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I was beginning to hope we’d trade UP to take Brian Thomas but then the jags took him and removed that temptation. 

You’re not wrong but if he performs on the field I’ll take that over Bryce’s garbage any day. Not that I think they’re anything alike but people love talking poo about Cam, Baker and Burrow’s personalities too. Doesn’t matter as long as they stay out of trouble and produce results. Time will tell where Caleb falls on the spectrum. 

Yea Falcons should (and hopefully will) get slammed hard for this tampering business. But even without that, Kirk Cousins is solid but the team still isn’t good. Their O is super overhyped based on college production. The RB they got last year looks good but he’s no Barkley or CMC. Their young WR and TE are dookie no matter how much people wanna hype them based on their college days. (And by dookie I mean compared to expectations. They’re mid, objectively). 

If Young doesn’t improve exponentially it’s our worst trade by a large margin based on return on investment. 

29 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

I have seen Legette going higher in a few mocks, but for the most part, he is a mid second round guy.  I like the kid--and he WANTS to be here-that is saying something.  I remember when we signed Star Loutulei or whatever, from Utah and he said at his presser (paraphrasing):  I guess I know now where I will be living for the next four or five years."

Legette is a boom or bust pick.  Of course, that translate to bust by the time the Huddle processes it.  He is a 21 year old kid who wants to play for his home state team and he is talking it up.  Good for him.

I’m not sure where you’re going with the Star comparison, he was an absolute stud here lol. Behind Luke he was the biggest impact player on our defense. That’s why it started falling off a cliff when he left. 

It was probably something more along the lines of “we hope you make it to 33 because we’d love to make you a Panther” which is a far cry from “we’re definitely drafting you at 33 if you’re there” but an easy twist for the player to change it to “they told me they’ll draft me at 33”

Three firsts is what you pay for a QB, not the first non-QB. 

Yea that’s pretty wild. Would be awful. 

7 hours ago, Khyber53 said:

We've had neither strength nor conditioning on this team in the last three seasons, perhaps longer.

We're basically the SE Louisiana State Tech MudDawgs, pre-Waterboy.

I heard three of our big injuries last season were actually from playing Foosball in the game room. Joe Horn actually pulled a hammy reaching down to grab a bag of potato chips from the vending machine outside the DBs room.

Well when you get to be his age you gotta be careful. 

Joseph Person is the Mel Kiper of sports journalists.

4 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

It was still a bad trade. We gave up our entire offense prior to doing so. You don't do that if you're going all in for a qb. It was and still is a dumb idea.

Sure, I wish in addition to picking the right QB we had given Burns instead of Moore, but offensive pieces are a lot easier to find than the QB. You gotta do what you gotta do to get that piece. 

37 minutes ago, CRA said:

I mean, I was a Cam stan before drafting him was popular.  I think people are way too fixated on that narrative. 

When we drafted him I largely said 2 things.  

1.  If we draft Cam, you have to let him be Cam.  His size as runner is what made him special. 

2.  Cam Newton would never have the same type career in terms of length of traditional pocket passers.   If you were trying to milk years onto his career....you would ruin what made him great. 

Cam running didn't shorten his career.  Ron and Cam were actually a good match.  The fault is on the GM for the roster management.  Cam Newton could go out there today and truck the entire league.  Running didn't cause his injuries.  

Denying him a legit OL for most of his career shortened his career. Shula’s dumbass shortened his career (don’t ask for evidence. Just trust me on this). 

12 hours ago, pantherclaw said:

Nobody on this board wanted Herbert. Yall were claiming he wasn't committed to football, and that his college game wouldn't translate. 

Now everyone is saying the opposite.  Such bullshit.  

I was the loudest voice on the huddle for Herbert.  

The masses just weren't buying his stock. 

I concur with that recounting. I didn’t want Herbert because I wasn’t impressed with what I saw from him. I was very wrong and saw that immediately when we played them that year. 

1 hour ago, Jon Snow said:

No more trading up for a qb. fug that noise. That's what got us in this mess to begin with. 

Sometimes you have to. You just gotta pick the right one. The trade up to 1 wasn’t the problem imo. If we had taken Stroud we’d be sitting pretty. 

I haven’t done much research this year. Last year taught me that educating myself on the prospects and being absolutely right about who we should pick makes it sting more when we don’t take the right pick and I’m proven right. With that said, if I could have my pick of the maybe possibles:

#33: Ladd

#39: best Center, I’ll go with JPJ if a name is needed

Another way to look at it (not entirely accurate, but in effect) we will have traded Burns and dropped six spots in the second for three extra second round picks. That’s a win in my book, better than just a second for Burns. 

Why all this “has to be picks this year” sentiment? Giants will surely be picking high again next year, so that second will still be high. Assuming around the same as the 39 they gave us this year. We still get a pick in the second this year from them (47). It’s not like we’d have to wait long for our next pick (39).

We’re not in win now mode, two seconds will help more than one second, even if it is six picks earlier than our first second this year would be after the trade. I’d rather have their second next year than their third this year, it’s a better pick and will assumably turn into a better player. That’s what we need long term, not more bodies this year.

We may also need that second rd pick next year to trade up high enough for our new QB next year if we’re still bad but not quite as bad as this year. If we’re picking at 7 or 8 next year, we’d probably need to trade up for a QB. That’s far more important than whatever we could get in the third this year. 

I’d definitely take that trade, especially if we still get Ladd at 39. 

Yea. Don’t like it at all, but everything would be improved with black helmets . It’s our worst combo for sure. 

2 hours ago, mrcompletely11 said:

But its a big pick.  One buys you longevity and a super bowl run and the other causes you to get fired

I’m not arguing Fitterer was better, but if you look at the whole body of picks I don’t think there’s a big gap. 

1 hour ago, Shotgun said:

Hurney drafted Newton and Fitts drafted Young.....

That's a big gap.

Yea in that one single pick comparison. 

2 hours ago, hepcat said:

Hurney is a legend at drafting 1st rounders. Honestly one of the best all-time. He hit on a few later round picks over his long tenure and signed some big time free agents who paid off big, but his biggest downfall was overpaying to re-sign veterans which lead to a lack of quality depth on most of the teams he built. But overall, Hurney was responsible for drafting, trading for, or signing the overwhelming majority of Panthers legends. 

It’s funny because Mr. Scot would literally keel over and die before he admits Hurney was a better GM than Scott Fitterer though. I swear to god he has some personal vendetta against him, maybe just too much emotional investment in the team. 

I wouldn’t deny Hurney was better, but the gap ain’t that big. Yea Hurney drafted some really good players in the first but he still had some misses there. If we’re going to fault Fitterer for Horn’s injury history, we have to give Hurney a big L on Otah. 

12 hours ago, PootieNunu said:

Lmao on the slight edge to Hurney, the dude has drafted All Pros/HOFs/Pro bowlers, Fitt has drafted a bunch of Jags. 

Huge edge to Hurney. 

Hurney had many more drafts too. He hit on an average of one pick per draft, the first one.  He gets the edge because his one hit was usually better than Fitterers. But he was a bad GM too. 

2 minutes ago, Basbear said:

 

There was a report(panther leak?) that panthers offered more money, but luvu picked wash cause he was a better fit for their defense. Quinn sold him on the angle he'd be in the Parsons role for wash. 

we all keep blessin evero, but you say he didn't play luvu or chinn correctly. I thought for sure luvu would have gotten more OLB and biltzin snaps, but he was a "old school" MLB role. In part shaqs injury could have forced that too. 

Im about 50/50 on Morgan thus far and feel the draft results are more important than giving 153 million to OGs. 

I’m quite confident that Shaq’s injury forced him to play Luvu out of position cuz he was the only guy that could. The OGs will prove their worth, whether it’s for Bryce or for the guy we get next year. A stout interior OL is critical for a young QB, not to mention the run game. 

14 hours ago, jb2288 said:

thank you. it was clear about 7 games into his rookie season dude was a star. i remember huddle shrieking over his sack numbers year 1/2 and completely ignoring everything else. happy for d brown

Yep. Half the huddle was whining about him being a bust because he wasn’t getting sacks while half of us saw how he was actually affecting the defense. I was waiting for a human to make a thread about this but it never happened so I figure it’s time to chime in heh. Very pleased about this, we gave the right DL the big extension. I saw some jackssses saying on Facebook that were losers for extending a guy that was on a 2-15 team and that kind of ignorance will never cease to amaze me. Aikman’s first year I think they won one game, so I guess they should have gotten rid of all those hall of gamers before they even got started.