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@MHS831 yeah definitely. He has charisma and he wasn’t baited by any questions about Brock the top tight end taking all the publicity. 

8 hours ago, FatChad said:

I think as an owner he is allowed to critique and get explanations for play calling post-game.  If anything, I'm glad he is interested in learning more about the game.  I'm sure most if not all owners do this.  

 Trying to gather an understanding why you feel this is helpful. What would be the purpose of this since his football acumen has shown to be much lower than his business acumen? 

3 hours ago, rayzor said:

Most of the OL, but especially center and OT you do what you can to keep. unless they get way too expensive or they just aren't performing well, you aren't going to let them go. we've been trying to address it in FA and we just aren't going to be able to do that well. 

we need to draft one. there's about 5 in this draft that i would feel really good about and another 4-5 that i think would be ok with. 

i mean there's some solid choices available with some decent experience even working in zone blocking schemes so they should be an easy fit. don't see why wouldn't be making it a priority.

i'm just hoping that it's just a matter of not wanting to tip their hat towards someone in particular. 

 

After what we went through last year maaaaaaaan I only want one of the top 3. I have trauma watching that turnstile from last year.

6 hours ago, MHS831 said:

me too.  I think we will go TE some how some way

I wonder how many of those edges were before Clowney signed. 

I like to look for patterns--some of these names are to show interest to players who might go undrafted.

Here is what I noticed--

• NO true Centers.  There are no signs that we might take a Center in the draft.  On this list, Haynes is listed as a C/G but he did not play C at UConn.  RG.
• The Morgan influence suggests that they might take an ILB "dawg" early.  Wilson and Cooper are mid second rounders at least--if not earlier.
• They are really doing homework on the WRs.  We have met with 8 of them.  Could we take 2?
• To me, it is scary that they have checked out Wiggins (CB Clemson).  175 lbs and not good in run support---we need our CBs to come up and contain.  He reminds me of Henderson.  Someone talk me out of it.
• I do not understand the lack of attention to the CB position.  Neither RIchardson nor Wiggins are good in run support, and Richardson is simply not a good CB considering his athleticism.  He is a fifth or sixth rounder imo. 
• Based on these lists, I would say WR and ILB in the second round.  TE maybe in the third.

 

 

Agree with everything in your assessment. I think Gilmore may still be in our future. Don’t forget we resigned Troy Hill who should start at nickel. He is really good at run support and he can help on the outside too.

5 hours ago, Ricky Spanish said:

SC Fans, why did he do literally nothing for 3 years then explode onto the scene his senior season?

I live in Columbia, SC. He was a dual threat QB coming out of high school that played receiver too. He was  rated as an athlete coming out of highschool so he had learning to do in terms of positional nuances. He didn’t convert completely to wideout until his sophomore year in college I believe. 

5 hours ago, GoobyPls said:

Problem is he was barely seeing the field before this year, that means he was getting outplayed by other WR for reps 

That’s not completely true. He was a dual threat QB that moved to wide receiver. He didn’t get outplayed, he never played the position before college. 

15 minutes ago, Krovvy said:

It wouldn't shock me if the Panthers took a corner at 33, which I'm all for depending on the board.

Yeah I agree,You almost have to take one with either one of those 2nd round picks or the 3rd round pick because we are light on corner now.

 This team is not attractive because of the meddling owner.  Carolina already had to deal with the small market but you look at the bumbled trades and the lack of patience shown not only for the Panthers but the soccer team too.  Soccer team made the playoffs and I believe Tepper still fired the coach. 

Smart coaches are going to do their research. I know money talks but getting fired and blamed for a football team’s downfall can ruin a career for an up and coming coach. This league will move on to the next shiny ornament.

I am interested to see who Tepper can convince to come here. I want Ben Johnson, but you guys know you wouldn’t come here if your life long dream is to lead a team to a Super Bowl. Moving  from city to city is part of the process, but no coach wants to move around every year unless it’s for a much better opportunity.

17 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I been screaming it for months, nice to see it being openly talked about by Commanders' opponents in recent weeks. 

Bieniemy has been straight trash as an OC.

Oops, forgot to past the link.

https://commanderswire.usatoday.com/2023/12/26/jets-linebacker-has-an-interesting-take-on-commanders-running-game-cj-mosley-chris-rodriguez-jacoby-brissett-sam-howell-eric-bieniemy/

Was that article supposed to be a trash indictment ? I have seen articles 3x worse about the Panthers this year with Frank Reich. 

I don’t want Bieniemy, but if he is straight trash, then I don’t want to guess what the Panthers have been this season. 

I think he is okay at best but not worth giving a head coach job. Mahomes and company are struggling at times this year with the best quarterback in the league. I saw a post above saying Bieniemy had nothing to do with KC last year, but everything to do with Washington. Thats a short sighted take. 

It’s amazing how we throw rocks from the bottom of the barrel.

1 hour ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

The fact that Tepper wants him scares me.

 

Everything he touches turns to shitt. I'm starting to lean towards Evero. At least we know what we have with him. Hire a good OC and it might be our best option.

 

 

 

 

It’s his influence. The meetings weekly and making coaches do it the Tepper way. You need to run more screens because I saw Sean Payton do it. 

 That’s the $hitt you are referencing…. He has to stop.

5 minutes ago, Mr Mojo Risin said:

It's alarming how bad Burns has been and all of the big plays that happen on his side of the field. He takes himself out of the play or gets blocked by a TE more times than I can count. Watch his plays from the 15 minute highlight they did of the game. $30 million for that?! I'd struggle with giving him $15 mill+ honestly.

I have been a Burns supporter and man it doesn’t look good at all. He looks average at best. He will never approach the 30 mill conversation again. 

1 hour ago, Loyalty4Life said:

I have been most impressed with the improvement of Cade Mays and the coaching staff changes since Frank left.

Coaches running that dumb zone blocking scheme with huge offensive lineman that didn’t fit.  I believe they changed the scheme back when Frank left. 

We never picked up a true 1-technique nose tackle after cutting McCall. I’m surprised the run defense wasn’t exposed more often this year. Nevertheless a 3-4 would work much better with a pro typical 335- 345 pound hog mollie that can take on a double team, without getting pushed around. 

If the reports about Evero staying are true I expect the new GM to help support the 3-4 conversion by bringing in another edge and a 3-4 nose tackle.

10 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

The biggest thing he can do to signal his accountability is to hire an outside agency to get us a new GM. Then let the GM hire the coach he chooses. Then let the coach hire the coaches he wants. 

That it. Just operate like a normal motherfuging NFL franchise.

Not a fuging George Steinbrenner run, Daniel Snyder fantasy football team.

Sadly as much as that makes sense we know it’s unlikely.

Validation that we were right about 60% of the decisions being Tepper’s. I’m sorry Fitterer co-signed this dumpster roster and made the free agent signings that haven’t worked out so he has to GO! Scott signed Von Bell and 2 defensive ends that haven’t made splash plays all year, while guys like Calais Campbell remain ageless, and will torment us for another year in 2024. Atlanta also signed the better safety from Cincinnati (Jesse Bates) while we use trickle down economics as our philosophy (Bell). 

How long has the Huddle pleaded for a ball hawking safety?  I mean, it makes sense to me. The league has moved to a passing league. Get someone that has a nose for the ball in the air!!

We were the only team to pay a running back when we had 2 backs that would have done the job admirably (Foreman & Chuba). Foreman would not have cost us 25 million to resign. 

13 hours ago, Toomers said:

You mean like When he had Reddick on the other side and got 9 sacks? Impressive. 

We struggled to stop the run that year, which in turn limited chances.  He also whiffed a lot in 20,21. It wasnt due to a lack of getting there. I guess I am still in the minority that hopes his  $$ number comes down, but hope we keep him. We need talent to win. I have no faith that Fitterer would turn those picks into talent if traded.

3 hours ago, Castavar said:

Hmm, let's see.....

Option 1 - Go to Chargers with an already established franchise QB and weapons with very good players on defense.

Option 2 - Bet your coaching career with a potential bust of a QB, no weapons, no draft picks, and a meddling owner.

That sure is a hard one.

Mods close the thread and pin this response lol. Nothing left to be said. 

15 hours ago, toldozer said:

Anyone can sell Tepper a bill of goods he's the most gullible billionaire out there.  I bet if I got a meeting with him I could convince him to give me a couple mil on some bullshit 

He just has a low sports IQ. His business acumen is impressive considering he wasn't handed millions like most billionaires. 

Teppers problem is he has the big head because he was able to make billions from buying undervalued stock . He thinks he’s the smartest man in the room, when he’s far from it, when it comes to team building, picking players, picking coaches.

I would be surprised if he played anything past pee wee soccer because he doesn't understand the importance of camaraderie or a coach that garners the respect of their players.

2 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I see a lot of people thinking it's an OL issue or it's an offensive skill position talent issue or it's a QB issue or it's a coaching/scheming issue or it's a talent evaluation issue.

The simple answer is "yes". The answer to all those questions is "yes" because the issue is that at the foundation, the Panthers are a poorly ran football organization.

Our schemes don't fit our talent. Aside from Bryce, we tend to draft high RAS prospects who need technique development, but when was the last time we actually developed a player? One of our big talent issues is that our draft picks tend to be as good as they're going to get the day we draft them. From then on they either plateau or regress. It's hard to develop talent in an environment of coaching revolving doors and constant schematic and football philosophy turmoil.

Our last coach openly talked about the weekly meetings with Tepper and how Tepper is a very involved owner before being fired. Tepper's influence on personnel decisions and meddling down to the level of individual play calls is widely rumored at this point.

Long story short is we have a David Tepper problem. He keeps thinking we're one knee jerk move away from being a contender and he seems utterly clueless that building a football organization and then a football team from within that organization is a process. There aren't any bandaid quick fixes in the NFL and as long as he's constantly searching for that we're going to continue to be an ever worsening poo show.

He keeps looking for that one thing that's going to turn everything around whether it's hiring a hot shot college staff or hiring a complete retread highly experienced NFL staff or trading up to #1 to get what he views as a super processor QB but he either can't or refuses to acknowledge that we aren't one thing away from being a good football ORGANIZATION. He's the problem and that's a BIG problem because an ownership issue is the one thing you can't fix. You can't fire the owner. Until he realizes that he has to focus first on building a quality football organization we're doomed and the first step to building that quality football organization is seeing himself out of it.

He needs to be honest with himself. David Tepper the owner would have already fired David Tepper the President of Football Operations which is essentially the role that he's filling. He has to recognize this reality and essentially fire himself from his current role and redefine his role within the organization because it's very obvious that this current approach hasn't worked, isn't working, and is unlikely to work in the future.

So David, if you or anyone with your ear reads this, please hire someone qualified that you trust to build you a football organization and give that person the space and freedom to do it.

This needs to be an open editorial in the Observer. 

48 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Dumb sh-t like this doesn't surprise me at all.

Mentioned in the other thread that during the previous go-round, he wanted an analytics based GM.

 

Right!! Sadly Tepper tries to say things that sound intelligent while the team continues to make head scratching decisions that don’t involve analytics. 
 

For example a 5’10 rookie quarterback excelling without a formidable receiving threat. Historically there have been very few quarterbacks that have excelled without a top 15 receiving talent. The only QB that comes to mind, without wasting time to look it up, would probably be Brady while in New England. 
 

I guess we could make the argument for Cam in 15’ 

4 hours ago, uncfan888 said:

Johnson said no last year and the situation is so much worse now. He isn't coming here for any amount of money

Yep a pointless discussion. 

8 hours ago, tukafan21 said:

Oh Bryce is absolutely a bust, he's already proven that he's never going to be elite, even with a better team around him, league average QB is his absolute peak potential, and that's if EVERYTHING goes perfectly right for him the rest of his career, which let's be real, seems a low probability anyways.  And I don't even think it's about giving him a 2nd season given the investment, it's that there isn't a logical way we can replace him after this season with a long term option.

If we had our 1st rounder, I'm taking a new QB and shipping Bryce out for literally anything anyone would offer up for him, but we don't and you're not going to get a sure thing at QB in the 2nd or 3rd round, even in a good QB class.  

Honestly, if we had a better team, I'd be fine just benching him and going with Dalton or a FA at QB next year, but starting Bryce is our worst option, which in turn means it's our best chance at being in position to draft his replacement in 2025 by starting him and losing.

Very well said. At best, Bryce will be a competent game manager. He doesn’t have any elite traits. You don’t win championships with league average game managers unless you have elite talent everywhere else around him. Bryce is smart but being smart doesn’t get the ball 40 yards downfield on a rope. Tepper and this front office are a joke. 

On 11/19/2023 at 8:35 PM, Panthercougar68 said:

I don’t think it would come to that honestly, Bryce isn’t being paid 250 million dollar contract and we aren’t financially tied to him like Russell Wilson.

Russel Wilson has 19 touchdowns with just 4 interceptions. Wilson leads the NFL with the best TD:INT ratio  That situation is no longer a black hole, or the worst in the league. This team right here is. 

3 hours ago, ncstatekwi said:

Fire GM…my two words summation!

You have too.  His hands are dirtier based on this sorry roster. While Frank is no savior if he had a decent roster I know he wouldn’t be the worst team in the league. Fire Fittz

Marshall was open on that 3rd down drive ending play