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Torque comes from the lower body. Little bit of upper body strength is going to help when he’s off platform but more often than not you wanna throw from a set base, that’s where your energy is coming from. Give him a clean pocket and a developed comfort level behind it and he’ll be fine, as he always as. 

there’s nothing about this that doesn’t translate 

a road divisional game to start the season and two road divisional games to conclude it lol

i like the nfl aggressively pushes for the desired outcomes with zero shame 

3 hours ago, Jackie Lee said:

Here's what you get when you try to skimp at center. Cadence is a huge deal and you can't learn it mid game. That's why they clap in college ball

 

they aren’t learning it mid game

you can teach a child to snap a football mid-game and be fine, it’s wild that there are people who are breaking down over them “having to learn it”

25 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

We need guys to play due to the roster we have. It's not good, that is for sure. I don't like project guys in the top 3 rounds. Never have and never will.

I am not assuming, I just don't believe he is a guy that ia going to be ready to contribute outside of maybe special teams. That's not a third round value, IMO. As I said earlier, high ceiling, incredibly low floor. 

in the 3rd round you’re almost universally getting high floor low ceiling or high ceiling floor types. I wouldn’t have minded a low impact position where one of the top guys was still on the board, but some would argue that’s exactly what off ball LB is and to that end it seems like a lot of the evaluations sites had him a top 3 or 4 off ball guy in this class

i mean it’s not the e most enthralled I’ve ever been with a pick but I’ll wait and see where it goes before lambasting it

11 minutes ago, Tr3ach said:

In college he never got quick seperation.  Im not sure I could expect it to happen in the NFL.

well I haven’t seen the analytics but he sure looked like he was getting separation as South Carolina used him effectively underneath. 
 

separation means different things at different levels of the field and the closer you are to the line of scrimmage the less difficult it is to do. Canales has already talked about all this but even prior to that it was obvious form his skill set that he was going to be running jets, drags, overs, slants, quick outs. These aren’t master class routes  and most of the time they’re done with run concepts anyways to get the ball out quick and get your best ball carrier moving down field clean.

Leggette has been billed by this board elsewhere as the vertical field stretcher who high points the ball down field and whereas he’s certainly demonstrated that as a tool I don’t think it’s going to be where they work him in as he develops. They’ll throw him the ball down field a few times to keep the defense on their literal toes but I imagine they’ll probably use him more as a weapon nearer to the line of scrimmage earlier while he develops his intermediate game. 

“Guys we’ve been bad, how could you possibly argue we’ve needed more quality long snapper play?

see how the argument doesn’t work 

6 minutes ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

It has nothing to do with bust rate. We watched Ryan Kalil excel at the position until his neck injury. What a good center does for his linemates and QB often goes unrecognized. FA centers are not so easy to get. If it was such an easy thing to do, we wouldn't have been struggling for going on a decade without a solid one. 

wait you believe the panthers have been bad because of mediocre center play?

seems like you’re making my broader point about overvaluing the impact the position has 

11 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Day one rotational players were available at 72. Instead we took a guy that likely needs a lot of work to see the field. Not a gamble I personally would have taken. 

he will be used rotationally if that’s the only standard you’re after and saying “likely needs a lot of work” kind of just feels like you’re assuming a broader point rather than evaluating the player 

8 minutes ago, Tr3ach said:

My question is why draft legette of all the receivers for a quick passing game?

because that’s likely how he’s going to be utilized early on until he develops his intermediate game 

8 minutes ago, SOJA said:

lmao seriously, just look at contract values right now. WR has turned into one of the most important positions in the league 

6 minutes ago, SOJA said:

Corey Lindsey is currently the most expensive center in the NFL at 12.5m per year that would equal the.....

approximately the 27th most expensive WR in the league LMAO

the point here is that you can buy quality center player for next to nothing and get veterans in the process 

but I don’t think people want veterans, I don’t even really think they’re in love with the players

i think a lot of people just love the idea of taking centers, either because they’re an easy to project position that probably has a low bust rate and the thought of a bust terrifies a lot of people, or people just like the idea of drafting a center high because it’s tough and huzzah and build those trenches and that seems most “cool” by having big time pick investment 

“the panthers will continue to value WRs over centers”

yes welcome to the national football league 

both the jets and giants have been every bit as awful as us, how are those ELITE PLUG AND PLAY CENTERS doing for those franchises 

7 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

He just seems like another developmental guy drafted too high. Luxury type pick when we had a real need.

I too wish we would’ve taken that plug and play polished and ready mega talent at pick 72

19 hours ago, Memphis said:

I think Morgan got a little too cute with the trade down from 39 to 52. Then all of a sudden Powers-Johnson and Edgerrin Cooper went off the board back to back and they panic traded back up as their board was slimming down to grab Brooks.

 

I mean we heard the reports pre draft that brooks was their guy 

there’s nothing to indicate center was ever in play

Not a bad pick, intense, productive. Potential special teams value as well.

Really felt like will reichard was worth a selection 

feel like they’ve shopped for need a good bit here the past few rounds 

When do we pick again

4 minutes ago, raleigh-panther said:

Well….ill take you back to the Rhule years where RAS was all there was 

there are football players and there are test takers (physical and otherwise)

…but you know what doesn’t lie, tape.

 

I posted earlier with some data that this really isn’t true. They arguably could’ve used more athleticism. 

28 minutes ago, WUnderhill said:

I do wonder if we would have gone center had we stayed at 39. I feel like Morgan just got an offer he couldn’t refuse with that 2nd round pick being included.

they wouldn’t. 

I also found this. So the whole “RAS obsession” point is indeed a fan manufactured talking point. It may potentially veer up post Tepper but as noted above, the last two classes have not been demonstrative of that. 

There’s nothing to suggest the panthers fixate on high RAS score guys at a rate that’s abnormal, they finished middle of the pack last draft for average RAS score by team and whereas I cannot find the team by team average for the draft prior, the scores outside of Brandon smith and Amare barno-the two players people constantly use to prop this argument up-none of the players were anything other than “solid” and sometimes “average” athletically in that class

It seems far more likely that they are taking athletic but raw players in the 3rd and 4th round because those are the types of guys you typically find there, and that the rest of the league is doing the exact same thing 

8 minutes ago, rayzor said:

But the draftniks said he should be drafted later. LATER!!!!!!!

Lol

the weird thing is that most of these places have him pegged as a 3rd rounder

the crime is that we didn’t take a guy from their Alma mater 

take Brenden rice so we don’t have to watch him go to San Fran and have to listen to the niners media hype cycle 

so if we say “yes they did” I’m guessing you’re not gonna be like “okay I’ve reconsidered my position” huh