Growl

People are still evaluating QBs as if they are or are not “worth” a 1st round pick, when cost has become a huge consideration 

the broncos didn’t talk themselves into believing Bo nix was an elite prospect. They did come to the realization that a solid quarterback integrated into their offense, who is cost controlled is every bit as valuable as a defensive tackle they kinda like. In Payton’s case, he certainly believes he is qualified to maximize Nix

an insider with a comment made by an nfl executive said it best: there is no longer a middle class for QBs.

The idea that first round QBs should be transformative is an outsiders take, but cost comprises a huge part of value for teams and rookie contract QBs are highly valuable 

that isn’t to say teams are enslaved to the salary cap, they definitely aren’t and that’s been proven over and again, buts it’s these elements that make it so malleable. 
 

at least that’s a line of thinking prevalent in the league right now 

8 minutes ago, BrianS said:

So we totally misread the board again.  We are on the clock again in the third, and we are the only team to pick a RB, while passing on other great players in positions of need.  So Panthers.

by all accounts this is an interpretation issue on your end 

Just now, mrcompletely11 said:

Lol

hey exposit on the plethora of reasons why an additional year of contract control for an expensive position “doesn’t move the needle”

you seemed to have forgotten when all those people told you to stop pouting like a little girl earlier 

also the more I think about it the more the “but rbs aren’t valuable” argument is moot because the center obsessed people wouldve absolutely still complained had they taken a CB 

5 minutes ago, MrBubba said:

No offense, but this team has tried to replace Kalil for years with no success.  Second the most interchangeable position in the NFL, which bargains can be found everywhere is the running back.  

your perspective is that the panthers haven’t been able to replace Ryan kalil because they haven’t added a long term player

but it’s not important to have a long term player at center 

the capability of the center has fluctuated depending on whom they have chosen to line up, his relative health, the scheme fit. But at no point have they needed tenure there. They need to make the right decision in free agency. Do that correctly and it is it no value if there’s a new face there every season. 

2 minutes ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

My point is if you wa t BY to have a chance and you want to solidfy your offensive line into a dominant group, picking the strongest center in the draft when its a glaring area of need is a simple choice.

RB is the least valued position for a reason. Late round picks and UDFAs are becoming 1000 yard rushers.  You don't need to spend a 2nd round pick on a guy who's never going to play past 30 or see a 2nd contract. Teams let overpaid RBs walk for a reason and draft new ones. It's the throw away position in the NFL. 

RB isn’t the least valued position. Center is. That’s what makes the point so hilarious. The further point is that you don’t need to draft centers high to “protect Bryce young,” I actually spoke to that point in my last post to you.

your concern is BUILDING THOSE HOG MOLLIES with big time investments that you can be proud of, but it’s a waste of money, a waste of draft capital, a wasted opportunity to get players who can add to your win total. ELITE ALL PRO CENTERS aren’t adding to your win total versus the good center you bought in free agency at a much more reasonable price than what you would’ve paid at every other position 

RBs are valuable as drafted prospects in this spot BECAUSE they generally don’t get second contracts while still adding a player who can change the make up of your football team  

Just now, SmokinwithWilly said:

Choose between Ryan Kalil vs Matt Paradis. 

Paradis right. Because center makes no difference. 

there’s the issue, this isn’t the way the draft works. 
your approach is confined to “well I just wanna get a good player bro”

but that’s not the way teams draft.

you have to deploy assets relative to value. Quality center play can be bought for cheap at anytime. You can’t just go out and buy high end touchdown scorers or quarterback sackers without making a massive investment-except for the draft. Setting a pick on fire to take a center (and then probably having to overpay him in his second contract because of pedigree) may make fans feel good because they don’t have to worry about getting a BUST but you’re not building a sustained championship caliber roster that way. 

1 minute ago, CPantherKing said:

Remember this...

we could of had Pearsall & Jenkins

lol no we couldn’t of 

the rage people have that we didn’t set a pick on fire by taking a center is hilarious

draft guys who can change the way teams have to play you, draft guys who can intimidate defenses

nobody cares who you have lined up at center 

I’m as anti trade down as anyone but the board so far is falling pretty well. We’ll see how it goes. 
 

Just now, RJK said:

A 2nd round RB immediately craters the value of thus draft. Good teams don’t take RBs high unless they’re already stacked…and the panthers aren’t.

52?

5th this season and a 2nd next season 

*……did we move back to justify taking sainristil…*

why does every pick have to be this stupid 

1 minute ago, CPantherKing said:

That target better start & beat out Mingo & TMJ in camp

this is moving the goal posts and sounds more like you’re leaning on your pointless evaluations that we don’t here care about

hes a rookie and will be afforded the opportunity to develop like all rookies and the only mature take to that is a bit of patience 

Just now, panfanman said:

With that pick, why the hell did Bills trade out of the 1st and give up the 5th year option?  They didn't even really get anything out of that trade.

you move down one pick, slide up a bit later in the draft and still get the guy you like.

Peter schrager has reported there was a big competition to move up into the late first. Panthers moved up to secure their target versus other teams, bills improve their draft position. 

Just now, CPantherKing said:

Bills played Morgan

literally no one thinks the pick swap had anything to do with buffalo lol what are you talking about 

That’s a huge surprise, I really thought he’d tumble a bit. Every analytical chart I’ve seen on him never painted a good portrait. Got talent though. Paris pretty well with Allen. 

25 minutes ago, XClown1986 said:

Panicking? If the Bills wanted Legette, they wouldn't have traded. They gave us a call as a courtesy to ask if we wanted the 5th year option for Legette, and we struck a deal. This was a business decision. Pure and simple.

Bills knew they could get their guy either way. They asked us to compensate them for the 5th year option. Makes sense.

eh, there’s some truth to this but collecting the reports we’ve seen, it’s likely the bills swapped with us because New England was trying to move up-probably for Leggette, given our known interest in him and some of the comments from Belichick.

by swapping with us buffalo sticks it to a division rival, still gets the guy they want, probably Mitchell, and gets a little bit of icing by moving up a bit into round 5.

27 minutes ago, Ricky Spanish said:

I can understand not wanting Legette, but I really don't understand people shitting on the move to get back into the 1st to draft him.

Replace Legette with whatever WR you preferred, the move makes sense with the enormous contracts WRs are getting these days. The extra year of discounted play and contract control is worth it for a WR, not a center though.

So I really don't care that they could have had him today, we didn't surrender any future picks, we didn't lose any picks, we swapped our 2nd for their 1st and our 5th for their 6th. We moved up in a more important round, and down in a less important round.

32nd pick is getting a roughly 12 million dollar contract and control for 5 years.

33rd pick gets roughly 10 million and control for 4 years.

Monetarily, it makes sense and the logic of doing it is sound.

as I mentioned earlier, you’re also ideally hoping that Young and Leggette and pick 39 all manifest into second contract players. Without the option on Leggette, all three of those guys would need those contracts in the same offseason, which is a huge ask. 

15 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

thats easy, you could literally get the same guy at 33 and you can field calls for a potential deal.  The 5th year option doesnt move the needle for a variety of reasons and we gave up almost 2 rounds worth with the pick flip

exposit the reasons why it “doesn’t move the needle” 

13 minutes ago, csx said:

I was surprised at how overwhelmingly the pick was considered a good one. 

It's really just like 5 people here shitting on it.

I wasn't a big fan of it but I'm not going to repeat myself over and over like the few.

the crowd that makes absolutely everything related to Bryce young and implodes over it every time literally anything happens has made this place an anti intellectual black hole 

I think I expect edgerrin cooper but also wouldn’t be surprised at a tight end, which will make people freak out, but sinnot is one of those guys every fanbase thinks they’ve discovered as a round 3 gem and is thus potentially going to go a lot higher than expected. Both of those guys got top 30 visits. They’ve done absolutely nothing to bolster tight end all offseason despite aggression elsewhere. 

corner has obviously gotten a lot of smoke as well. 

16 minutes ago, Jackie Lee said:

I believe that's what they told Darnold as well...

it’s what you tell every QB because it’s generic coach speak that doesn’t mean anything

3 minutes ago, Tr3ach said:

I am.  You cant say he got better every year when he did nothing at all and put up stats his 5th.  Thats not getting better nor a trend.  We will have to see if he got better or if he was just a grown man playing against kids.

“he put up stats” 

oh the humanity