JawnyBlaze

9 minutes ago, CRA said:

I don't see how any team is going to want Wilson as a backup QB.  I think it is starter or sit for an injury. 

Some QBs just don't work as backups. 

Yea if Cam wouldn’t work as a backup because of his personality, Wilson’s diva ass sure doesn’t. 

A little better than Young but I still don’t want him. Too expensive, let Young drive this tank to our new QB in next year’s draft. 

6 hours ago, MHS831 said:

So you have data to support this?  I would agree that your position is a "no brainer."

38% of self-identified Native Americans said they were not bothered by the Washington Redskins name. But 49% overall said it was offensive, along with 67% of respondents who were heavily engaged in their native or tribal cultures, 60% of young people, and 52% of those with tribal affiliations.

But it is not about numbers, so I was wrong for presenting the data to argue in support of a decision that is about individuals, not groups.  If it was always about the majority makes the decision, we could tear down access ramps for the disabled.  We could hoist our Confederate flags to celebrate 4 years of white heritage that most whites know nothing about, and we could force all religions not classified as evangelicals to comply with the majority or tough sh!t.   Right?

If some are offended, even if those offended were not in the majority, that is all that should matter. 

Perfect post. /endthread

Yea Red Wolves was my pick. Football Team is atrocious and about the only choice worse than Commanders. 

23 minutes ago, frankw said:

I was a Panthers fan before the Tepper's and I'll be one after.

If folks like you want to shine shoes you're welcome to do so. Maybe Dave and Nicole will notice you and give you a pat on the head big guy. Keep your dream alive.

lol I’m not Tepper fanboy. I’m not some emotional blind hater that couldn’t stand him from the beginning, and at least he’s better than Richardson, but he’s fked up his two coaching hires and one GM hire. Hope he got it right this time. He needs to replace the turf with grass.  But I also don’t use him as the boogeyman and everything that goes wrong is his fault. It’s lazy and ignorant. 

5 minutes ago, frankw said:

lol @ pooing posts over this.

Enjoy another losing season.

Guess that means you’re out? Peace   Sorry that poo hurt your feelings so bad. 

And lol at people that think this is damage control. For who? The only person it helps is Nicole Tepper. She’s running her own damage control rumor mill to what end? Wrest control of the team from her husband? Doesn’t sound likely. 

Well that destroys a popular narrative around here

1 hour ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I think he's a helluva WR prospect but I don't understand the generational talk. Would anyone trade a Chase or Jefferson for him? Okay then, how is he generational?

Hell, I'm not certain he's the best WR in this class.

The Stroud effect and his name. He’s good, no doubt though. I haven’t seen anything generational about him. 

20 hours ago, Basbear said:

Thats my opinion of the type of package needed for the best WR thats only 25. Didnt mean to come off as you were silly about any trade offer. 

I did believe its not the right time to add JJ given the current state of panthers being the least talented. Plus in order to do so give three two 1sts, two 2nds(maybe more) and pay him 30 million per. If we were talking 2015 or 2017 panthers, fug it worth the risk. This team is de-void of talent and needs years and lots of hits in the draft before making a move like this. Plus I have huge doubt the viking would value burns above like a 3rd. They have a DE type and BB isnt it, they are one of the best drafting DE/edge teams in the last 8 or so years. 

If it would take firsts, then I agree hell no. Most I’d could stomach is Burns, our second, and maybe late pick like a 5, 6 or 7.  But I actually think Burns does fit their profile, if Danielle Hunter is any indicator. They’re built similar and Burns is just a bit bigger (I think) and much better. 

4 minutes ago, BrianS said:

No we didn't.  The separation of our WR's was largely equivalent to some very highly rated receivers like Justin Jefferson, CeeDee Lamb, Jordan Addison, Stefon Diggs and Rashid Shaheed.  One of our problems was that our QB didn't view that separation as "open", when in fact it was "NFL open".

100%. But the Bryce Boys won’t hear it. They’ll keep spouting the same rhetoric and propaganda, especially if you venture into IG or twitter. Same tired arguments that people made up and others parrot.

3 hours ago, Basbear said:

so the least talented team with the lucky 2-15 record needs to trade another byce young-like package for WR that is demanding to be the highest paid WR??

this is a huddle dream if ever, but whom am i to crush it...... 

 

carry on.

Bryce Young like package? Who said anything about that? The most I’ve seen floated was by me and that was Burns and a second.  Burns might be too expensive anyway, so it really doesn’t seem like that high of a price. Especially if we’re going to lose Burns anyway, whether this year or next after tagging him this year. 

2 hours ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

You don't win 7 games with a garbage QB.

If you feel Fileds is garbage I would hate to hear what you think Bryce is...

 

I would trade Bryce for Fields in a heartbeat.

Sure you win 7 games with a garbage QB, we just did last year. Teams do it all the time. Fields is garbage and Bryce is worse than garbage. 

2 hours ago, ClawOn said:

JAX?  Come on dude.  The Bears have Fields and Moore (thanks to us), 1 (thanks to us) and 9.

We have 33 and an empty cupboard. It's a 3 year journey.  Minimum. 

 

Fields is garbage and ok they have DJ Moore. We have more than one good player. Draft picks arent on the roster and we were talking about rosters. 

6 minutes ago, rayzor said:

If we aren't filling those holes overnight, then why send $30mil/year on a WR?

Just makes no sense.

Because we wouldn’t be signing him for only one year. And he could be part of what actually makes Bryce (or next year’s rookie) improve, as a target the QB can have confidence in. 

1 minute ago, Stingray3030 said:

You are missing my point - they drafted 2-4 starters/Pro Bowlers each year in the last 3....we haven't drafted ANY in the last 3 years.  They sign FA's who start and play well - we haven't.  They got a new HC who was outstanding - ours was fired mind season his first year.  Acting like these 2 teams are in the same ballpark loses you any credibility.  The Bengals had 3 years of rebuild also before Burrow & 2020....we have spent the last 3 years adding NOTHING.  What on this roster do you see we added the last 3 drafts?  Honestly what talent are you talking about?

Last year: Mingo could be Nico. We won’t know til we get decent QB and play calling. 
2022: Icky. Sure last year didn’t look good but his deficiency has been blown WAY out of proportion here. He was very good his rookie year and competent coaching can get him back on track. Barno is a decent situational pass rusher that could keep improving. Mays is solid OL depth. 
2021: Horn is an all pro if he stays healthy. He was healthy most of last year. BC is a solid OL starter. Tremble is a decent TE that could still get better especially with better QB play and play calling. Chuba is, beyond all my expectations from his first two years, a decent starting RB. 
 

Not to mention rookies that looked like trash last year could actually make a leap with good coaching and playcalling.  The sky isn’t falling and last year was a perfect storm of sucktitude. It all depends on Canales, his staff and Morgan. 

24 minutes ago, Stingray3030 said:

No one is saying it isn't possible, but agreeing it is unlikely same as you.  But you are ignoring context - the Texans were 3-13 but they had already begun rebuilding for years - they had a top 4 pick 4 straight years, not 1.  They developed guys like Nico, Greenard - they had back to back really good drafts for Stingley, Pitre, Tank, Stroud, Anderson, Harris.  They had cheap, productive FA signings in Schultz and Singletary.  They had a large amount of available funds.  We have none of that....none.....Our point is we are the 2020 Texans not the 2022....we are a few years and alot of luck away from JJ making much difference.

We could be the Bengals of a few years ago. We haven’t been picking top three but we’ve been picking top ten-ish. Insert a guy like Jefferson, draft a couple sleepers (most of the Texans’ guys aren’t first round picks, not the receivers anyway) and we do have a decent amount of funds.  Good coaching, nail a couple draft picks, get a couple key FAs and we’re ready to compete for this shitty division IF Bryce can just not look like the utter abomination that he was last year. 

6 minutes ago, ClawOn said:

Not really a narrative. We have the worst roster in the league.  Stroud isn't coming to save the day.

If Canales and Morgan are good,  we won't be regularly embarrassed this season.   That's the ceiling. 

That is a narrative and we don’t have the worst roster. The Bears are probably worse. Jacksonville maybe. Washington, Atlanta maybe. This idea that we are completely untalented is emotional knee jerk reactions. We have a very talented defense and enough on offense to be ok with proper coaching. That’s the difference. The QB is a huge problem no doubt. If we had taken Stroud maybe Reich doesn’t lose his job so quick and we don’t get Canales who might be the next savant. No way to know yet. But our roster isn’t as bad as our record last year. More like the record the year before. 

16 minutes ago, Panthero said:

Man those are outliers. More likely we aren't in the playoffs until 26. 

Sure. But likely =\= no chance

28 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Overall we're not the worst ran team ever, but we are the worst ran team in the league since Tepper bought the team.

Yea entirely possible. 

39 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

We really were. The Jets flat out said after the trade that the Panthers were the only team seriously pursuing Darnold. It is what it is.

I meant not the worst run team ever, not that we weren’t the only team bidding on Darnold. I believe that. 

49 minutes ago, ClawOn said:

You'd be paying him a lot of money for 2 years minimum where the team has no chance of being competitive.  

I hate that narrative. Sure it’s unlikely we’ll be competitive but the Texans went from the #2 pick to the playoffs. Other teams have gone from top one or two pick to the playoffs in the next or following year.  We have a chance of being competitive THIS year if Canales and Morgan are good. Unlikely, but possible. 

1 hour ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Unfortunately, we can't trade Bryce Young to the Carolina Panthers. We were the only team dumb enough to give up anywhere near that and the Jets came pretty close to outright mocking us for bidding against ourselves in those trade negotiations.

I get your point, but no we aren’t. Hyperbole aside we aren’t the worst run team ever and might not even be the worst run team now. The Jets paid Rodger’s how much for four plays?  Washington and Jacksonville would also give us a run for the title. If we dangled Bryce I guarantee you some team out there would be willing to give a 2 or 3 just in the off chance he could be salvaged. 

59 minutes ago, raleigh-panther said:

Do you  really  believe Young could throw the  ball  far enough with enough velocity to keep up with his speed 

i dont 

The thing I like most about Jefferson is he doesn’t seem like a speed dependent guy. Because no I don’t think Bryce could take advantage of someone like Hill or Jamar Chase. Jefferson is a savvy route runner with amazing hands. He’s a Michael Thomas (before he got bad). That’s the kind of receiver Bryce needs.