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You keep alluding to this, but you know it's not happening. Rhule will never sanction half-assing it, and Tepper is seemingly getting impatient. A lot would have to naturally go wrong for us to have the opportunity to draft Howell, not to mention that there's many months between now and then.

I don't know if that's true or not, and I haven't seen any verifiable data on it, just opinion. Moreover, the fact is that during his rookie year, Samuel was flashing against the top DBs until he got hurt. Plus, there's just something to be said about route running. I bet Samuel is looking even better after last season. Moore's best routes are the dig and slant.

Not trying to be funny, but who gives a fv<k what Joe Banner thinks? Plenty of people think it would be a great deal, but many have also acknowledged that we might even be willing to sweeten the pot if that deal was ever put on the table, particularly if the Dolphins or Jets come stronger.

I mean, some people are giving Moore a pass and willing to open up the bank vault, but he hasn't really shown to be a true WR1. His ceiling may not be that much higher. And yet, the same people get all stingy when it comes to Samuel, who is the better route runner.

I'm not sure that Moore can thrive as the sole focal point of an offense. He is a great contested catch receiver (those 50/50 balls I referenced in an earlier post), and is a YAC generator, but his route running still leaves something to be desired. And, to be blount, he still hasn't shown any superiority against man coverage, and as such his route tree is more limited than that of a true number one receiver. He'still limited. You can only talk "potential" for so long when a guy is showing marginal improvement at best. He should have made greater strides. On an off note, for Samuel to be a "utility player", he certainly produced a lot of meaningful production.

In my opinion, you're underselling Samuel and overselling Moore.

I'm not saying that you're wrong, but Samuel can legitimately play RB. That was his natural position coming out of college. Can you say the same for these guys? Samuel is a nice route runner as well.

Samuel played under the same QBs. Questionable QB play and less than optimal circumstances affects more than a few WRs.

I can tell you, on my part, Moore doesn't get the default superiority card simply because he was the first rounder. He has to earn it.

You're full of it, but you know that already. Preseason can't be equated to a regular season. Just stop!

I don't know if Moore is that much better than Samuel. I think Moore may have higher upside, maybe, but I'm not sure. Moore may be the more natural hands-cather, which may be a fairly big deal for a receiver. But he's left some on the turf also. But, then again, Samuel has seemed to improve more than Moore relatively. And that's a fairly big deal considering that Curtis was basically an RB coming out of college. YAC is a specialty of Moore, but Samuel is no slouch. Moore is likely stronger and able to win those 50/50 balls better. Samuel is probably the better route runner and likely has more juke than Moore. I guess what I'm saying is that it's not as clear-cut as people make it out to be. Samuel has arguably overperfomed expectations based upon limited snaps--he's certainly made the biggest leap--while Moore has been pretty much the same.

Preseason and 2017 doesn't refute what I said. Stop making poo up! You're simply wrong. That's the bottom line. Get your facts straight before offering them.

According to what I've reaf, Stafford had made 226 mil, but anyway... You just want to keep him in his place. Not going to happen!

False? He sat out 2018. Don't make poo up!

Yes, we all want to keep Curtis Samuel, but some of us are willing to pay him! Apparently, that includes Tim Weaver of USA Today's Panthers Wire. He includes Samuel's catch rate of nearly 80 percent among those with 77 or more catches. He also includes this PFF tweet as more evidence: I mean, some say Samuel is a luxury that we either can't or won't be able to afford. Some have suggested that we're holding him back. I don't know. It certainly seems like Rhule (via Brady) has been more adept at putting Samuel into situations to succeed, and, honestly, Samuel has done his thing very notably. Moreover, Rhule covets versatility, and Samuel is legitimately versatile. And, like Weaver said in so many words, Samuel hasn't nearly reached his ceiling. Some might be understating his value a bit. With all of these rumors floating around about CMC, do we really want to let Samuel get away without much of a fight? He's obviously more special than many were giving him credit for last offseason. And, he may not be able to be as easily replaced as some have intimated due to his versatility. Weaver thinks we should make a way, especially with our new found cap space. "After releasing Kawann Short yesterday, the Panthers have around $20 million in salary cap room for the year. Hopefully a chunk of that is reserved for a Curtis Samuel extension." I'm somewhat on the fence, but I'm willing to dig a little deeper into the pockets as long as he doesn't bust the bank. Sure would be nice to have him for another two or three years to see what he can really become... https://pantherswire.usatoday.com/2021/02/17/panthers-curtis-samuel-forced-missed-tackles-leader/

I think that "love" is meant for first rounders, and "like" for second rounders (maybe even third rounders).

I don't know about click bait. Maybe on Panthers Wire's part. But, either Rodrigue said it or she didn't. Who knows why she didn't mention Lance? There may not be the interest--which he is more raw--or maybe it is deception on someone's part up stream.

You can do it as long as you have them--let's say via trade (which is why Miami and the Jets could do it because they each have 2 first round picks this year)--but you can't go more than three years into the future.

Oh, now we're talking about NFL standards and not in reference to most people on the earth? OK... Bringing up Stafford's earnings in comparison to Watson's bespeaks of disingenuousness. Watson hasn't even had the opportunity to earn big money yet because he's essentially been on his rookie contract. Moreover, Stafford came into the league at a time when the rookie wage scale did not exist. It's eating you up to know that Watson is going to get paid, regardless! Furthermore, I'd bet that after all is said and done, if he stays healthy, Watson will eclipse Stafford's earnings after all is said and done. Deal with it!

He sat out one season. What are you talking about? If you think this is an apples to apples comparison, you are the only one.

The Steelers ultimately let him walk without tagging him, evrn though they had the option of doing so. Also, apples to oranges!

Blah blah blah. Watson is going to end up somewhere else, and he's going to get paid whether you like it or not! $24 mil is not poor by the longest of longshots.

It is true! Show me one former player who ended up playing out his contract, much less a QB. They ALWAYS end up somewhere else after a season at most! The sit-out is part of the process. You should know that!

According to Google, Deshaun Watson's net worth is 24 mil! I mean, I know he wants as much as he can get (like anyone), but that's "F.U. money" too! Pardon my candidness, but as a man who believes in principles, do you think I'd be pressed to work for a lying, white, racist motherfuger if I was a multimillionaire? I don't think so, and I'd make it very hard for the old sumbitch in more ways than one!

Everyone here is considering all possible outcomes. Leveon Bell is an RB. A QB is a totally different animal! And, the fact is is that Leveon Bell ultimately got his wish in some form of fashion, and the Steelers looked real sketchy without him (and still do, really). They tried replacing him and have yet to be successful. RBs are relatively easy to be replaced, but not so much a franchise QB who will ultimately end up playing somewhere else if that's what he's committed to doing.