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6 hours ago, Ricky Spanish said:

Worthy is a solid route runner and doesn't play as fast as his 40 time (not that he plays slow, just not THAT fast). His slight frame means when DBs get hands on him he is re-routed quite often, and he is not good against press man like some of the other leaner fast guys the past few drafts (Tank Dell, Flowers, Davonte Smith, Josh Downs). He doesn't play bigger than his frame, he plays as big as he is.

nobody plays as fast as their 40 time, but that’s not the point. He’s bendy and explosive pre and post catch and is always the most explosive guy on the field. He’s held up and done it consistently over three seasons.

im not getting locked into this idea of needing to find a traditional X player, especially since we’re not picking in the 1st round. If he struggles against press, then motion him and line him up off. It’s not uncharted territory

he has rare attributes that good offensive coordinators dream about. That’s hard to get in the second round and I’d much rather do that than hoping some of these other guys-all of them with their own set of flaws-to an increasing degree the further down the board you go-put it together.

26 minutes ago, Jaxel said:

I mean, Worthy is praised quite a bit for his technical soundness and route running ability. It's his size that people worry about.

 

SCOUTING REPORT: STRENGTHS

• Worthy is a natural playmaker, at his best with the ball in his hands. If you give even a little cushion he's going to beat you. Not just a deep threat he's a nightmare to defend on slants
• Fluid athlete with an elite explosive burst and speed to stretch the field and breeze past defenders. Has a quick first step and gets to top speed in a hurry.
• His speed is simply elite - He ran multiple 100-meter dash times between 10.5 and 10.65 seconds while in high school. He also repeatably ran sub-4.5 second 40-yard dash times as a freshman in high school.
• He plays with smoothness and balance, and Worthy shows a knack for setting up defensive backs
• Has impressive position versatility - surprisingly he has demonstrated he's able to line up consistently outside as well as dominate from the slot. Has also been used a punt returner
• He’s very good working outside the numbers, showing excellent ball-tracking skills, and he does the little things well downfield, including leaving enough room on the sideline for his quarterback to drop in a throw. He's demonstrated he's much faster now
• An impressively skilled route runner. Shows excellent discipline and makes sharp cuts
• Worthy has reliable hands and despite his size shows the willingness to make catches in traffic over the middle.

 

SCOUTING REPORT: WEAKNESSES

• He’ll have to develop a better feel for sitting down against zone coverage.
• NFL defenders will be able to knock him off his route because of his slight frame. It also presents a major injury risk and unless he gets significantly bigger will only be viewed as a role player in the pros. This is partially explanation for this is him being used as more of a deep threat
• Suffered a drop-off in production in 2022 after an amazing freshman campaign. Despite having 10 more passes thrown his way he ended up with 220 fewer yards and 4 fewer TDs over the course of the season
• Doesn't have the size to consistently win on the outside, but can be productive working the middle of the field and as a return man.

 

If Dionte is your X outside receiver, seems like he would be a good compliment to that.

you’ve got to understand that for most posters the evaluation is as simple as “broke the 40 record? So he’s John Ross huh no thanks” 

Probably my favorite of any mock I’ve seen, wonder if there’s any sourcing or if he’s just saying what he’d do 

14 minutes ago, rayzor said:

one thing to consider, though, is that there are going to be more good WRs coming out in the draft next year and we'll keep seeing good ones. 

including this guy....

 

 

 

he didn’t do anything this past season and I don’t care I still want him on the team 

if we came away with both the Xaviers I’d be pretty pleased but I don’t really think they’re considering it 

literally every team that’s debuted a new uniform this offseason has offered up rock solid evidence for why they should stay with what they’ve had

draft a second round receiver or dont bother.

this team has enough of these softball lob type players at the position

make a meaningful investment there or just go into the season with what you have and draft guys where you can still get starter potential positions in the 3rd

9 hours ago, Navy_football said:

Maybe...

Zay ran in the 4.4s at 5'9" and a buck nothing.

Quentin ran in the 4.5s.

Jordan barely broke 4.5s at 4.49.

I just don't think they'd be that high this season. But I could be wrong. 

 

these are just 40 times?

maybe I’m misunderstanding what you’re saying.

All those players were better prospects than the players you listed.

but where are the videos?!

2 minutes ago, Navy_football said:

I guess that's subjective. But where do you think Zay Flowers, Quentin Johnson, and Jordan Addison would be drafted in 2024? They were drafted in the 1st round in 2023. I think a guy like Ricky Pearsall would jump all of them and he's projected as a mid 2nd rounder this year. I think guys like Corley, Worthy, Malik Washington and Jalen McMillan would compete with them in the first last year, but they're fringe 2nd rounders, mostly 3rd round targets this draft. 

Recency bias, all of those latter guys would go behind the first rounders. Pearsall played the majority of his snaps from the slot. 

4 minutes ago, Navy_football said:

But that's just the thing. This draft is so deep at WR, that a few guys that would have been 1st rounders in previous drafts, will be available in the 2nd and early 3rd round. Now, which WR they choose... well Panthers have been known to pick the wrong WRs in the 2nd round. They love themselves some TE type wideouts that can't create separation. 

there’s not going to be any “1st round talents” sitting around in the 3rd and there’s a substantial drop off from the second level to the third

Lot of guys being overvalued by the outside world 

1 minute ago, chknwing said:

it can hurt him if teams pass on him because he has loose lips

it’s football not the marshal service, players say things like this every draft season 

2 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

Why? What’s the worst that could happen? Someone takes him in the first to stop us from getting him and he makes more money?? 

there’s this angle as well, saying something like this has no downside for him and could yield real benefits, but you’re not going to convince people whose in depth draft evaluations have already made decisions 

Just now, chknwing said:

or an idiot.  If he doesnt have the smarts to understand he cant say such things before the draft, what team secrets would he blurt out if drafted.

we’re questioning his intelligence now lol? 

people get so emotionally invested in these draft picks and if they don’t like the prospect things get weirdly personal

players say things like this every season

its normal 

you seldom need “immediate contributors” in the draft and when you do you’re much further along in a build than this team is 

that’s not why the draft exists 

On 4/18/2024 at 9:11 AM, frankw said:

You cite unnamed "outside sources" and then accuse others of peddling conspiracy theories simply for suggesting maybe we wait until the man himself speaks. Which he will.

Try taking your own advice bud.

unnamed sources lol

why you are sitting on this forum each day obsessively mashing the refresh button if you aren’t giving any credence to any of the prominent insiders that make this forum go? We’ve seen you do it.

lets go ahead and mark this post as a delineation point in which you no longer comment on anything that any of the local best reporters have to say, if only so we do not have to endure you pretending to filter out what you want to believe from what you do not want to believe as anything approaching an objective standard 

Frank Reich wanted Bryce young. That’s backed by the only credible reporting we’ve gotten on the matter. Unnamed sources are now insider journalism works. If you want to masquerade in the fairy tale of your confirmation bias you’re welcome to but you’re going to get challenged on it when you try to spread the misinformation publicly 

2 minutes ago, frankw said:

No one currently associated with the Panthers is going to suggest that the decision to draft Young was anything other than a totally unified decision. We've only heard from David Tepper and Scott Fitterer on that. Nothing from Reich. Nothing from McCown. Nothing from Brown.

It's all speculation until they begin speaking. Which will happen years from now probably.

Until then let's not act as if it's a settled matter. Because it isn't.

we’ve heard pretty definitively from outside sources with insider access that Frank Reich was a primary battery behind selecting young

your can stick your fingers in your ears and ignore that and peddle conspiracy theories on here but until the individual in question has legitimate counter sourcing then it’s just conspiracy whining to be ignored

9 hours ago, Gapanthersfan said:

I really think this is where the crux of everything lies. Frank and co had no clue what to draw up once Young was the pick. He’s been around long enough to know a coach killer when he sees one. He knew it was a ship destined to sink. He saw how the skill set of the line players didn’t match the scheme. Same thing with receivers. He saw how 0.0% of the Bryce hype was actually true.

He couldn’t wait to get fired, and used the weekly decapitation attempts on Bryce as leverage for Tepper to finally do so. Hell, he probably bought Ickey a G wagon as a show of appreciation. 

Reich had no clue how to draw an offense up for a QB he wanted to draft? 
 

this is a pretty terrible post

1 hour ago, MHS831 said:

It bothers me that we have no LBs on this list---we have NO Depth there.  IMO, we take a RB here when would should be drafting a LB.  But with so many needs, it is difficult to cover all bases.

so here’s the league model: build a veteran offense and once that’s ready to go and is eating your money you get a bunch of first contract guys on defense

theres a reason they signed a bunch of veterans on defense this offseason-because once this team is presumably ready to go all in over the next season or two-you can field a competitive team with a well paid offense and cheap athletic rookies who can fly all over the field on defense.

anyways the point is that you’ve got to go offense heavy this draft. I’m not worried about defense in this draft. Maybe one guy in the first four picks. 
 

Edit: obviously these guys would receive rookie contracts now but would be much closer to reupping in the process overall a couple seasons from now. The big money will likely be thrown at offensive guys in free agency as you saw this past FA period. 

On 4/14/2024 at 7:46 PM, csx said:

Good receivers are good receivers. I think too much is being made out of some special recipe for Young. 

it doesn’t even really make sense, Young made heavy use of an explosive vertical threat at Alabama and having one on the field loosens things underneath.

is this meant to be a joke about how the panthers always get plundered in trades?

dropping 16 spots for some developmental piece is laughable 

1 hour ago, Hoenheim said:

Not a big fan of any of these pairings

I find it interesting that a lot of places have us taking WR and CB instead of WR and Center

 

It’s better value at a more significant position at a position of need in a good range that will have guys available who got pushed down 

20 hours ago, rayzor said:

he's a tough sell for me. the only thing he does incredibly well (compared to the other guys we are looking at) is run fast and a lot of the reason he does is because he's only about 80lbs dripping wet. seriously he's 5'11 and weights 165 lbs. of course he's going to be fast. i don't know that he gets more separation than some of the others and he definitely isn't going to be able to muscle down the contested catches. straight line speed is good, but not sure if it's the best fit for the QB we've got. Just some other WRs that i think bring more to the table.

that said, if he's the pick...

he’s explosive out of his breaks, he has a skill set you don’t typically get your hands on in the second round, he uses his head to sell fakes, he has explosiveness to create lots of separation after a misstep.

were in the second round, all these guys have knocks against him but he has first round value and offers a tool that you don’t typically find in the second. Getting a Jaylen waddle type dynamo for the QB who played with him. 

6 minutes ago, The Natural said:

There's no way at this moment I would consider Ickey "really good". Even in his rookie season he struggled mightily in pass protection. 

I’m not really sure where the “he was so great as a rookie” narrative came from. 
 

If cj Henderson didn’t exist he would’ve been the goat of that second Tampa game in which he had a number of key whiffs. 
 

obviously as a rookie you overlook it but then he was horrid last season.

Hes physically talented and the option always exists to kick him inside (or does it?) but I have concerns. He was a key conduit for how bad the line and the offense was last season.

I’m starting to gravitate to Worthy a bit.