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4 minutes ago, BrianS said:

No we didn't.  The separation of our WR's was largely equivalent to some very highly rated receivers like Justin Jefferson, CeeDee Lamb, Jordan Addison, Stefon Diggs and Rashid Shaheed.  One of our problems was that our QB didn't view that separation as "open", when in fact it was "NFL open".

100%. But the Bryce Boys won’t hear it. They’ll keep spouting the same rhetoric and propaganda, especially if you venture into IG or twitter. Same tired arguments that people made up and others parrot.

3 hours ago, Basbear said:

so the least talented team with the lucky 2-15 record needs to trade another byce young-like package for WR that is demanding to be the highest paid WR??

this is a huddle dream if ever, but whom am i to crush it...... 

 

carry on.

Bryce Young like package? Who said anything about that? The most I’ve seen floated was by me and that was Burns and a second.  Burns might be too expensive anyway, so it really doesn’t seem like that high of a price. Especially if we’re going to lose Burns anyway, whether this year or next after tagging him this year. 

2 hours ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

You don't win 7 games with a garbage QB.

If you feel Fileds is garbage I would hate to hear what you think Bryce is...

 

I would trade Bryce for Fields in a heartbeat.

Sure you win 7 games with a garbage QB, we just did last year. Teams do it all the time. Fields is garbage and Bryce is worse than garbage. 

2 hours ago, ClawOn said:

JAX?  Come on dude.  The Bears have Fields and Moore (thanks to us), 1 (thanks to us) and 9.

We have 33 and an empty cupboard. It's a 3 year journey.  Minimum. 

 

Fields is garbage and ok they have DJ Moore. We have more than one good player. Draft picks arent on the roster and we were talking about rosters. 

6 minutes ago, rayzor said:

If we aren't filling those holes overnight, then why send $30mil/year on a WR?

Just makes no sense.

Because we wouldn’t be signing him for only one year. And he could be part of what actually makes Bryce (or next year’s rookie) improve, as a target the QB can have confidence in. 

1 minute ago, Stingray3030 said:

You are missing my point - they drafted 2-4 starters/Pro Bowlers each year in the last 3....we haven't drafted ANY in the last 3 years.  They sign FA's who start and play well - we haven't.  They got a new HC who was outstanding - ours was fired mind season his first year.  Acting like these 2 teams are in the same ballpark loses you any credibility.  The Bengals had 3 years of rebuild also before Burrow & 2020....we have spent the last 3 years adding NOTHING.  What on this roster do you see we added the last 3 drafts?  Honestly what talent are you talking about?

Last year: Mingo could be Nico. We won’t know til we get decent QB and play calling. 
2022: Icky. Sure last year didn’t look good but his deficiency has been blown WAY out of proportion here. He was very good his rookie year and competent coaching can get him back on track. Barno is a decent situational pass rusher that could keep improving. Mays is solid OL depth. 
2021: Horn is an all pro if he stays healthy. He was healthy most of last year. BC is a solid OL starter. Tremble is a decent TE that could still get better especially with better QB play and play calling. Chuba is, beyond all my expectations from his first two years, a decent starting RB. 
 

Not to mention rookies that looked like trash last year could actually make a leap with good coaching and playcalling.  The sky isn’t falling and last year was a perfect storm of sucktitude. It all depends on Canales, his staff and Morgan. 

24 minutes ago, Stingray3030 said:

No one is saying it isn't possible, but agreeing it is unlikely same as you.  But you are ignoring context - the Texans were 3-13 but they had already begun rebuilding for years - they had a top 4 pick 4 straight years, not 1.  They developed guys like Nico, Greenard - they had back to back really good drafts for Stingley, Pitre, Tank, Stroud, Anderson, Harris.  They had cheap, productive FA signings in Schultz and Singletary.  They had a large amount of available funds.  We have none of that....none.....Our point is we are the 2020 Texans not the 2022....we are a few years and alot of luck away from JJ making much difference.

We could be the Bengals of a few years ago. We haven’t been picking top three but we’ve been picking top ten-ish. Insert a guy like Jefferson, draft a couple sleepers (most of the Texans’ guys aren’t first round picks, not the receivers anyway) and we do have a decent amount of funds.  Good coaching, nail a couple draft picks, get a couple key FAs and we’re ready to compete for this shitty division IF Bryce can just not look like the utter abomination that he was last year. 

6 minutes ago, ClawOn said:

Not really a narrative. We have the worst roster in the league.  Stroud isn't coming to save the day.

If Canales and Morgan are good,  we won't be regularly embarrassed this season.   That's the ceiling. 

That is a narrative and we don’t have the worst roster. The Bears are probably worse. Jacksonville maybe. Washington, Atlanta maybe. This idea that we are completely untalented is emotional knee jerk reactions. We have a very talented defense and enough on offense to be ok with proper coaching. That’s the difference. The QB is a huge problem no doubt. If we had taken Stroud maybe Reich doesn’t lose his job so quick and we don’t get Canales who might be the next savant. No way to know yet. But our roster isn’t as bad as our record last year. More like the record the year before. 

16 minutes ago, Panthero said:

Man those are outliers. More likely we aren't in the playoffs until 26. 

Sure. But likely =\= no chance

28 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Overall we're not the worst ran team ever, but we are the worst ran team in the league since Tepper bought the team.

Yea entirely possible. 

39 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

We really were. The Jets flat out said after the trade that the Panthers were the only team seriously pursuing Darnold. It is what it is.

I meant not the worst run team ever, not that we weren’t the only team bidding on Darnold. I believe that. 

49 minutes ago, ClawOn said:

You'd be paying him a lot of money for 2 years minimum where the team has no chance of being competitive.  

I hate that narrative. Sure it’s unlikely we’ll be competitive but the Texans went from the #2 pick to the playoffs. Other teams have gone from top one or two pick to the playoffs in the next or following year.  We have a chance of being competitive THIS year if Canales and Morgan are good. Unlikely, but possible. 

1 hour ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Unfortunately, we can't trade Bryce Young to the Carolina Panthers. We were the only team dumb enough to give up anywhere near that and the Jets came pretty close to outright mocking us for bidding against ourselves in those trade negotiations.

I get your point, but no we aren’t. Hyperbole aside we aren’t the worst run team ever and might not even be the worst run team now. The Jets paid Rodger’s how much for four plays?  Washington and Jacksonville would also give us a run for the title. If we dangled Bryce I guarantee you some team out there would be willing to give a 2 or 3 just in the off chance he could be salvaged. 

59 minutes ago, raleigh-panther said:

Do you  really  believe Young could throw the  ball  far enough with enough velocity to keep up with his speed 

i dont 

The thing I like most about Jefferson is he doesn’t seem like a speed dependent guy. Because no I don’t think Bryce could take advantage of someone like Hill or Jamar Chase. Jefferson is a savvy route runner with amazing hands. He’s a Michael Thomas (before he got bad). That’s the kind of receiver Bryce needs. 

Neither are any good, but Bryce theoretically still has trade value even if he sucks for another year. SOMEONE will be like “he was a first overall, we can get more out of him”. 
 

Darnold sucked for 3 or 4 years, wasn’t #1, and still fetched a 2nd. 

2 hours ago, rayzor said:

i'm all for spending, but i guess it comes down to what he means by "break the bank".

if he's wanting around $20mil...maybe. 

maybe.

if he's wanting to be the top paid WR? nah. 

 

I mean he’s arguably the best WR in the league and young. If anyone should be the top paid WR it’s him. 

9 minutes ago, SurvivalSloth said:

I'd love to have him here! But I think we have too many needs to help someone "break the bank".

Eh, we have like the third most cap space and almost none of it is spent on offense. We can afford to break the bank on one of the pieces we’re missing the most on the team. We don’t have THAT many needs. A few needs: QB, a playmaker or two (WR among the biggest needs), an OL or two, some depth on defense. Otherwise it’s spots that could use an upgrade but not a need. 

Just read on PFT the Vikings might trade Justin Jefferson, who’s due a new contract. I’d trade them Burns and #33 in a heartbeat for one of, if not the, best young receiver in the game. Think it might take more from us?  How much would you guys be willing to trade?  We’d be swapping a big new DE contract for a big new WR contract. ~28mil for Burns vs what, ~25mil for Jefferson? I’m less up to date on what he might cost cap wise. 

Pat McAfee just referenced it on Raw. “Candace is getting rocked like those bums that rushed Cam Newton” lol

8 hours ago, Jackie Lee said:

Tank Dell was just sitting there. Actually Dell, Jayden Reed, and Josh Downs were all sitting there and better picks so that was a F as well. 

I don’t know that any of them do better catching Bryce’s wounded ducks.

I’d still try to trade Burns. I love the guy and he’s way underrated here, but we need the picks and cap space on other positions right now.  Definitely throw the bag at Brown though. I saw an article earlier today where some jabroni was saying we should trade Brown lol. Adam Silver or someone like that. 

17 hours ago, Carolina Cajun said:

It was bad, no way around it, but I will say, lets wait and see with some of the guys.  Bryce obviously will get another shot with hopefully a decent offensive staff.  Mingo showed some small flashes, even smitty pointed those out.  I think its unfair to consider DJ Johnson an F when he was literally never supposed to legitimately play a part on our team in year one, he was always supposed to be backup and learn from the bench.  Zavala and Jammie, well we'll see, but early returns not good.  Just remember Josh Norman was absolute trash early, he actually was in the doghouse after busted coverage in 2013 again the bills.  Things can change and players can develop, especially raw players.  We'll know more after next season.

Yea Norman actually wasn’t trash. Many of us were yelling at Ron “it’s my personal duty to defend older veterans at all costs” Rivera for benching him off one busted coverage. He was still solid his first year and quite good his second. 

F ***** minus. The only pick that’s not an F so far is Mingo. I’d give him a C-.  Didn’t see enough to completely trash the pick, effort seemed to be there, just no opportunities with the JV backup throwing him the ball. 

51 minutes ago, SOJA said:

Someone is lying I just don't know who is. Person is reporting Burns asked for 30 a year and was offered 5 mill 27 mill. Early this year it was reported that the Panthers offered the Crosby contract ~23.5 mill a year

That being said, the Panthers have been DRAGGED this entire year for not trading burns and then "not trying to sign him". If they offered him 5 years 27 mill a year that is a very fair deal and we can stop saying they "didn't do anything to sign him"

When in doubt, never trust Person. 

10 hours ago, Luciu5 said:

Nothing backs this statement up. You can say eye test, but every stat, analysis, chart and professional opinion I've seen says he's one of the most accurate passers in the league. I didn't watch every game, but the games I did see, your statement about hitting a barn sounds like hyperbole. Maybe you need glasses?

Well I watched every game and every throw and I think he hit one or two passes that travelled in the air over 15 yards all season.  I’ve seen ONE highly suspect chart that claims he’s accurate with caveats. Ask anyone who actually watched the games. His accuracy is terrible, his placement is terrible. Sure he can make some throws some of the time, some of his throws 5-10 yards looked nice, but even a good portion of those the receiver has to unnecessarily stretch or reach back for. One of the very few passes thatbi recall that did complete for 15 or 20+, the WR had to stop, cut in and completely alter his route to get to the terrible pass. But it was a completion so it counts for Bryce even though it was a terrible pass. The number of throws where a receiver was running free wide open and he just sailed it over their head or way to one side or the other far outnumber the “nice” passes