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2 hours ago, CashNewton22 said:

This thread is a bit premature. We don’t know the true balance of power between our last head coach and him…either one could have been the reason x or y player was selected. Now that Reich has come out and said Fitt is in control of the roster NOW we can actually judge. Also Perryman wasn’t a bad signing imo he balled out in Vegas.

1 hour ago, kungfoodude said:

1000%

This offseason will tell a lot of the story about Fitterer. If it looks a LOT like our previous drafts, then we can assume Fitt had a much greater influence on those drafts than we knew.

If the signings look a lot like the previous offseasons, same thing.

Let this play out. This would be a valid 2024 offseason thread.

Exactly. We're going to have to evaluate Rhule/Fitterer and Fitterer/Reich separately. You could even get more granular and really evaluate it as:

2021 - Rhule/Fitterer

2022 - Rhule/Fitterer/Morgan

2023 - Fitterer/Morgan/Reich

6 hours ago, UNCrules2187 said:

If Fangio pivots and goes to SF after allegedly shopping the Panthers offer to the Dolphins and then agreeing (or his reps agreeing) to terms with Miami, that's not going to reflect especially well on him. I get it, he's in demand and several teams chasing, but not a great look.

He's 64. This is probably his last gig. I don't think he cares.

Matt has had a year to work on a more challenging playbook than he had at Ole Miss, but he'll be just like every other starter on April 1st learning a brand new system. 

The injury concern remains, but the bottom line is, if we draft a 1st round QB, that player is going to be given every opportunity to win the job. 

2 hours ago, mrcompletely11 said:

t as of today we only have one and he is injured. 

Shouldn't it be Corral and Jacob Eason? So two?

I feel confident this question about who will be calling the offense will come up in the press conference on Tuesday.

11 hours ago, ncfan said:

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Wasn't there something in that other thread that said Reich was going to be Wilks OC? Now, it was Johnson?

12 hours ago, Jon Snow said:

So they just decided to hire the guy that was going to run the offense instead. This does nothing to help his cade.

9 hours ago, NanuqoftheNorth said:

Yeah, the argument that "Tepper's solution for improving the offense was the same as mine" (hire Reich), doesn't seem like it would help advance Wilks' racial discrimination lawsuit all that much. 

5 hours ago, Aussie Tank said:

So he based his interviews on maybes. Maybe I can get Reich to be OC maybe we can trade up for a QB 

I think you could make a reasonable case that if you don't hire Reich as HC, you don't get him as OC. Reich would have likely taken the Chargers OC job if his choice was between being the Panthers OC and the Chargers OC. Herbert versus no QB. Chargers weapons are probably considered better than current Panthers weapons.

Keeping Campen likely increases our odds of resigning Bozeman. Win-win.

"I recognize our level of QB play now." - CMC

12 hours ago, ladypanther said:

 

He would not be here long...likely to get an HC job by next year.

Which would mean comp picks for the Panthers, correct?

15 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

And the irony is they now treat Mahomes like a God.  Funny how that thinking changes when it's not a small market team.

Burrow wears outfits every bit as outrageous as what Cam got flak over, but he's "Joe Cool."

Just now, TheMaulClaw said:

I've met you before in real life and I know that your or I both don't work for an NFL team, so let's not get into who knows what here.

Wow dude.

2 minutes ago, TheMaulClaw said:

Well if this is the philosophy we want to use with Reich why don't we apply to Wilks as well.  He's a bad coach because he had a bad year at AZ when everyone knows he got screwed there.  Yet it couldn't be an outlier like last year is being painted for Reich?

While Wilks was the interim we would have all the conversation in concordance about how he got screwed in AZ, and now that Reich is selected people are using this same info to poo on Wilks.  It's not right.  Its a double standard and it's old.

Put the two resumes side by side and take off the names. You're really trying to say you'd take Wilks?

3 minutes ago, TheMaulClaw said:

I'm confused as to what the point of this argument is. 

Who other teams interview is who we should interview? 

Are good coaches only good coaches if they do multiple interviews? 

You really think that an impending lawsuit has nothing to do with it?

You said "could make an argument that he didn't get offers because teams assumed he was going to be the Panthers coach"

And I'm saying that's not how NFL teams think or work. 

11 minutes ago, TheMaulClaw said:

Bottom line is Wilks performed better with less then Reich last year. Just a fact. 

You don't just look at last year. You look at the full resume.

This isn’t a bashing Wilks. He did a tremendous job, and deserves a HC.

But if you put the two resumes side by side and took off the names, you're picking the Reich resume every time.

Just now, TheMaulClaw said:

So are you saying that Wilks didn't do a good job.  That his success here was attributed to something other then doing a hell of a job coaching?

Not saying that at all.

I'm saying if another team thought he was one of the best options, they would have interviewed regardless of if they thought he might get the Carolina job.

30 minutes ago, TheMaulClaw said:

You could make an argument that he didn't get offers because teams assumed he was going to be the Panthers coach, 

That's not the way the NFL works, at all. You think the guy is one of the best options on the market, you bring him in. It happens every coaching search cycle.

12 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

And you act as if 2023 in the NFC South won't be another down year. Truth is that it is 6 games against teams in the division we will be favored in.  Add in Indy, Seattle,  houston, and Chicago. That is 10 games against teams likely to have losing seasons. Tell me again how it would be fine if we go below 500 with this schedule. That doesn't include what would happen to Green Bay without Rodgers or Tennessee if they struggle.

I'd question including Seattle with Indy, Houston and Chicago. Seattle was a decent to average team in 2022. I wouldn't bet on Pete Carroll having a losing record.

I always go into the season assuming we'll split the division games. Those are always tough since the teams knew each other, though we will have the advantage of being the only team in the NFC South with a new coaching staff.

9 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

And you act as if 2023 in the NFC South won't be another down year. Truth is that it is 6 games against teams in the division we will be favored in.  Add in Indy, Seattle,  houston, and Chicago. That is 10 games against teams likely to have losing seasons. Tell me again how it would be fine if we go below 500 with this schedule. That doesn't include what would happen to Green Bay without Rodgers or Tennessee if they struggle. No it looks with the exception of a few games our schedule next year may be wesker than this year. So this idea that 2022 was easy  may be true but we should have another easy schedule next year. So what is the excuse if we don't go better than 500 in 2023. That would be a setback given the likely  weak schedule and the opportunity to fill some of these glaring holes and in light of how we finished this year on a 4-2 run.

Historical data indicates we should expect the 2023 NFC South Champion to have at least 10 wins. 

Every previous time a division has been won by a sub-.500 team (and TB finished 8-9), the following season the division winner had at least 10 wins. Granted the sample size is small and negative regression is still a possibility.

Example: Here's the last three years of NFC East champions: 

2020 - 7-9 

2021 - 12-4 

2022 - 14-2

Every previous time a division has been won by a sub-.500 team (and TB finished 8-9), the following season the division winner had at least 10 wins. Small sample size, but it has held up thus far.

Example: Here's the last three years of NFC East champions: 

2020 - 7-9 

2021 - 12-4 

2022 - 14-2

6 minutes ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

Watched just about every media show yesterday and today and they all basically said Wilks should have got the job.

Total Access gave the hire about 10 seconds of coverage and never mentioned Wilks. 

Eisen discussed the hire on "The Rich Eisen Show". Spent most of the segment talking about the other jobs. Never mentioned Wilks.

3 hours ago, PantherOnTheProwl1523 said:

 

Mike Evans approves...

10 minutes ago, hepcat said:

Sounds like Tabor is coming back or he’s at least gonna offer him the job. Solid move. If Campen can stay that would be wonderful too.

"I want the coordinator involved in hiring their side of the ball."

Sounds like no decision on Campen until we have an OC.