about the Texans). Thielen would have been similar but Chark would have had a huge leap with someone competent throwing him the ball and maybe even Mingo would have had more production.
 

The run game would have been better because the defenses would have actually had to defend the whole field. 

The OL wouldn’t have the narrative around it because when they did hold up most of the time, more often the play would have had a positive result and led to fewer 3rd and longs which allowed the defense to get sacks and stops at a higher rate. 
 

Everything trickles down into place better with better QB play. Same can be said of playcalling, but the former was worse than the latter for us this year. 

5 minutes ago, KSpan said:

Tied for 6th best in the league, with 2.5 seconds of pocket time. Make of that what you will.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2023/passing_advanced.htm

Different stat than mine but helps paint a fuller picture. 6th best pocket time is actually pretty impressive by the OL. 

14 minutes ago, The Lobo said:

Durability was my concern with him, but he’s a tough dude, glad to see he survived. Someone on here I believe said he had the 14th longest time to throw the ball, I don’t know how factual that is, I’m surprised it was that long. The way the line appeared this year, I thought for sure we would have been in the bottom 5.

https://nextgenstats.nfl.com/stats/passing#yards
 

I mentioned it at one point recently, saw it mentioned on twitter or something. I couldn’t get the list to sort by “TT” when I pulled it up myself, but when I followed the link the first time I saw it it was sorted that way. 14th longest time to throw at 2.9s. I wasn’t surprised, watching the games most of his sacks came after he had 5+ seconds. It was actually rare for defenders to just blow through the line and get to him quickly, they mostly came from him being oblivious to edge defenders eventually working their way to him because he couldn’t read the field or make a decision.
 

The OL wasn’t good, but nowhere near as bad as a lot want to make out because they just see Bryce on the ground again and mentally log it as another fail by the OL rather than analyze the situation enough to realize it was actually on Bryce. 

Two things are almost certainly true:

1) The Texans did a better job last offseason preparing for a rookie QB and improving their team. 
2) Stroud is a much better QB than Young (and always was.)

If we had taken the right QB, we’d have probably gotten 6-9 wins this year and best case scenario squeaked into the playoffs instead of the Bucs and had the honor of bouncing the Eagles out before getting mashed by the Lions while the Texans would have gotten 4-7 wins and people would be saying they need a new line because of Young stepping into pressure, holding the ball too long and lacking any kind of pocket awareness.  Nico Collins would still be a breakout candidate l, if only they would throw him the ball.