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2 minutes ago, Jackie Lee said:

 

ah yes, the ole “equivalent value” we were sold when they gave the OPOY away to another big market franchise for the media to coo and squeal over 

They’re not parting with their 1st so there’s no real reason to negotiate with the giants. 

he has to be close to some kind of record for most head coaches played with for one team 

13 hours ago, Growl said:

I think we’ve all seen firsthand that trading a good player for a 2/3/4 isn’t really worth the compensation 

could you imagine the shot of life that a player like mccaffery could’ve been to a rookie QB with a porous offensive line could have been 

i recall at a lot of points especially prior to the reich firing that we didn’t even deploy a back as a check down option 

some stooge for some big market team thought he was about to plunder the dumb little market team with the stupid owner for a great player and he’d get lots of butt pats for it and when he realized it wasn’t going to happen he got mad, these guys always feel like they’re entitled to players on bad teams and throw a fit when it doesn’t happen

“adapt to present circumstances”

the circumstances: Burns nets a first plus or we just simply elect to keep a good player at a premium position. Pay the asking price. 

3 hours ago, Leaky_Faucet said:

I would guess a pairs of 2s (2024/2025) or some combination of 2s, 3s, 4s over the next two years.

I think we’ve all seen firsthand that trading a good player for a 2/3/4 isn’t really worth the compensation 

If this isn’t the kind of player you “break the bank” for then who is?

were discussing under the pretense of a player swap including burns anyways.

Hall of honor time

5 minutes ago, t96 said:

no they weren't, most were disappointed we didn't get a 1st & more

No that was just me spamming threads with my disappointment, a very large portion of the people here were thrilled 

6 minutes ago, frankw said:

You barreled into the thread just to dunk on your own team on behalf of a 5 time champion now you don't know what's being talked about?

Clearly I was making fun of you not the team 

1 minute ago, frankw said:

I think you mean McCaffrey.

You going to buy a McCaffrey jersey if they win their 6th Lombardi Trophy?

what are you even talking about 

People here were so jacked they got some mid round picks for mccaffery

3 hours ago, CRA said:

I'm still not willing to buy in on a reporters word of having it all figured out.   And I don't doubt that Frank was singing the company line at the end of it.   I think in the end, everyone was universally backing the pick once the decision was made.  Other reporting details the there was a clear in house split on it.   And I don't think any voices that weren't big voices would have been reported on in references to a split. 

Same time the Panthers were debating, a lot of Frank world people were talking about how CJ was the Frank Reich prototype and ideal QB. 

you don’t have to buy it but it’s absolutely the most objective narrative and the only counter argument is “but you’ve gotta understand that Matt Ryan is tall”

the team told the story of how the decision made in the middle of the honey moon phase, Fowler corroborates what they told us here

frank reich wanted Bryce young 

2 hours ago, CRA said:

I think Reich took the job and nothing but Ls from Tepper and gave up.  Think he realized quick he had no actual control and power and phoned it all in.  

He didn’t get the QB he wanted.  Got to wonder about other players and coaches too.  And he had weekly Tepper talks he clearly didn’t enjoy that were probably discussions influenced by Tepper moles all over his staff. 

https://www.reddit.com/r/panthers/comments/19essl4/scott_fowler_i_will_tell_you_that_frank_reich_was/

2 hours ago, csx said:

He needs a lot for a #1 pick. He was supposed to make those around him better.

I think this is the biggest issue here in the evaluation of Bryce, people think “what we gave up for him!!!!” is a relevant part of the evaluation process

the only way at all that has anything to contribute to the discussion is the dearth of resources to support the young QB

rookie QBs aren’t expected to immediately “elevate the franchise!” just because fans dread being bored during draft season

3 minutes ago, AceBoogie said:

We literally have the worst coach in the league. Stop. 

Can you break down why you feel Canales’ offensive tendencies aren’t effective, why you feel he’s a poor communicator, his eye for talent, etc so that we might better understand 

8 hours ago, mav1234 said:

We thought we did pretty well last year, so let's see...

Did we?

we liked the staff, nobody liked the HC hire, felt a whole lot like the Dan Quinn hire 

When you draft a QB you’re going to put the infrastructure in place to allow him to develop. There may be a show me the baby component with the fan base who dismiss poor offensive line play, a lack of explosiveness at the skill positions, an antiquated offense that doesn’t cater to the player’s skill set, but providing these things isn’t “doubling down” it’s singling down.

And as always, the boom or bust nature of rookie qbs is part of the appeal.

if Young doesn’t develop over the next season or two, the panthers will be in a prime position to draft another QB high instead of returning to qb purgatory with the veteran band aids that perpetually tantalize everyone here so much. 

my concern is that Tepper loves the Seahawks and is tantalized by the idea of stacking a bunch of Seahawks background guys together (especially after the lack of uniformity in the last bloc was considered a primary contributor to it’s failure.)

why would Tepper love the Seahawks? The “forward thinking” grandstanding they’re known for. Scott Fitterer muttering something in his interview about Microsoft was part of the reason he got hired.

seattle fluked into a great coach and a great QB and they dragged a lot of stupid drafting and dumb trades along with them for the duration of their stint there but to an outsider it looks like “wow what a well ran team.” 

13 minutes ago, Samppson said:

Yeah I like Canales as well, probably not my first choice, I'd really like to make a run at Mike MacDonald if the Ben Johnson campaign doesn't work. I have a feeling that Tepper is aiming to really go all out for him, it makes no sense how quiet we are on the second interview fronts when he's pined over him for two years. I feel like if they lose Sunday, he may be waiting in SF with a stack of cash lol.

I like Slowik’s San Fran connections and I like that McDonald is ravens ecosystem material along with having a cup of coffee with Harbaugh, but I’d need to see his offensive vision and connections and they need to be really good. I do feel like McDonald probably has the highest floor but the stat about every single team in the league switching OCs going back to the start of last season is absolutely outrageous. You have to have some offensive continuity and you have to have a strong offensive mind.

with the Morgan hiring I honestly don’t really like the idea of Canales. I don’t really respect Seattle organizationally and there’s way too much seahawk ethos in that bloc.

that said you can’t evaluate guys simply on the basis of where they cut their teeth, if you did then Morgan wouldn’t have a job here and Canales does provide a track record of success in the passing game so I would definitely support the hiring but I feel like with Slowik you’re getting that plus a healthy outside viewpoint from a successful coaching tree.

I’d like to start hearing names for the staffs these guys would assemble. I get the Canales appeal but I feel like you’re hiring him, not really sure about the connections he’s built on back of his specific resume’.

Standing up to Tepper!! isn’t really a coveted ideal of a GM it’s just something that makes the fans feel good

Guys! Dan Morgan took a promotion and a pay raise to come HERE! Can you really trust HIS decision making?!?!

3 minutes ago, 4Corners said:

Hiring Dan Morgan suggests otherwise. To be fair though I don’t think anyone knows wtf they are doing and Morgan has to nail this 

these decisions aren’t made in a vacuum, nobody ever goes into this process thinking something as bland and simple as “oh man we’ve got to get all new names because wow we’re all so mad.”

these guys are evaluated as individuals and how their respective strengths can bind a new philosophical core, it will be extremely shocking if that new core is all in house. The GM being an in house name suggests the coach won’t be. 

Think this probably rules out Evero, they definitely want some new blood.